long quotation problem

long quotation problem

[Alan Bowen]

I have been adapting some of my old Plain TeX macros to ConTeXt,  
using hints and suggestions from the ConTeXt wiki. What I have thus  
far works exactly as desired in the body text, but fails in the  
footnotes. I have appended some encoded text that shows the problem.  
Note the poor line-spacing and (unwanted) indentation in the first  
line of the quotation in the footnote: this quotation should look the  
same as the one in the body text.

I realize that I could fix this simply by inserting a \noindent in  
the footnote, for instance. But I am trying to reduce the amount of  
thinking an coder has to do, and so would really like to define the  
startextract..\stopextract environment more effectively.

Any pointers or suggestions for fixing this will be gratefully received.

Cheers, Alan

****************************

% Paragraph setup
\indenting[big,yes]
\setupwhitespace[medium]
\setupparagraphs[tolerance=verystrict]

%Footnote setup
\setupfootnotes[conversion=numbers,
     way=bytext,location=page,rule=on,bodyfont=10.1pt,style=normal]
\setupfootnotes[indenting=yes]
\setupfootnotes[interaction=yes]
\setupnotedefinition[footnote][indenting={big,yes}]

% Extract setup
\definestartstop[extract][
   before={\godown[0.10pc]
       \indenting[next]
         \setupnarrower[left=1.5pc,right=1.5pc]
         \startnarrower[left,right]},
   after={\stopnarrower
        \godown[0.25pc]
     \indenting[yes]}]

\starttext

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Morbi  
commodo, ipsum sed pharetra gravida, orci magna rhoncus neque, id  
pulvinar odio lorem non turpis. Nullam sit amet enim. Suspendisse id  
velit vitae ligula volutpat condimentum. Aliquam erat volutpat. Sed  
quis velit.
\startextract
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Morbi  
commodo, ipsum sed pharetra gravida, orci magna rhoncus neque, id  
pulvinar odio lorem non turpis.

Nullam sit amet enim. Suspendisse id velit vitae ligula volutpat  
condimentum. Aliquam erat volutpat. Sed quis velit. Nulla facilisi.  
Nulla libero. Vivamus pharetra posuere sapien.
\stopextract
\noindent Nam consectetuer. Sed aliquam, nunc eget euismod  
ullamcorper, lectus nunc ullamcorper orci, fermentum bibendum enim  
nibh eget ipsum. Donec porttitor ligula eu dolor. Maecenas vitae  
nulla consequat libero cursus venenatis. Nam magna enim, accumsan eu,  
blandit sed, blandit a, eros.%
\footnote{Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit.  
Morbi commodo, ipsum sed pharetra gravida, orci magna rhoncus neque,  
id pulvinar odio lorem non turpis. Nullam sit amet enim.%
\startextract
Suspendisse id velit vitae ligula volutpat condimentum. Aliquam erat  
volutpat. Sed quis velit. Nulla facilisi. Nulla libero. Vivamus  
pharetra posuere sapien.

Nam consectetuer. Sed aliquam, nunc eget euismod ullamcorper, lectus  
nunc ullamcorper orci, fermentum bibendum enim nibh eget ipsum. Donec  
porttitor ligula eu dolor.
\stopextract
\noindent Maecenas vitae nulla consequat libero cursus venenatis. Nam  
magna enim, accumsan eu, blandit sed, blandit a, eros.}\ %
Aliquam erat volutpat. Sed quis velit. Nulla facilisi. Nulla libero.  
Vivamus pharetra posuere sapien. Nam consectetuer. Sed aliquam, nunc  
eget euismod ullamcorper, lectus nunc ullamcorper orci, fermentum  
bibendum enim nibh eget ipsum. Donec porttitor ligula eu dolor.  
Maecenas vitae nulla consequat libero cursus venenatis. Nam magna  
enim, accumsan eu, blandit sed, blandit a, eros.
\stoptext

Re: long quotation problem

[Peter Rolf]

Hi Alan,

please, *no* more latin examples. Since school I have an allergy against
it ;)

Alan Bowen wrote:
> I have been adapting some of my old Plain TeX macros to ConTeXt,  using
> hints and suggestions from the ConTeXt wiki. What I have thus  far works
> exactly as desired in the body text, but fails in the  footnotes. I have
> appended some encoded text that shows the problem.  Note the poor
> line-spacing and (unwanted) indentation in the first  line of the
> quotation in the footnote: this quotation should look the  same as the
> one in the body text.
> 
> I realize that I could fix this simply by inserting a \noindent in  the
> footnote, for instance. But I am trying to reduce the amount of 
> thinking an coder has to do, and so would really like to define the 
> startextract..\stopextract environment more effectively.
> 
> Any pointers or suggestions for fixing this will be gratefully received.
> 
> Cheers, Alan
> 
> ****************************
> 
> % Paragraph setup
> \indenting[big,yes]
> \setupwhitespace[medium]
> \setupparagraphs[tolerance=verystrict]
> 
> %Footnote setup
> \setupfootnotes[conversion=numbers,
>     way=bytext,location=page,rule=on,bodyfont=10.1pt,style=normal]
> \setupfootnotes[indenting=yes]
> \setupfootnotes[interaction=yes]
> \setupnotedefinition[footnote][indenting={big,yes}]
> 
> % Extract setup
> \definestartstop[extract][
>   before={\godown[0.10pc]
            ^^^^
            \blank[0.25pc,force] % 0.10pc is not enough
>       \indenting[next]
        ^^^^
        % delete this and insert a \noindent at the end
>         \setupnarrower[left=1.5pc,right=1.5pc]
>         \startnarrower[left,right]
	  \noindent},
>   after={\stopnarrower
>        \godown[0.25pc]
	 ^^^^
	 \blank[0.25pc,force]
>     \indenting[yes]}]
      ^^^^
      \noindent (and a global \indenting[yes])

You can remove the \noindent from your main text now.
> 

Don't know, if this is exactly what you want, but it look nice.

Greetings,

Peter


> \starttext
> 
> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Morbi 
> commodo, ipsum sed pharetra gravida, orci magna rhoncus neque, id 
> pulvinar odio lorem non turpis. Nullam sit amet enim. Suspendisse id 
> velit vitae ligula volutpat condimentum. Aliquam erat volutpat. Sed 
> quis velit.
> \startextract
> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Morbi 
> commodo, ipsum sed pharetra gravida, orci magna rhoncus neque, id 
> pulvinar odio lorem non turpis.
> 
> Nullam sit amet enim. Suspendisse id velit vitae ligula volutpat 
> condimentum. Aliquam erat volutpat. Sed quis velit. Nulla facilisi. 
> Nulla libero. Vivamus pharetra posuere sapien.
> \stopextract
> \noindent Nam consectetuer. Sed aliquam, nunc eget euismod  ullamcorper,
> lectus nunc ullamcorper orci, fermentum bibendum enim  nibh eget ipsum.
> Donec porttitor ligula eu dolor. Maecenas vitae  nulla consequat libero
> cursus venenatis. Nam magna enim, accumsan eu,  blandit sed, blandit a,
> eros.%
> \footnote{Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. 
> Morbi commodo, ipsum sed pharetra gravida, orci magna rhoncus neque,  id
> pulvinar odio lorem non turpis. Nullam sit amet enim.%
> \startextract
> Suspendisse id velit vitae ligula volutpat condimentum. Aliquam erat 
> volutpat. Sed quis velit. Nulla facilisi. Nulla libero. Vivamus 
> pharetra posuere sapien.
> 
> Nam consectetuer. Sed aliquam, nunc eget euismod ullamcorper, lectus 
> nunc ullamcorper orci, fermentum bibendum enim nibh eget ipsum. Donec 
> porttitor ligula eu dolor.
> \stopextract
> \noindent Maecenas vitae nulla consequat libero cursus venenatis. Nam 
> magna enim, accumsan eu, blandit sed, blandit a, eros.}\ %
> Aliquam erat volutpat. Sed quis velit. Nulla facilisi. Nulla libero. 
> Vivamus pharetra posuere sapien. Nam consectetuer. Sed aliquam, nunc 
> eget euismod ullamcorper, lectus nunc ullamcorper orci, fermentum 
> bibendum enim nibh eget ipsum. Donec porttitor ligula eu dolor. 
> Maecenas vitae nulla consequat libero cursus venenatis. Nam magna  enim,
> accumsan eu, blandit sed, blandit a, eros.
> \stoptext
> 
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Re: long quotation problem

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

Hey, please don't take the famous "lorem ipsum" for Latin, or those  
knowing Latin will be offended... This is just random gibberish  
looking slightly Latin :-)

Thomas

On Oct 21, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Peter Rolf wrote:

> please, *no* more latin examples.

Re: long quotation problem

[Peter Rolf]

Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> Hey, please don't take the famous "lorem ipsum" for Latin, or those 
> knowing Latin will be offended... This is just random gibberish  looking
> slightly Latin :-)
> 
Oeps. Now I know why I didn't get the "Latinum" :)

Peter
> Thomas
> 
> On Oct 21, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Peter Rolf wrote:
> 
>> please, *no* more latin examples.
> 
> 
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Re: long quotation problem

[Alan Bowen]

Among printers this Latinate gibberish (which was “taken” from  
Cicero) was known as “greeked text” or as “printers’ Greek”—which is  
really nonsense and yet another reason not to pay attention to it!

Alan

On Oct 21, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

> Hey, please don't take the famous "lorem ipsum" for Latin, or those  
> knowing Latin will be offended... This is just random gibberish  
> looking slightly Latin :-)
>
> Thomas
>
> On Oct 21, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Peter Rolf wrote:
>
>
>> please, *no* more latin examples.
>>
>
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Re: long quotation problem

[Willi Egger]

Hi Alan,

I tried your code. I made the extract to be typeset in red.- Indeed a 
poor spacing.
I withdrew the \godown[0.10pc]. The result looked fine to me. Then I 
replaced the \godown by \blank[halfline], the result was again o.k.
Finally the \godown[0.10pc] was replaced with \godown[12pt] and the 
result looks o.k. to me. - So may be that there is a problem with your 
unit pc.

Willi

Alan Bowen wrote:

> I have been adapting some of my old Plain TeX macros to ConTeXt,  
> using hints and suggestions from the ConTeXt wiki. What I have thus  
> far works exactly as desired in the body text, but fails in the  
> footnotes. I have appended some encoded text that shows the problem.  
> Note the poor line-spacing and (unwanted) indentation in the first  
> line of the quotation in the footnote: this quotation should look the  
> same as the one in the body text.
>
> I realize that I could fix this simply by inserting a \noindent in  
> the footnote, for instance. But I am trying to reduce the amount of  
> thinking an coder has to do, and so would really like to define the  
> startextract..\stopextract environment more effectively.
>
> Any pointers or suggestions for fixing this will be gratefully received.
>
> Cheers, Alan
>
> ****************************
>
> % Paragraph setup
> \indenting[big,yes]
> \setupwhitespace[medium]
> \setupparagraphs[tolerance=verystrict]
>
> %Footnote setup
> \setupfootnotes[conversion=numbers,
>     way=bytext,location=page,rule=on,bodyfont=10.1pt,style=normal]
> \setupfootnotes[indenting=yes]
> \setupfootnotes[interaction=yes]
> \setupnotedefinition[footnote][indenting={big,yes}]
>
> % Extract setup
> \definestartstop[extract][
>   before={\godown[0.10pc]
>       \indenting[next]
>         \setupnarrower[left=1.5pc,right=1.5pc]
>         \startnarrower[left,right]},
>   after={\stopnarrower
>        \godown[0.25pc]
>     \indenting[yes]}]
>
> \starttext
>
> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Morbi  
> commodo, ipsum sed pharetra gravida, orci magna rhoncus neque, id  
> pulvinar odio lorem non turpis. Nullam sit amet enim. Suspendisse id  
> velit vitae ligula volutpat condimentum. Aliquam erat volutpat. Sed  
> quis velit.
> \startextract
> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Morbi  
> commodo, ipsum sed pharetra gravida, orci magna rhoncus neque, id  
> pulvinar odio lorem non turpis.
>
> Nullam sit amet enim. Suspendisse id velit vitae ligula volutpat  
> condimentum. Aliquam erat volutpat. Sed quis velit. Nulla facilisi.  
> Nulla libero. Vivamus pharetra posuere sapien.
> \stopextract
> \noindent Nam consectetuer. Sed aliquam, nunc eget euismod  
> ullamcorper, lectus nunc ullamcorper orci, fermentum bibendum enim  
> nibh eget ipsum. Donec porttitor ligula eu dolor. Maecenas vitae  
> nulla consequat libero cursus venenatis. Nam magna enim, accumsan eu,  
> blandit sed, blandit a, eros.%
> \footnote{Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit.  
> Morbi commodo, ipsum sed pharetra gravida, orci magna rhoncus neque,  
> id pulvinar odio lorem non turpis. Nullam sit amet enim.%
> \startextract
> Suspendisse id velit vitae ligula volutpat condimentum. Aliquam erat  
> volutpat. Sed quis velit. Nulla facilisi. Nulla libero. Vivamus  
> pharetra posuere sapien.
>
> Nam consectetuer. Sed aliquam, nunc eget euismod ullamcorper, lectus  
> nunc ullamcorper orci, fermentum bibendum enim nibh eget ipsum. Donec  
> porttitor ligula eu dolor.
> \stopextract
> \noindent Maecenas vitae nulla consequat libero cursus venenatis. Nam  
> magna enim, accumsan eu, blandit sed, blandit a, eros.}\ %
> Aliquam erat volutpat. Sed quis velit. Nulla facilisi. Nulla libero.  
> Vivamus pharetra posuere sapien. Nam consectetuer. Sed aliquam, nunc  
> eget euismod ullamcorper, lectus nunc ullamcorper orci, fermentum  
> bibendum enim nibh eget ipsum. Donec porttitor ligula eu dolor.  
> Maecenas vitae nulla consequat libero cursus venenatis. Nam magna  
> enim, accumsan eu, blandit sed, blandit a, eros.
> \stoptext
>
>
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Re: long quotation problem

[Hans Hagen Test]

Willi Egger wrote:

> Hi Alan,
>
> I tried your code. I made the extract to be typeset in red.- Indeed a 
> poor spacing.
> I withdrew the \godown[0.10pc]. The result looked fine to me. Then I 
> replaced the \godown by \blank[halfline], the result was again o.k.
> Finally the \godown[0.10pc] was replaced with \godown[12pt] and the 
> result looks o.k. to me. - So may be that there is a problem with your 
> unit pc.

indeed such small units start interfering with depth and interlinespacing

Hans

Re: long quotation problem

[Hans Hagen Test]

Alan Bowen wrote:

> I have been adapting some of my old Plain TeX macros to ConTeXt,  
> using hints and suggestions from the ConTeXt wiki. What I have thus  
> far works exactly as desired in the body text, but fails in the  
> footnotes. I have appended some encoded text that shows the problem.  
> Note the poor line-spacing and (unwanted) indentation in the first  
> line of the quotation in the footnote: this quotation should look the  
> same as the one in the body text.
>
> I realize that I could fix this simply by inserting a \noindent in  
> the footnote, for instance. But I am trying to reduce the amount of  
> thinking an coder has to do, and so would really like to define the  
> startextract..\stopextract environment more effectively.

don't use \godown, use \blank since it is  more clever in accumulating 
cq. handling vertical spaces; also,

  \defineblank[footnotedistance][.1pc]

and then using
 
  \blank[footnotedistance]

makes the thing configurable (one can redefine the spacing outside the 
macro)

Hans

Re: long quotation problem

[Alan Bowen]

Peter, Willi, and Hans—

I have incorporated your suggestions for getting better looking long  
quotations, and all is now working very well indeed. Many thanks to  
you all.

Alan

PS For the record, here is what I have now—just in case someone down  
the line runs into the same problem. A.

%////////////////     Extracts or Long  
Quotations    //////////////////////////

%%%%     In body text

\defineblank[extractdistance][3pt]

\definestartstop[extract][
   before={ \blank[extractdistance,force]
         \setupnarrower[left=1.5pc,right=1.5pc]
         \startnarrower[left,right]
     \noindent},
   after={\stopnarrower
        \blank[extractdistance,force]
     \indenting[yes]}]

%%%%%     In footnotes

\defineblank[footenoteextractdistance][2.7pt]

\definestartstop[fnextract][
   before={ \blank[footenoteextractdistance,force]
         \setupnarrower[left=1.5pc,right=1.5pc]
         \startnarrower[left,right]
     \noindent},
   after={\stopnarrower
        \blank[footenoteextractdistance,force]
     \indenting[yes]}]

Re: long quotation problem

[Hans Hagen]

Alan Bowen wrote:

> Peter, Willi, and Hans�
>
> I have incorporated your suggestions for getting better looking long  
> quotations, and all is now working very well indeed. Many thanks to  
> you all.
>
> Alan
>
> PS For the record, here is what I have now�just in case someone down  
> the line runs into the same problem. A.
>
> %////////////////     Extracts or Long  Quotations    
> //////////////////////////
>
> %%%%     In body text
>
> \defineblank[extractdistance][3pt]
>
> \definestartstop[extract][
>   before={ \blank[extractdistance,force]
>         \setupnarrower[left=1.5pc,right=1.5pc]
>         \startnarrower[left,right]
>     \noindent},
>   after={\stopnarrower
>        \blank[extractdistance,force]
>     \indenting[yes]}]
>
> %%%%%     In footnotes
>
> \defineblank[footenoteextractdistance][2.7pt]
>
> \definestartstop[fnextract][
>   before={ \blank[footenoteextractdistance,force]
>         \setupnarrower[left=1.5pc,right=1.5pc]
>         \startnarrower[left,right]
>     \noindent},
>   after={\stopnarrower
>        \blank[footenoteextractdistance,force]
>     \indenting[yes]}]

was this wiki'd?

Hans

Re: long quotation problem

[Alan Bowen]

Hans—

I have not wiki-ed anything before, so this was a first try and  I  
think it worked. At least it shows up on my user page.

Best, Alan


On Nov 9, 2005, at 7:30 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:

> Alan Bowen wrote:
>
>> Peter, Willi, and Hans�
>>
>> I have incorporated your suggestions for getting better looking  
>> long  quotations, and all is now working very well indeed. Many  
>> thanks to  you all.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> PS For the record, here is what I have now�just in case someone  
>> down  the line runs into the same problem. A.
>>
>> %////////////////     Extracts or Long   
>> Quotations    //////////////////////////
>>
>> %%%%     In body text
>>
>> \defineblank[extractdistance][3pt]
>>
>> \definestartstop[extract][
>>   before={ \blank[extractdistance,force]
>>         \setupnarrower[left=1.5pc,right=1.5pc]
>>         \startnarrower[left,right]
>>     \noindent},
>>   after={\stopnarrower
>>        \blank[extractdistance,force]
>>     \indenting[yes]}]
>>
>> %%%%%     In footnotes
>>
>> \defineblank[footenoteextractdistance][2.7pt]
>>
>> \definestartstop[fnextract][
>>   before={ \blank[footenoteextractdistance,force]
>>         \setupnarrower[left=1.5pc,right=1.5pc]
>>         \startnarrower[left,right]
>>     \noindent},
>>   after={\stopnarrower
>>        \blank[footenoteextractdistance,force]
>>     \indenting[yes]}]
>
> was this wiki'd?
>
> Hans
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