* [NTG-context] Kerning in Noto Serif
@ 2024-06-06 7:41 Lutz Haseloff
2024-06-06 9:12 ` [NTG-context] " Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: Lutz Haseloff @ 2024-06-06 7:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi all,
I can't get Kerning working with Noto Serif.
My minimal file is:
\definefontfeature[oldstylenumber][onum=yes]
\definefont[testnoto][file:NotoSerif-Regular*default at 12pt]
\starttext
Line 1: {VAVAVAVAVAVA 12345}\par
Line 2: {\setff{oldstylenumber}VAVAVAVAVAVA 12345}\par
Line 3: {\addff{oldstylenumber}VAVAVAVAVAVA 12345}\par
\testnoto
Line 4: {VAVAVAVAVAVA 12345}\par
Line 5: {\setff{oldstylenumber}VAVAVAVAVAVA 12345}\par
Line 6: {\addff{oldstylenumber}VAVAVAVAVAVA 12345}\par
\stoptext
Line 4 and 6 should be significantly shorter too.
I tried the variable and the static versions.
In fontforge I can see a kerning of -80 between A and V.
My context is the newest lmtx.
Greetings Lutz
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2024-06-06 7:41 [NTG-context] Kerning in Noto Serif Lutz Haseloff
@ 2024-06-06 9:12 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
2024-06-06 10:21 ` Lutz Haseloff
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2024-06-06 9:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
Am 06.06.24 um 09:41 schrieb Lutz Haseloff:
> Hi all,
> I can't get Kerning working with Noto Serif.
> My minimal file is:
>
> \definefontfeature[oldstylenumber][onum=yes]
> \definefont[testnoto][file:NotoSerif-Regular*default at 12pt]
> \starttext
> Line 1: {VAVAVAVAVAVA 12345}\par
> Line 2: {\setff{oldstylenumber}VAVAVAVAVAVA 12345}\par
> Line 3: {\addff{oldstylenumber}VAVAVAVAVAVA 12345}\par
> \testnoto
> Line 4: {VAVAVAVAVAVA 12345}\par
> Line 5: {\setff{oldstylenumber}VAVAVAVAVAVA 12345}\par
> Line 6: {\addff{oldstylenumber}VAVAVAVAVAVA 12345}\par
> \stoptext
>
> Line 4 and 6 should be significantly shorter too.
> I tried the variable and the static versions.
> In fontforge I can see a kerning of -80 between A and V.
> My context is the newest lmtx.
For me, it looks good with ConTeXt v2024.05.31 and Noto Serif v.1.03
Just to check the font (yes, it has kerning):
$ mtxrun --script font --list --pattern=notoserifregular --info
mtx-fonts |
mtx-fonts | mapping : notoserifregular
mtx-fonts | fontname : notoserif
mtx-fonts | fullname : notoserif
mtx-fonts | filename : NotoSerif-Regular.ttf
mtx-fonts | family : notoserif
mtx-fonts | weight : normal
mtx-fonts | style : normal
mtx-fonts | width : normal
mtx-fonts | variant : normal
mtx-fonts |
mtx-fonts | gpos features:
mtx-fonts |
mtx-fonts | feature script languages
mtx-fonts |
mtx-fonts | kern cyrl dflt
mtx-fonts | grek dflt
mtx-fonts | latn dflt
mtx-fonts | mark cyrl dflt
mtx-fonts | grek dflt
mtx-fonts | latn dflt
mtx-fonts | mkmk cyrl dflt
mtx-fonts | grek dflt
mtx-fonts | latn dflt
mtx-fonts |
mtx-fonts | gsub features:
mtx-fonts |
mtx-fonts | feature script languages
mtx-fonts |
mtx-fonts | ccmp cyrl dflt
mtx-fonts | grek dflt
mtx-fonts | latn dflt
Hraban
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread* [NTG-context] Re: Kerning in Noto Serif
2024-06-06 9:12 ` [NTG-context] " Henning Hraban Ramm
@ 2024-06-06 10:21 ` Lutz Haseloff
2024-06-06 14:30 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Lutz Haseloff @ 2024-06-06 10:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
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Thanks Hraban,
my Noto Serif (just downloaded) is 2.013
--script font shows kern too:
kern cyrl dflt
dflt dflt
grek dflt
latn dflt
Greetings Lutz
Am 6. Juni 2024 11:12:18 MESZ schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net>:
>Am 06.06.24 um 09:41 schrieb Lutz Haseloff:
>> Hi all,
>> I can't get Kerning working with Noto Serif.
>> My minimal file is:
>>
>> \definefontfeature[oldstylenumber][onum=yes]
>> \definefont[testnoto][file:NotoSerif-Regular*default at 12pt]
>> \starttext
>> Line 1: {VAVAVAVAVAVA 12345}\par
>> Line 2: {\setff{oldstylenumber}VAVAVAVAVAVA 12345}\par
>> Line 3: {\addff{oldstylenumber}VAVAVAVAVAVA 12345}\par
>> \testnoto
>> Line 4: {VAVAVAVAVAVA 12345}\par
>> Line 5: {\setff{oldstylenumber}VAVAVAVAVAVA 12345}\par
>> Line 6: {\addff{oldstylenumber}VAVAVAVAVAVA 12345}\par
>> \stoptext
>>
>> Line 4 and 6 should be significantly shorter too.
>> I tried the variable and the static versions.
>> In fontforge I can see a kerning of -80 between A and V.
>> My context is the newest lmtx.
>
>For me, it looks good with ConTeXt v2024.05.31 and Noto Serif v.1.03
>
>Just to check the font (yes, it has kerning):
>
>$ mtxrun --script font --list --pattern=notoserifregular --info
>mtx-fonts |
>mtx-fonts | mapping : notoserifregular
>mtx-fonts | fontname : notoserif
>mtx-fonts | fullname : notoserif
>mtx-fonts | filename : NotoSerif-Regular.ttf
>mtx-fonts | family : notoserif
>mtx-fonts | weight : normal
>mtx-fonts | style : normal
>mtx-fonts | width : normal
>mtx-fonts | variant : normal
>mtx-fonts |
>mtx-fonts | gpos features:
>mtx-fonts |
>mtx-fonts | feature script languages
>mtx-fonts |
>mtx-fonts | kern cyrl dflt
>mtx-fonts | grek dflt
>mtx-fonts | latn dflt
>mtx-fonts | mark cyrl dflt
>mtx-fonts | grek dflt
>mtx-fonts | latn dflt
>mtx-fonts | mkmk cyrl dflt
>mtx-fonts | grek dflt
>mtx-fonts | latn dflt
>mtx-fonts |
>mtx-fonts | gsub features:
>mtx-fonts |
>mtx-fonts | feature script languages
>mtx-fonts |
>mtx-fonts | ccmp cyrl dflt
>mtx-fonts | grek dflt
>mtx-fonts | latn dflt
>
>Hraban
>
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread* [NTG-context] Re: Kerning in Noto Serif
2024-06-06 10:21 ` Lutz Haseloff
@ 2024-06-06 14:30 ` Hans Hagen
2024-06-06 18:03 ` Lutz Haseloff
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2024-06-06 14:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On 6/6/2024 12:21 PM, Lutz Haseloff wrote:
> Thanks Hraban,
>
> my Noto Serif (just downloaded) is 2.013
>
> --script font shows kern too:
> kern cyrl dflt
> dflt dflt
> grek dflt
> latn dflt
(^^ but not all steps are shared!)
I updates that font (updating noto is a pain .. there was a zip once,
now one has to download per font unless i miss something).
Indeed you don't get kerns out of the box. Try this:
\char42\char38
and you will see a kern. However, that's the 'shared portion' so in
order to get the rest you need to do:
\definefontfeature[default][default][script=latn]
as it looks like dflt/dflt is no longer does that ... keep in mind thta
fonts are not downward compatible so never update (or let your syetem do
it) in the middle of a project
Hans
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2024-06-06 14:30 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2024-06-06 18:03 ` Lutz Haseloff
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From: Lutz Haseloff @ 2024-06-06 18:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thanks Hans, works now as expected.
Am 6. Juni 2024 16:30:56 MESZ schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>:
>On 6/6/2024 12:21 PM, Lutz Haseloff wrote:
>> Thanks Hraban,
>>
>> my Noto Serif (just downloaded) is 2.013
>>
>> --script font shows kern too:
>> kern cyrl dflt
>> dflt dflt
>> grek dflt
>> latn dflt
>(^^ but not all steps are shared!)
>
>I updates that font (updating noto is a pain .. there was a zip once, now one has to download per font unless i miss something).
>
>Indeed you don't get kerns out of the box. Try this:
>
>\char42\char38
>
>and you will see a kern. However, that's the 'shared portion' so in order to get the rest you need to do:
>
>\definefontfeature[default][default][script=latn]
>
>as it looks like dflt/dflt is no longer does that ... keep in mind thta fonts are not downward compatible so never update (or let your syetem do it) in the middle of a project
>
>Hans
>
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