palatino fonts

palatino fonts

[Hans Hagen]

Hi,

In a previous post, sjoerd mentioned fonts from the "tower of babel 
project" (russia).

http://newstar.rinet.ru/downl.php?lan=en#dict

There you can also download fonts, like some palatino and a cjk font. To 
me it looks quite illegal: the palatino variant has indeed over 2500 
glyphs but also contains copyright notices (heidelberg/linotype as well 
as microsoft).  When fonts lack glyphs one normally may make companions, 
but that;s not the case here: same name, probably same glyphs as in the 
original. i wonder why they were not yet taken off line. Stealing fonts 
happens, but here they didn't even bother to disguise the original name 
and author. Ok, I may be wrong and it may be a donation to the project, 
but even then it should be mentioned in the copyryright. (Somehow I'm 
pretty sure that the designer of the Palatino (Hermann Zapf) is not 
aware or this rip-off.) LInotype now ships the Palatino Nova, but that 
does not mean that the old one is obsolete and free.

Technically you can configure the context unicode handler to take chars 
from multiple fonts, so my advise is to use another font or a 
combination of fonts. Maybe it's worth investigating which free fonts 
contain the glyphs you need.

Hans

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Re: palatino fonts

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2006-01-20 um 10:23 schrieb Hans Hagen:

> Technically you can configure the context unicode handler to take  
> chars from multiple fonts, so my advise is to use another font or a  
> combination of fonts. Maybe it's worth investigating which free  
> fonts contain the glyphs you need.

Of course this one is illegal, but I can understand their intention  
to collect all the glyphs in one font (they don't normally use TeX, I  
guess).

I know no font that contains every kind of Latin/Greek based glyph  
(as this does); Gentium is aiming that target, but it lacks cyrillic  
at the moment (and it doesn't look like it would be further  
developed, even if they released the sources some months ago). And  
there isn't a bold variant either.
http://scripts.sil.org/Gentium
Other projects:
- Linux Libertine is just ugly (0 is only a circle!?)
http://linuxlibertine.sourceforge.net/
- Junicode is interesting, but also lacks Cyrillic
http://www.engl.virginia.edu/OE/junicode/junicode.html
- more?

And as far as I can see, the Babel folks even had to make up some  
glyphs for their project.
Sure, it would be far better if they had contributed to one of the  
above projects (or perhaps one of the GUST projects or just use TeX)  
instead stealing a commercial font.

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Re: palatino fonts

[Hans Hagen]

Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

>
> Sure, it would be far better if they had contributed to one of the  
> above projects (or perhaps one of the GUST projects or just use TeX)  
> instead stealing a commercial font.

indeed, they could have made a companion font to the urw paladio 
 
Hans 

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Re: palatino fonts

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Jan 20, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

> Gentium is aiming that target, but it lacks cyrillic at the moment  
> (and it doesn't look like it would be further developed, even if  
> they released the sources some months ago).

What makes you say that? I heard that Victor Gaultney will release a  
new version soonish, and that it will have bold and bold italic. And  
the "status" part of the Gentium website looks like they are actively  
developing the font.

Best

Thomas

Re: palatino fonts

[Wolfgang Zillig]

Hello all,

I just had a look the the Gentium fonts and I like them. Did anybody 
start to make them available in Context? And does anybody know if there 
will be a math font set available?

Kind regards

Wolfgang




Thomas A. Schmitz schrieb:
>
> On Jan 20, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>
>> Gentium is aiming that target, but it lacks cyrillic at the moment 
>> (and it doesn't look like it would be further developed, even if they 
>> released the sources some months ago).
>
> What makes you say that? I heard that Victor Gaultney will release a 
> new version soonish, and that it will have bold and bold italic. And 
> the "status" part of the Gentium website looks like they are actively 
> developing the font.
>
> Best
>
> Thomas
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Re: palatino fonts

[Ville Voipio]

Wolfgang Zillig wrote:
> I just had a look the the Gentium fonts and I like them. Did anybody 
> start to make them available in Context?

You might be interested in this:

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Installing_a_TrueType_font%2C_step_by_step


- Ville

Re: palatino fonts

[Johan Sandblom]

I use Euler math with Gentium, which is appealing to my amateur eye.

Johan

2006/1/20, Wolfgang Zillig <wolfgang.zillig@student.kuleuven.be>:
> Hello all,
>
> I just had a look the the Gentium fonts and I like them. Did anybody
> start to make them available in Context? And does anybody know if there
> will be a math font set available?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
>
>
> Thomas A. Schmitz schrieb:
> >
> > On Jan 20, 2006, at 10:47 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> >
> >> Gentium is aiming that target, but it lacks cyrillic at the moment
> >> (and it doesn't look like it would be further developed, even if they
> >> released the sources some months ago).
> >
> > What makes you say that? I heard that Victor Gaultney will release a
> > new version soonish, and that it will have bold and bold italic. And
> > the "status" part of the Gentium website looks like they are actively
> > developing the font.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Thomas
> >
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Re: palatino fonts

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

I can send you typescript, map, and tfms off-list if you want.

Thomas

On Jan 20, 2006, at 3:02 PM, Wolfgang Zillig wrote:

> I just had a look the the Gentium fonts and I like them. Did  
> anybody start to make them available in Context?

Re: palatino fonts

[Steve Peter]

> indeed, they could have made a companion font to the urw paladio Hans

Then it would be a hans serif! 

Re: palatino fonts

[Mojca Miklavec]

On 1/20/06, Wolfgang Zillig wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I just had a look the the Gentium fonts and I like them. Did anybody
> start to make them available in Context? And does anybody know if there
> will be a math font set available?

I didn't follow the thread closely and don't know the font, but see

http://www.hft.ei.tum.de/mz/testmath_gentium.pdf
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.fonts/86

Perhaps any of those can help.


On 1/20/06, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> I can send you typescript, map, and tfms off-list if you want.

What about putting them to the modules section of contextgarden or to
Hraban's server (the first place where someone would search for
typescripts :)

Mojca

Re: palatino fonts

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2006-01-20 um 16:39 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:

>> I can send you typescript, map, and tfms off-list if you want.
>
> What about putting them to the modules section of contextgarden or to
> Hraban's server (the first place where someone would search for
> typescripts :)

The Gentium typescript is already in the typescripts.zip for a long  
time.
Since I read the I'm allowed to re-distribute the font, I'll prepare  
a package soon,
but I should rework my fonts page (or better the whole site)...


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Re: palatino fonts

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2006-01-20 um 14:53 schrieb Thomas A. Schmitz:

>> Gentium is aiming that target, but it lacks cyrillic at the moment  
>> (and it doesn't look like it would be further developed, even if  
>> they released the sources some months ago).
> What makes you say that? I heard that Victor Gaultney will release  
> a new version soonish, and that it will have bold and bold italic.  
> And the "status" part of the Gentium website looks like they are  
> actively developing the font.

These are news that make me happy! :-)
I very much like the font and use it as body text for a magazine.  
Sometimes I was missing the bold face.
The status on the website didn't change for a long time, so I got the  
impression the development would be sleeping.

Greetlings from Lake Constance!
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Re: palatino fonts

[VnPenguin]

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On 1/20/06, Henning Hraban Ramm <hraban@fiee.net> wrote:
>
> The Gentium typescript is already in the typescripts.zip for a long
> time.
> Since I read the I'm allowed to re-distribute the font, I'll prepare
> a package soon,
> but I should rework my fonts page (or better the whole site)...
>

With curiosity, does your typescripts for Gentium support T5 encoding ? :)
We use Gentium ok for Vietnamese utf-8 here (Openoffice, Abiword,....)
and it will be nice if you could provide vietnamese support ... :)

Thank you,

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Re: palatino fonts

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2006-01-20 um 21:29 schrieb VnPenguin:
>> The Gentium typescript is already in the typescripts.zip for a long
>> time.


> With curiosity, does your typescripts for Gentium support T5  
> encoding ? :)
> We use Gentium ok for Vietnamese utf-8 here (Openoffice, Abiword,....)
> and it will be nice if you could provide vietnamese support ... :)

My type scripts always use \defaultencoding - that's not always the  
best,
but mostly... (One could use a list of appropriate encodings instead.)

I don't yet provide support files for t5 encoding, only ex, texnansi  
and qx.
But it would be no problem to make them for Gentium (and other fonts  
that
contain the glyphs).

But I must think about a better structure of my fonts list before...
(http://www.fiee.net/texnique/?menu=0-1-4)


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Re: font encodings (was: palatino fonts)

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

>> With curiosity, does your typescripts for Gentium support T5  
>> encoding ? :)
>> We use Gentium ok for Vietnamese utf-8 here (Openoffice,  
>> Abiword,....)
>> and it will be nice if you could provide vietnamese support ... :)
>
> My type scripts always use \defaultencoding - that's not always the  
> best,
> but mostly... (One could use a list of appropriate encodings instead.)
>
> I don't yet provide support files for t5 encoding, only ex,  
> texnansi and qx.
> But it would be no problem to make them for Gentium (and other  
> fonts that
> contain the glyphs).
>
> But I must think about a better structure of my fonts list before...
> (http://www.fiee.net/texnique/?menu=0-1-4)

Ok, Gentium is now online including t5 encoding. (That's not yet  
mentioned on the page.)

Now, Gentium also contains Greek glyphs, and some other fonts contain  
Cyrillic.
Which encoding should I provide for these scripts? (Only one for  
each, if possible!)

Is there any way how I could automatically detect, how much of some  
encoding a font covers?
E.g. check a font (TTF, OTF, AFM?) against texnansi, ec, qx, t5,  
t2a... and make the files for it if most of the slots could be filled.

Something completely different: I'm looking for an idea how I could  
automatically create a small font preview (one line) as a bitmap.

Greetlings from Lake Constance!
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Re: font encodings (was: palatino fonts)

[VnPenguin]

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On 1/21/06, Henning Hraban Ramm <hraban@fiee.net> wrote:
>
> Ok, Gentium is now online including t5 encoding. (That's not yet
> mentioned on the page.)

cool! I'll try it :)

Thank you so much,
Regards,

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