From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/41678 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrea Valle Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: distro info Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:57:05 +0200 Message-ID: <9B5FE926-1E34-481E-81F6-847DEDA46FB7@di.unito.it> References: <6faad9f00806100858m332b0c18w1726368830a29a3c@mail.gmail.com> <46D24799-264A-4AFE-9089-A63F4226985C@mpq.mpg.de> <8687593C-CFC0-4F6A-9EA2-091FC7CBB2CC@di.unito.it> <6faad9f00806110905q32b9c142t6af44f2edf85adbf@mail.gmail.com> <4F0FF6A1-CBA4-455D-80A5-785E59607044@di.unito.it> <181B45FF-223C-4CBB-8909-F4C9BB2E0C5B@fiee.net> <653FF68A-0886-4ECA-A87C-36D95138437A@uni-bonn.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0140954820==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1213457190 671 80.91.229.12 (14 Jun 2008 15:26:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:26:30 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sat Jun 14 17:27:11 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K7Xek-0001Og-EP for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:27:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E1B1FEB0; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:26:16 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06061-04-15; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:25:38 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CF811FF5B; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:51:25 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 846571FF5A for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:51:22 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02239-01-6 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:50:23 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from pianeta.di.unito.it (pianeta.di.unito.it [130.192.156.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE60F20072 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:58:16 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.2] (d81-211-247-143.cust.tele2.it [81.211.247.143]) by pianeta.di.unito.it (INFO-DIP) with ESMTP id m5EDvADC011151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO userCertificateDN= AuthenticatedUser=valle ) for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 15:57:16 +0200 (MEST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-dipinfo-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Department of Computer Science technical staff for more information X-AntiVirus: Scanned for viruses by VirusFinder @2001-tecnici@di.unito.it - Email Clean X-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-102.498, required 3.5, autolearn=not spam, AUTHENTICATEDUSER -100.00, BAYES_00 -2.60, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.10) X-MailScanner-From: valle@di.unito.it X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:41678 Archived-At: --===============0140954820== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-110-1068908385 --Apple-Mail-110-1068908385 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed > What I said is: you can provide all the GUI tools you > want, at some point (and this will be rather sooner than later) > problems will crop up, and these problems will be impossible to > resolve if you don't want to use the command line, don't want to learn > about PATH settings, don't want to learn about where configuration > files go and what they do. Thomas, I do not know what Oliver is actually doing. But just 2c: - suppose you have a ConTeXt distro (the minimal) inside a mac app. =20 At the end a mac app is typically a folder containing different =20 programs/libraries etc - suppose you are provided inside the app of an editor (say, =20 TeXShop) already configured to read in the app's folder. In sum, you have a TeXShop ready to go for the ConTeXt in the app. Then, you have a context distro working out of the box. It can be installed easily. You have always worked with Word and you =20 want to try to work with ConTeXt? Download, drag and drop, open. There shouldn't been configuration problems (they have been solved =20 while creating the installer). If there are bugs depending on ConTeXt, as usual in case of an app, =20 the user has to wait for a next release of the app including the new =20 ConTeXt version. (with a bit more expertise, maybe you can simply replace the right =20 folder inside the mac app) This is indeed a limit, but the previous points can be pros for =20 another user. > colorful pointy-clicky interface. Not so much colorful, not so much pointy-clicky. Just local, self-contained, with an editor. No? Best -a- -------------------------------------------------- Andrea Valle -------------------------------------------------- CIRMA - DAMS Universit=E0 degli Studi di Torino --> http://www.cirma.unito.it/andrea/ --> http://www.myspace.com/andreavalle --> andrea.valle@unito.it -------------------------------------------------- I did this interview where I just mentioned that I read Foucault. Who =20= doesn't in university, right? I was in this strip club giving this =20 guy a lap dance and all he wanted to do was to discuss Foucault with =20 me. Well, I can stand naked and do my little dance, or I can discuss =20 Foucault, but not at the same time; too much information. (Annabel Chong) -------------------------------------------------- Andrea Valle -------------------------------------------------- CIRMA - DAMS Universit=E0 degli Studi di Torino --> http://www.cirma.unito.it/andrea/ --> http://www.myspace.com/andreavalle --> andrea.valle@unito.it -------------------------------------------------- " Think of it as seasoning . noise [salt] is boring . F(blah) [food without salt] can be boring . F(noise, blah) can be really tasty " (Ken Perlin on noise) --Apple-Mail-110-1068908385 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
What I said is: you can provide = all the GUI tools you =A0
want, at = some point (and this will be rather sooner than later) =A0
problems = will crop up, and these problems will be impossible to =A0
resolve = if you don't want to use the command line, don't want to learn =A0
about = PATH settings, don't want to learn about where configuration =A0
files go = and what they do.

Thomas, I do = not know what Oliver is actually doing.
But just = 2c:
- suppose you have a ConTeXt distro (the minimal) inside a = mac app. At the end a mac app is typically a folder containing different = programs/libraries etc
- suppose you are provided inside the = app of an editor (say, =A0TeXShop) =A0already configured to read in the = app's folder.

In sum, you have a TeXShop ready = to go for the ConTeXt in the app.

Then, you = have a context distro working out of the box.
It can be = installed easily.=A0You have always worked with Word and=A0you want to = try to work with ConTeXt?=A0Download, drag and drop, = open.
There shouldn't been configuration problems (they have = been solved while creating the installer).
If there are bugs = depending on ConTeXt, =A0as usual in case of an app, the user has to = wait for a next release of the app including the new ConTeXt = version.
(with a bit more expertise, maybe you can simply = replace the right folder inside the mac app)
This is indeed a = limit, but the previous points can be pros for another = user.

colorful pointy-clicky interface. =

Not so much colorful, not so much = pointy-clicky.
Just local, self-contained, with an = editor.

No?

Best
-a-


http://www.cirma.unito.it/andre= a/
= --------------------------------------------------


I did this interview where I just = mentioned that I read Foucault. Who doesn't in = university, right? I was in this strip = club=A0givi= ng this guy a lap dance=A0and all he wanted to do was to = discuss Foucault with me. Well, I can stand naked and do my little = dance, or I can discuss Foucault, but not at the same time; too much = information.
(Annabel = Chong)
http://www.cirma.unito.it/andre= a/
= --------------------------------------------------


"
Think of it as = seasoning
. noise [salt] is boring
. = F(blah) [food without salt] can be boring
. = F(noise, blah) can be really tasty
"
(Ken Perlin on = noise)





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