footnote placement

footnote placement

[Meer, Hans van der]

It happens that a footnote generated on a certain page is typeset on the page preceding it. Rather than that, I would like to force a footnote to appear either on the page where it is defined or on the following page. Can such behaviour  be enforced? 
Currently this is my footnote setup:
\setupnotes   [footnote][split=verystrict]
\setupnotation[footnote][way=bypage,numberconversion=set 2,headstyle=small]

Hans van der Meer




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Re: footnote placement

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 07/20/2017 11:16 AM, Meer, Hans van der wrote:
> It happens that a footnote generated on a certain page is typeset on
> the page preceding it. Rather than that, I would like to force a
> footnote to appear either on the page where it is defined or on the
> following page. Can such behaviour be enforced?
> Currently this is my footnote setup:
> \setupnotes   [footnote][split=verystrict]

Hans,

I would add "scope=page", but that would prevent moving the footnote to
the next page.

I don’t know whether this would prevent the footnote to be placed in the
page before where it is defined.

Pablo
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Re: footnote placement

[Meer, Hans van der]

Pablo,

[scope=page] does not help. 

I did a few experiments with the following result.
If the footnote is close to the previous page, than obviously the float mechanism may decide to put the footnote on the previous page. This happens even when the footnote is in the second paragraph of that page. Only when the footnote is far enough from the top of the page (I have no inkling how far is far enough) will the footnote appear on the current page, as where one expects it.

I guess this is a tricky one, but perhaps Hans Hagen will know what to do or what to change. I am convinced he will not be afraid of some trickery:-)

Hans van der Meer




> On 20 Jul 2017, at 20:28, Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es> wrote:
> 
> On 07/20/2017 11:16 AM, Meer, Hans van der wrote:
>> It happens that a footnote generated on a certain page is typeset on
>> the page preceding it. Rather than that, I would like to force a
>> footnote to appear either on the page where it is defined or on the
>> following page. Can such behaviour be enforced?
>> Currently this is my footnote setup:
>> \setupnotes   [footnote][split=verystrict]
> 
> Hans,
> 
> I would add "scope=page", but that would prevent moving the footnote to
> the next page.
> 
> I don’t know whether this would prevent the footnote to be placed in the
> page before where it is defined.
> 
> Pablo
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Re: footnote placement

[Hans Hagen]

On 7/20/2017 9:14 PM, Meer, Hans van der wrote:
> Pablo,
> 
> [scope=page] does not help.
> 
> I did a few experiments with the following result.
> If the footnote is close to the previous page, than obviously the float mechanism may decide to put the footnote on the previous page. This happens even when the footnote is in the second paragraph of that page. Only when the footnote is far enough from the top of the page (I have no inkling how far is far enough) will the footnote appear on the current page, as where one expects it.
> 
> I guess this is a tricky one, but perhaps Hans Hagen will know what to do or what to change. I am convinced he will not be afraid of some trickery:-)

if verystrict is not helping there is not much that we can do as tex 
decides if keeping note and reference on one page is possible at all 
given other constraints

(of course there can be a bug in context)

> Hans van der Meer
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 20 Jul 2017, at 20:28, Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es> wrote:
>>
>> On 07/20/2017 11:16 AM, Meer, Hans van der wrote:
>>> It happens that a footnote generated on a certain page is typeset on
>>> the page preceding it. Rather than that, I would like to force a
>>> footnote to appear either on the page where it is defined or on the
>>> following page. Can such behaviour be enforced?
>>> Currently this is my footnote setup:
>>> \setupnotes   [footnote][split=verystrict]
>>
>> Hans,
>>
>> I would add "scope=page", but that would prevent moving the footnote to
>> the next page.
>>
>> I don’t know whether this would prevent the footnote to be placed in the
>> page before where it is defined.
>>
>> Pablo
>> -- 
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Re: footnote placement

[Meer, Hans van der]

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I did use: \setupnotes[footnote][split=verystrict,scope=page] so I guess there is not much hope here.

A related question: the numbering of endnotes is placed in the leftmargin. Is there a parameter setting that forces them in the textarea of the page?  I tried \setupnotes[endnote][location=text] but without success.

Hans van der Meer




On 20 Jul 2017, at 21:33, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl<mailto:pragma@wxs.nl>> wrote:

On 7/20/2017 9:14 PM, Meer, Hans van der wrote:
Pablo,
[scope=page] does not help.
I did a few experiments with the following result.
If the footnote is close to the previous page, than obviously the float mechanism may decide to put the footnote on the previous page. This happens even when the footnote is in the second paragraph of that page. Only when the footnote is far enough from the top of the page (I have no inkling how far is far enough) will the footnote appear on the current page, as where one expects it.
I guess this is a tricky one, but perhaps Hans Hagen will know what to do or what to change. I am convinced he will not be afraid of some trickery:-)

if verystrict is not helping there is not much that we can do as tex decides if keeping note and reference on one page is possible at all given other constraints

(of course there can be a bug in context)

Hans van der Meer
On 20 Jul 2017, at 20:28, Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es<mailto:oinos@gmx.es>> wrote:

On 07/20/2017 11:16 AM, Meer, Hans van der wrote:
It happens that a footnote generated on a certain page is typeset on
the page preceding it. Rather than that, I would like to force a
footnote to appear either on the page where it is defined or on the
following page. Can such behaviour be enforced?
Currently this is my footnote setup:
\setupnotes   [footnote][split=verystrict]

Hans,

I would add "scope=page", but that would prevent moving the footnote to
the next page.

I don’t know whether this would prevent the footnote to be placed in the
page before where it is defined.

Pablo
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Re: footnote placement

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 07/20/2017 10:06 PM, Meer, Hans van der wrote:
> I did use: \setupnotes[footnote][split=verystrict,scope=page] so I guess
> there is not much hope here.
> 
> A related question: the numbering of endnotes is placed in the
> leftmargin. Is there a parameter setting that forces them in the
> textarea of the page?  I tried \setupnotes[endnote][location=text] but
> without success.

Hans,

\setupnotation[endnote][alternative=serried] is what you need.

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Re: footnote placement

[Meer, Hans van der]

> On 21 Jul 2017, at 07:00, Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es> wrote:
> 
> On 07/20/2017 10:06 PM, Meer, Hans van der wrote:
>> I did use: \setupnotes[footnote][split=verystrict,scope=page] so I guess
>> there is not much hope here.
>> 
>> A related question: the numbering of endnotes is placed in the
>> leftmargin. Is there a parameter setting that forces them in the
>> textarea of the page?  I tried \setupnotes[endnote][location=text] but
>> without success.
> 
> Hans,
> 
> \setupnotation[endnote][alternative=serried] is what you need.

Does the trick. Thanks. I was afraid I had to make an ad hoc macro, but this is far better.

Hans van der Meer

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RE: footnote placement

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

>\setupnote[endnote][location=none]
>
>\starttext
>
>\dorecurse{100}{test \endnote{eee}\endgraf}
>
>\page
>
>\placenotes[endnote]
>
>\stoptext

For the record, this also works:-)

%\setupnote[endnote][location=none]
\setupfootnotes[location=none]

\starttext

\dorecurse{14}{\ReadFile{tufte}\footnote{\ReadFile{tufte}}\par}

\page

%\placenotes[endnote]
\placefootnotes[location=none]

\stoptext

It seems that \endnote is also new; nice-)

Idris

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RE: footnote placement

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

>===== Original Message From Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> =====
> \starttext
>> \startbuffer[tufte]
>> \input tufte
>> \stopbuffer
>> \startbuffer[knuth]
>> \input knuth
>> \stopbuffer
>> \dorecurse{100}{test \footnote{\typebuffer[knuth]} \endnote{eee}\endgraf}
>
>it's \getbuffer else you indeed get a verbatim buffer (which is what type 
does);
>
>\dorecurse{100}{test \footnote{\input knuth } \endnote{eee}\endgraf}

So \endgraf (or \par) is needed here; I should have guessed-)

>also works; put a space or \relax after \input, else tex keeps scanning;
>alternatively use \ReadFile{knuth} or \readfile{knuth}{}{}

I definitely prefer the \ReadFile option. I could not find it (or 
\readfile{}{}{}) in ConTeXt Commands or texshow; must be new...

What's the difference between these two commands?

Also: given the ConTeXt philosophy, shouldn't there be a non-cryptic 
replacement for \par or \endgraf, something like \paragraph or \endparagraph?

Best
Idris

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Re: footnote placement

[Hans Hagen]

Gerben Wierda wrote:
> I have been trying to do this for a test with larger notes, but this fails:
> 
> \starttext
> \startbuffer[tufte]
> \input tufte
> \stopbuffer
> \startbuffer[knuth]
> \input knuth
> \stopbuffer
> \dorecurse{100}{test \footnote{\typebuffer[knuth]} \endnote{eee}\endgraf}
> 
> \page
> 
> \placenotes[endnote]

\setupnote[endnote][location=none]

\starttext

\dorecurse{100}{test \endnote{eee}\endgraf}

\page

\placenotes[endnote]

\stoptext

i'll make location=none the defautl for endnotes; (other alternatives will snap 
and add backgrounds and such which is one reason for the notes not breaking

Hans

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Re: footnote placement

[Hans Hagen]

Gerben Wierda wrote:
> I have been trying to do this for a test with larger notes, but this fails:
> 
> \starttext
> \startbuffer[tufte]
> \input tufte
> \stopbuffer
> \startbuffer[knuth]
> \input knuth
> \stopbuffer
> \dorecurse{100}{test \footnote{\typebuffer[knuth]} \endnote{eee}\endgraf}

it's \getbuffer else you indeed get a verbatim buffer (which is what type does);

\dorecurse{100}{test \footnote{\input knuth } \endnote{eee}\endgraf}

also works; put a space or \relax after \input, else tex keeps scanning; 
alternatively use \ReadFile{knuth} or \readfile{knuth}{}{}


> \page
> 
> \placenotes[endnote]
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> But I get "\input tufte" in my footnotes. Putting the \input directly in 
> the \footnote also fails because TeX cannot open the fiile.
> 
> G
> 
> On 21 Mar 2005, at 17:42, Hans Hagen wrote:
> 
>> Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
>>
>>> Dear gang,
>>> I think this may have been missed, so I'm sending it again.
>>
>>
>> replace your core-not.tex by the attached file and regenerate the format
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \dorecurse{100}{test \footnote{test} \endnote{eee}\endgraf}
>>
>> \page
>>
>> \placenotes[endnote]
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>> should work then
>>
>> Hans
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Re: footnote placement

[Gerben Wierda]

I have been trying to do this for a test with larger notes, but this 
fails:

\starttext
\startbuffer[tufte]
\input tufte
\stopbuffer
\startbuffer[knuth]
\input knuth
\stopbuffer
\dorecurse{100}{test \footnote{\typebuffer[knuth]} 
\endnote{eee}\endgraf}

\page

\placenotes[endnote]

\stoptext

But I get "\input tufte" in my footnotes. Putting the \input directly 
in the \footnote also fails because TeX cannot open the fiile.

G

On 21 Mar 2005, at 17:42, Hans Hagen wrote:

> Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
>> Dear gang,
>> I think this may have been missed, so I'm sending it again.
>
> replace your core-not.tex by the attached file and regenerate the 
> format
>
> \starttext
>
> \dorecurse{100}{test \footnote{test} \endnote{eee}\endgraf}
>
> \page
>
> \placenotes[endnote]
>
> \stoptext
>
> should work then
>
> Hans
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Re: footnote placement

[Hans Hagen]

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Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
> Dear gang,
> 
> I think this may have been missed, so I'm sending it again.

replace your core-not.tex by the attached file and regenerate the format

\starttext

\dorecurse{100}{test \footnote{test} \endnote{eee}\endgraf}

\page

\placenotes[endnote]

\stoptext

should work then

Hans

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footnote placement

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

Dear gang,

I think this may have been missed, so I'm sending it again.

Best
Idris
=====================================================
============Thu, 17 Mar 2005 21:24:43 -0700==========
Dear syndicate,

1. When I place footnotes as endnotes, they overflow the page, like an 
oversize \vbox.

2. E.g.

\input tufte

does not work from inside \footnote{}

Here is a test file.

Best
Idris

==================test-notes===================
\setupoutput[pdftex]

\setupfootnotes[location=text]

\starttext

\dorecurse{14}
{\input tufte\footnote{Here is a footnote.\par Here is a footnote.\par 
Here is a footnote.}
\par
\input knuth\footnote{Here is a footnote.\par Here is a footnote.\par Here 
is a footnote.}
\par}

%\dorecurse{14} % THIS DOES NOT WORK!!!
%{\input tufte\footnote{\input tufte}
%\par
%\input knuth\footnote{\input knuth}
%\par}

\section{notes}

\placefootnotes[location=text,split=tolerant]
% the split option does not help:-(

\stoptext
===============================================

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footnote placement

[ishamid]

Dear syndicate,

1. When I place footnotes as endnotes, they overflow the page, like an 
oversize \vbox.

2. E.g.

\input tufte

does not work from inside \footnote{}

Here is a test file.

Best
Idris

==================test-notes===================
\setupoutput[pdftex]

\setupfootnotes[location=text]

\starttext

\dorecurse{14}
{\input tufte\footnote{Here is a footnote.\par 
Here is a footnote.\par Here is a footnote.}
\par
\input knuth\footnote{Here is a footnote.\par 
Here is a footnote.\par Here is a footnote.}
\par}

%\dorecurse{14} % THIS DOES NOT WORK!!!
%{\input tufte\footnote{\input tufte}
%\par
%\input knuth\footnote{\input knuth}
%\par}

\section{notes}

\placefootnotes[location=text,split=tolerant]
% the split option does not help:-(

\stoptext
===============================================

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Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523