hyphenation blues

hyphenation blues

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

please have a look at the following unfairness:


\mainlanguage[en]
\enableregime[utf]
\showframe

\setupcolors[state=start]

\def\Textit%
{\groupedcommand\em\/}

\define[1]\Colorit%
   {\color[blue]{\groupedcommand\em\/ #1}}

\starttext

text text text text text text text text text text text text text text  
text text "\Textit{hyphenation}"

text text text text text text text text text text text text text text  
text text "\Colorit{hyphenation}"

\stoptext



Is there a trick to turn on hyphenation again?

Steffen
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Re: hyphenation blues

[Taco Hoekwater]

Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> 
> \def\Textit%
> {\groupedcommand\em\/}
> 

Try this:

\define\Colorit%
   {\groupedcommand{\color[blue]\em}\/}

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: hyphenation blues

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 24.09.2008 um 10:39 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:

>
>
> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> \def\Textit%
>> {\groupedcommand\em\/}
>
> Try this:
>
> \define\Colorit%
>  {\groupedcommand{\color[blue]\em}\/}


tried it ... but still no hyphenation!

Steffen
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Re: hyphenation blues

[Taco Hoekwater]

Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> Am 24.09.2008 um 10:39 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
> 
>>
>> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>> \def\Textit%
>>> {\groupedcommand\em\/}
>> Try this:
>>
>> \define\Colorit%
>>  {\groupedcommand{\color[blue]\em}\/}
> 
> 
> tried it ... but still no hyphenation!

You are running pdftex, 'cause it worked fine in mkiv :-)

\def\Colorit%
   {\groupedcommand{\color[red]\em\penalty10000\hskip0pt }\/}

The penalty and skip are needed because the \color generates
a node that prevents the next word from hyphenating.

Best wishes,
Taco



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Re: hyphenation blues

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 24.09.2008 um 12:57 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:

> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> Am 24.09.2008 um 10:39 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
>>
>>>
>>> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>> \def\Textit%
>>>> {\groupedcommand\em\/}
>>> Try this:
>>>
>>> \define\Colorit%
>>> {\groupedcommand{\color[blue]\em}\/}
>>
>>
>> tried it ... but still no hyphenation!
>
> You are running pdftex, 'cause it worked fine in mkiv :-)
>
> \def\Colorit%
>   {\groupedcommand{\color[red]\em\penalty10000\hskip0pt }\/}
>
> The penalty and skip are needed because the \color generates
> a node that prevents the next word from hyphenating.


I still got the blues!

It works fine for normal text, but try it in footnotes (test below)  
and you'll get in mkii:

! You can't use `\end' in internal vertical mode.
<recently read> \normalend



\mainlanguage[en]
\enableregime[utf]
\showframe

\setupcolors[state=start]

\def\Textit%
{\groupedcommand\em\/}

\def\Colorit%
   {\groupedcommand{\color[red]\em\penalty10000\hskip0pt }\/}

\starttext

test\footnote{text text text text text text text text text text text  
text text text text text text text text "\Textit{hyphenation}"}

test\footnote{text text text text text text text text text text text  
text text text text text text text text "\Colorit{hyphenation}"}

\stoptext



Steffen

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Re: hyphenation blues

[Taco Hoekwater]

Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> 
> ! You can't use `\end' in internal vertical mode.
> <recently read> \normalend

Jikes. Looks like that is because \color is a \groupedcommand  itself.
This works for this test file (and hopefully for everything  else):

\def\Colorit%
    {\groupedcommand
       {\startcolor[red]\em\penalty10000\hskip0pt }
       {\/\stopcolor}}

Best wishes,
Taco



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Re: hyphenation blues

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Am 24.09.2008 um 17:28 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:

> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>
>> ! You can't use `\end' in internal vertical mode.
>> <recently read> \normalend
>
> Jikes. Looks like that is because \color is a \groupedcommand  itself.
> This works for this test file (and hopefully for everything  else):
>
> \def\Colorit%
>    {\groupedcommand
>       {\startcolor[red]\em\penalty10000\hskip0pt }
>       {\/\stopcolor}}


works! and that from Hans too.

Hans ends with ... {\stopcolor\/}}
Tacos with ... {\/\stopcolor}}


Sorry, this is too sophisticated for me to figure out:

Which one is better, i.e. more robust?



Thanks you two!!

Steffen
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Re: hyphenation blues

[Hans Hagen]

Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> 
> Am 24.09.2008 um 17:28 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
> 
>> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>
>>> ! You can't use `\end' in internal vertical mode.
>>> <recently read> \normalend
>>
>> Jikes. Looks like that is because \color is a \groupedcommand  itself.
>> This works for this test file (and hopefully for everything  else):
>>
>> \def\Colorit%
>>    {\groupedcommand
>>       {\startcolor[red]\em\penalty10000\hskip0pt }
>>       {\/\stopcolor}}
> 
> 
> works! and that from Hans too.
> 
> Hans ends with ... {\stopcolor\/}}
> Tacos with ... {\/\stopcolor}}
> 
> 
> Sorry, this is too sophisticated for me to figure out:
> 
> Which one is better, i.e. more robust?

depends on how \/ is implemented, as lookback or lookforward, just see 
what works best

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Re: hyphenation blues

[Hans Hagen]

Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> Am 24.09.2008 um 12:57 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
> 
>> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>> Am 24.09.2008 um 10:39 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
>>>
>>>> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>>>>> \def\Textit%
>>>>> {\groupedcommand\em\/}
>>>> Try this:
>>>>
>>>> \define\Colorit%
>>>> {\groupedcommand{\color[blue]\em}\/}
>>>
>>> tried it ... but still no hyphenation!
>> You are running pdftex, 'cause it worked fine in mkiv :-)
>>
>> \def\Colorit%
>>   {\groupedcommand{\color[red]\em\penalty10000\hskip0pt }\/}
>>
>> The penalty and skip are needed because the \color generates
>> a node that prevents the next word from hyphenating.
> 
> 
> I still got the blues!
> 
> It works fine for normal text, but try it in footnotes (test below)  
> and you'll get in mkii:
> 
> ! You can't use `\end' in internal vertical mode.
> <recently read> \normalend
> 
> 
> 
> \mainlanguage[en]
> \enableregime[utf]
> \showframe
> 
> \setupcolors[state=start]
> 
> \def\Textit%
> {\groupedcommand\em\/}
> 
> \def\Colorit%
>    {\groupedcommand{\color[red]\em\penalty10000\hskip0pt }\/}

\color expects an argument

\def\Colorit%
   {\groupedcommand
      {\startcolor[red]\em\penalty10000\hskip\zeropoint}
      {\stopcolor\/}}

> \starttext
> 
> test\footnote{text text text text text text text text text text text  
> text text text text text text text text "\Textit{hyphenation}"}
> 
> test\footnote{text text text text text text text text text text text  
> text text text text text text text text "\Colorit{hyphenation}"}
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> 
> 
> Steffen
> 
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