* Why does the oldstyle numerals switch, \os, also switch off m-dashes? @ 2011-11-30 1:19 Pavneet Arora 2011-11-30 6:30 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Pavneet Arora @ 2011-11-30 1:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 205 bytes --] I enclose a minimal example as well as the output. It would seem that the \os causes the m-dash to come out as three hyphens. Is this the expected behaviour? advTHANKSance. -- ----- - Pavneet Arora [-- Attachment #2: test.pdf --] [-- Type: application/pdf, Size: 8384 bytes --] [-- Attachment #3: test.tex --] [-- Type: text/x-tex, Size: 108 bytes --] \starttext 1234567890 A Pause---between yes and no. \os 1234567890 A Pause---between yes and no. \stoptext [-- Attachment #4: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Why does the oldstyle numerals switch, \os, also switch off m-dashes? 2011-11-30 1:19 Why does the oldstyle numerals switch, \os, also switch off m-dashes? Pavneet Arora @ 2011-11-30 6:30 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2011-11-30 12:28 ` Pavneet Arora 2011-11-30 19:19 ` Pavneet Arora 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2011-11-30 6:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pavneet_arora, mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 30.11.2011 um 02:19 schrieb Pavneet Arora: > I enclose a minimal example as well as the output. It would seem that the \os causes the m-dash to come out as three hyphens. Is this the expected behavior? Write {\os 123…}, context use a special fontfeature set (with the name “just-os”) for old style figure where where kerning, text ligatures etc. are disabled. Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Why does the oldstyle numerals switch, \os, also switch off m-dashes? 2011-11-30 6:30 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2011-11-30 12:28 ` Pavneet Arora 2011-11-30 19:19 ` Pavneet Arora 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Pavneet Arora @ 2011-11-30 12:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Wolfgang Schuster; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users Many thanks Wolfgang! On 11-11-30 01:30 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > > Am 30.11.2011 um 02:19 schrieb Pavneet Arora: > >> I enclose a minimal example as well as the output. It would seem that the \os causes the m-dash to come out as three hyphens. Is this the expected behavior? > > Write {\os 123…}, context use a special fontfeature set (with the name “just-os”) for old style figure where where kerning, text ligatures etc. are disabled. > > Wolfgang -- ----- - Pavneet Arora Waroc Fine Audio + Custom Home Cinema www.waroc.com 416.937.WAROC (9276) ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Why does the oldstyle numerals switch, \os, also switch off m-dashes? 2011-11-30 6:30 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2011-11-30 12:28 ` Pavneet Arora @ 2011-11-30 19:19 ` Pavneet Arora 2011-11-30 19:45 ` Willi Egger 2011-11-30 21:19 ` Wolfgang Schuster 1 sibling, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Pavneet Arora @ 2011-11-30 19:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Wolfgang Schuster; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1436 bytes --] Okay another anomaly: I used the example in the FAQs to try to set the feature across the entire document, which is really what I want. http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ#How_can_I_get_the_.E2.80.9Coldstyle_numbers.E2.80.9D_.28text_figures.29_in_a_document.3F In a manuscript length project, I wouldn't want to get {\os } for each local instance. Now, what I have noticed was that the small caps switch, \sc, seems to disable old-style numerals. Is this a typographic convention, i.e., that in a run of small caps one should not revert to old-style numerals? Is there a way of avoiding this assumption for a larger project? I sometimes have text set in small caps that as part of a project ID would have some numbers in it. In that case, I would like the old-style numerals to be used. I again enclose a small example with output. advTHANKSance. On 11-11-30 01:30 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > > Am 30.11.2011 um 02:19 schrieb Pavneet Arora: > >> I enclose a minimal example as well as the output. It would seem that the \os causes the m-dash to come out as three hyphens. Is this the expected behavior? > > Write {\os 123…}, context use a special fontfeature set (with the name “just-os”) for old style figure where where kerning, text ligatures etc. are disabled. > > Wolfgang -- ----- - Pavneet Arora Waroc Fine Audio + Custom Home Cinema www.waroc.com 416.937.WAROC (9276) [-- Attachment #2: test.pdf --] [-- Type: application/pdf, Size: 11384 bytes --] [-- Attachment #3: test.tex --] [-- Type: text/x-tex, Size: 195 bytes --] \definefontfeature[default][default][onum=yes] \setupbodyfont[schola] \starttext 1234567890 A Pause---between yes and no. {\sc 1234567890 A Pause---between yes and no.} 0987654321 \stoptext [-- Attachment #4: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Why does the oldstyle numerals switch, \os, also switch off m-dashes? 2011-11-30 19:19 ` Pavneet Arora @ 2011-11-30 19:45 ` Willi Egger 2011-11-30 21:19 ` Wolfgang Schuster 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Willi Egger @ 2011-11-30 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pavneet_arora, mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi Pavneet, I do not know which font/kind of font you intend to use. So provided the font is a otf-type the following works: \setupbodyfont[times,rm,12pt] \definefontfeature[oldstyle][sript=latin,onum=yes] \starttext \addff{oldstyle} 1234567890 A Pause---between yes and no. 1234567890 A Pause---between yes and no. \stoptext Willi On 30 Nov 2011, at 20:19, Pavneet Arora wrote: > Okay another anomaly: I used the example in the FAQs to try to set the feature across the entire document, which is really what I want. > > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ#How_can_I_get_the_.E2.80.9Coldstyle_numbers.E2.80.9D_.28text_figures.29_in_a_document.3F > > In a manuscript length project, I wouldn't want to get {\os } for each local instance. Now, what I have noticed was that the small caps switch, \sc, seems to disable old-style numerals. Is this a typographic convention, i.e., that in a run of small caps one should not revert to old-style numerals? Is there a way of avoiding this assumption for a larger project? I sometimes have text set in small caps that as part of a project ID would have some numbers in it. In that case, I would like the old-style numerals to be used. > > I again enclose a small example with output. > > advTHANKSance. > > On 11-11-30 01:30 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: >> >> Am 30.11.2011 um 02:19 schrieb Pavneet Arora: >> >>> I enclose a minimal example as well as the output. It would seem that the \os causes the m-dash to come out as three hyphens. Is this the expected behavior? >> >> Write {\os 123…}, context use a special fontfeature set (with the name “just-os”) for old style figure where where kerning, text ligatures etc. are disabled. >> >> Wolfgang > > -- > ----- > - Pavneet Arora > > Waroc Fine Audio + Custom Home Cinema > www.waroc.com 416.937.WAROC (9276) > > <test.pdf><test.tex>___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Why does the oldstyle numerals switch, \os, also switch off m-dashes? 2011-11-30 19:19 ` Pavneet Arora 2011-11-30 19:45 ` Willi Egger @ 2011-11-30 21:19 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2011-11-30 22:01 ` Pavneet Arora ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2011-11-30 21:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pavneet_arora; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 30.11.2011 um 20:19 schrieb Pavneet Arora: > Okay another anomaly: I used the example in the FAQs to try to set the feature across the entire document, which is really what I want. > > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ#How_can_I_get_the_.E2.80.9Coldstyle_numbers.E2.80.9D_.28text_figures.29_in_a_document.3F > > In a manuscript length project, I wouldn't want to get {\os } for each local instance. Now, what I have noticed was that the small caps switch, \sc, seems to disable old-style numerals. Is this a typographic convention, i.e., that in a run of small caps one should not revert to old-style numerals? Is there a way of avoiding this assumption for a larger project? I sometimes have text set in small caps that as part of a project ID would have some numbers in it. In that case, I would like the old-style numerals to be used. No, the answer is that smallcaps are activated with the “smcp” feature and this is applied to the regular style with the “smallcaps” set. To get now old style figures when you use smallcaps letters you need also this setup: \definefontfeature[smallcaps][smallcaps][onum=yes] Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Why does the oldstyle numerals switch, \os, also switch off m-dashes? 2011-11-30 21:19 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2011-11-30 22:01 ` Pavneet Arora 2011-11-30 22:02 ` Hans Hagen 2011-12-02 0:26 ` Pavneet Arora 2 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Pavneet Arora @ 2011-11-30 22:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Wolfgang Schuster; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users Works a charm, Wolfgang. Thanks again. On 11-11-30 04:19 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > > Am 30.11.2011 um 20:19 schrieb Pavneet Arora: > >> Okay another anomaly: I used the example in the FAQs to try to set the feature across the entire document, which is really what I want. >> >> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ#How_can_I_get_the_.E2.80.9Coldstyle_numbers.E2.80.9D_.28text_figures.29_in_a_document.3F >> >> In a manuscript length project, I wouldn't want to get {\os } for each local instance. Now, what I have noticed was that the small caps switch, \sc, seems to disable old-style numerals. Is this a typographic convention, i.e., that in a run of small caps one should not revert to old-style numerals? Is there a way of avoiding this assumption for a larger project? I sometimes have text set in small caps that as part of a project ID would have some numbers in it. In that case, I would like the old-style numerals to be used. > > No, the answer is that smallcaps are activated with the “smcp” feature and this is applied to the regular style with the “smallcaps” set. To get now old style figures when you use smallcaps letters you need also this setup: > > \definefontfeature[smallcaps][smallcaps][onum=yes] > > Wolfgang -- ----- - Pavneet Arora Waroc Fine Audio + Custom Home Cinema www.waroc.com 416.937.WAROC (9276) ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Why does the oldstyle numerals switch, \os, also switch off m-dashes? 2011-11-30 21:19 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2011-11-30 22:01 ` Pavneet Arora @ 2011-11-30 22:02 ` Hans Hagen 2011-12-02 0:26 ` Pavneet Arora 2 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2011-11-30 22:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: pavneet_arora On 30-11-2011 22:19, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > > Am 30.11.2011 um 20:19 schrieb Pavneet Arora: > >> Okay another anomaly: I used the example in the FAQs to try to set the feature across the entire document, which is really what I want. >> >> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ#How_can_I_get_the_.E2.80.9Coldstyle_numbers.E2.80.9D_.28text_figures.29_in_a_document.3F >> >> In a manuscript length project, I wouldn't want to get {\os } for each local instance. Now, what I have noticed was that the small caps switch, \sc, seems to disable old-style numerals. Is this a typographic convention, i..e., that in a run of small caps one should not revert to old-style numerals? Is there a way of avoiding this assumption for a larger project? I sometimes have text set in small caps that as part of a project ID would have some numbers in it. In that case, I would like the old-style numerals to be used. > > No, the answer is that smallcaps are activated with the “smcp” feature and this is applied to the regular style with the “smallcaps” set. To get now old style figures when you use smallcaps letters you need also this setup: > > \definefontfeature[smallcaps][smallcaps][onum=yes] given that the smallcaps feature does not nil oldstyle (happens in some fonts) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Why does the oldstyle numerals switch, \os, also switch off m-dashes? 2011-11-30 21:19 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2011-11-30 22:01 ` Pavneet Arora 2011-11-30 22:02 ` Hans Hagen @ 2011-12-02 0:26 ` Pavneet Arora 2 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Pavneet Arora @ 2011-12-02 0:26 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users Just for the sake of completeness, in case someone else stumbles upon this thread, it should be noted that \definefontfeature needs to be set before \setupbodyfont, i.e., \definefontfeature[default][default][onum=yes] \definefontfeature[smallcaps][smallcaps][onum=yes] \setupbodyfont[schola,11pt] rather than: \setupbodyfont[schola,11pt] \definefontfeature[default][default][onum=yes] \definefontfeature[smallcaps][smallcaps][onum=yes] I made the mistake of using the latter form in one of my tests and was left wondering why things weren't working. Regards. On 11-11-30 04:19 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > > Am 30.11.2011 um 20:19 schrieb Pavneet Arora: > >> Okay another anomaly: I used the example in the FAQs to try to set the feature across the entire document, which is really what I want. >> >> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ#How_can_I_get_the_.E2.80.9Coldstyle_numbers.E2.80.9D_.28text_figures.29_in_a_document.3F >> >> In a manuscript length project, I wouldn't want to get {\os } for each local instance. Now, what I have noticed was that the small caps switch, \sc, seems to disable old-style numerals. Is this a typographic convention, i.e., that in a run of small caps one should not revert to old-style numerals? Is there a way of avoiding this assumption for a larger project? I sometimes have text set in small caps that as part of a project ID would have some numbers in it. In that case, I would like the old-style numerals to be used. > > No, the answer is that smallcaps are activated with the “smcp” feature and this is applied to the regular style with the “smallcaps” set. To get now old style figures when you use smallcaps letters you need also this setup: > > \definefontfeature[smallcaps][smallcaps][onum=yes] > > Wolfgang -- ----- - Pavneet Arora Waroc Fine Audio + Custom Home Cinema www.waroc.com 416.937.WAROC (9276) ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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