textrules

textrules

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

Hi all, 

I want two paragraphs separated by a rule which has the same distance to
the preceding and the following line (yes, I know that this is fuzzy,
it's just the optical impression that counts). I can't get my head
around the \setuptextrules command, which should allow to do this. I
tried this:


\def\smallblank{\blank[line]}
\def\bigblank{\blank[2*line]}

\setuptextrules[inbetween=\bigblank,
before=\bigblank
]

but I realize that the before, after, and inbetween keywords either
don't do what I want or plain do nothing. Could somebody explain what
their expected behavior is (and if I should use a different approach
than textrule?).

Thanks

Thomas

Re: textrules

[Peter Rolf]

Hi Thomas,

Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> Hi all, 
> 
> I want two paragraphs separated by a rule which has the same distance to
> the preceding and the following line (yes, I know that this is fuzzy,
> it's just the optical impression that counts). I can't get my head
> around the \setuptextrules command, which should allow to do this. I
> tried this:
> 
> 
> \def\smallblank{\blank[line]}
> \def\bigblank{\blank[2*line]}
> 
> \setuptextrules[inbetween=\bigblank,
> before=\bigblank
> ]
> 
> but I realize that the before, after, and inbetween keywords either
> don't do what I want or plain do nothing. Could somebody explain what
> their expected behavior is (and if I should use a different approach
> than textrule?).
>
add

\showskips

to your source (better a small one). I just tested a bit (between my
current mp examples) and 'inbetween={\blank[2*big]}' and
'after={\blank[2*big]}' should do the job. If you dare, ask Hans about
the meaning of 'before' ;)


Greetings, Peter

> Thanks
> 
> Thomas
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Re: textrules

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Oct 19, 2006, at 5:04 PM, Peter Rolf wrote:

> Hi Thomas,
>
>
>>
> add
>
> \showskips
>
> to your source (better a small one). I just tested a bit (between my
> current mp examples) and 'inbetween={\blank[2*big]}' and
> 'after={\blank[2*big]}' should do the job. If you dare, ask Hans about
> the meaning of 'before' ;)
>
>
> Greetings, Peter
>

Thanks Peter,

that was very helpful. I still had to tweak a bit, but by combining  
"inbetween" and "after," I got an acceptable result. So the mystery  
thickens: what is before? :-)

Best

Thomas

Re: textrules

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

>
> On Oct 19, 2006, at 5:04 PM, Peter Rolf wrote:
>
>> Hi Thomas,
>>
>>
>>>
>> add
>>
>> \showskips
>>
>> to your source (better a small one). I just tested a bit (between my
>> current mp examples) and 'inbetween={\blank[2*big]}' and
>> 'after={\blank[2*big]}' should do the job. If you dare, ask Hans about
>> the meaning of 'before' ;)
>>
>>
>> Greetings, Peter
>>
>
> Thanks Peter,
>
> that was very helpful. I still had to tweak a bit, but by combining
> "inbetween" and "after," I got an acceptable result. So the mystery
> thickens: what is before? :-)


\textrule[top] does

before
----------- (rule)
inbetween

\textrule[bottom] does

inbetween
----------
after

\textrule with no argumet is equal to \textrule[bottom]

There is a \domiddletextrule that does

inbetween
------------
inbetween

but this is not interfaced with \textrule. It only becomes active 
inside a \starttextrule.

\starttextrule{whatever}
\input knuth
\textrule
\input knuth
\stoptextrule


To use this, you can define your own rule as

\def\midtextrule{\dosinglegroupempty\domiddletextrule}

\setuptextrules[inbetween={\blank[big]}]

And midtextrule will use inbetween on both side.

Hans, does it make sense to add this to core-rul?

\def\complextextrule[#1]%
   {\processaction
      [#1]
      [  \v!top=>\let\next\dotoptextrule,
         \v!bottom=>\let\next\dobottomtextrule,
         middle=>\let\next\domiddletextrule, %<------- Added
       \s!default=>\let\next\dobottomtextrule,
       \s!unknown=>\let\next\dobottomtextrule]%
    \dosinglegroupempty\next}


Aditya

Re: textrules

[Hans Hagen]

Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>
>   
>> On Oct 19, 2006, at 5:04 PM, Peter Rolf wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Hi Thomas,
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>> add
>>>
>>> \showskips
>>>
>>> to your source (better a small one). I just tested a bit (between my
>>> current mp examples) and 'inbetween={\blank[2*big]}' and
>>> 'after={\blank[2*big]}' should do the job. If you dare, ask Hans about
>>> the meaning of 'before' ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> Greetings, Peter
>>>
>>>       
>> Thanks Peter,
>>
>> that was very helpful. I still had to tweak a bit, but by combining
>> "inbetween" and "after," I got an acceptable result. So the mystery
>> thickens: what is before? :-)
>>     
>
>
> \textrule[top] does
>
> before
> ----------- (rule)
> inbetween
>
> \textrule[bottom] does
>
> inbetween
> ----------
> after
>
> \textrule with no argumet is equal to \textrule[bottom]
>
> There is a \domiddletextrule that does
>
> inbetween
> ------------
> inbetween
>
> but this is not interfaced with \textrule. It only becomes active 
> inside a \starttextrule.
>
> \starttextrule{whatever}
> \input knuth
> \textrule
> \input knuth
> \stoptextrule
>
>
> To use this, you can define your own rule as
>
> \def\midtextrule{\dosinglegroupempty\domiddletextrule}
>
> \setuptextrules[inbetween={\blank[big]}]
>
> And midtextrule will use inbetween on both side.
>
> Hans, does it make sense to add this to core-rul?
>
> \def\complextextrule[#1]%
>    {\processaction
>       [#1]
>       [  \v!top=>\let\next\dotoptextrule,
>          \v!bottom=>\let\next\dobottomtextrule,
>          middle=>\let\next\domiddletextrule, %<------- Added
>   
\v!middle -)

added
>        \s!default=>\let\next\dobottomtextrule,
>        \s!unknown=>\let\next\dobottomtextrule]%
>     \dosinglegroupempty\next}
>
>
> Aditya
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Re: textrules

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Oct 20, 2006, at 1:32 AM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

> \textrule[top] does
>
> before
> ----------- (rule)
> inbetween
>
> \textrule[bottom] does
>
> inbetween
> ----------
> after
>
> \textrule with no argumet is equal to \textrule[bottom]
>
> There is a \domiddletextrule that does
>
> inbetween
> ------------
> inbetween
>
> but this is not interfaced with \textrule. It only becomes active
> inside a \starttextrule.
>
> \starttextrule{whatever}
> \input knuth
> \textrule
> \input knuth
> \stoptextrule
>
>
> To use this, you can define your own rule as
>
> \def\midtextrule{\dosinglegroupempty\domiddletextrule}
>
> \setuptextrules[inbetween={\blank[big]}]
>
> And midtextrule will use inbetween on both side.
>
> Hans, does it make sense to add this to core-rul?
>
> \def\complextextrule[#1]%
>    {\processaction
>       [#1]
>       [  \v!top=>\let\next\dotoptextrule,
>          \v!bottom=>\let\next\dobottomtextrule,
>          middle=>\let\next\domiddletextrule, %<------- Added
>        \s!default=>\let\next\dobottomtextrule,
>        \s!unknown=>\let\next\dobottomtextrule]%
>     \dosinglegroupempty\next}
>
>
> Aditya

Aditya,

thanks for this in-depth explanation! One mystery solved! I have now  
tweaked my output so it looks the way it should.

Best

Thomas