From: Oliver Buerschaper <oliver.buerschaper@mpq.mpg.de>
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Subject: Re: distro info
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:07:53 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <A1D677F8-F069-4DCB-AF2E-65170BE59F96@mpq.mpg.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <653FF68A-0886-4ECA-A87C-36D95138437A@uni-bonn.de>
>> If if you got it installed, you next will need a GUI for running
>> ConTeXt, and if some problem arises, you are further away from the
>> solution than ever.
>> :-(
>>
>> Sorry, you can't use TeX in a decent way if you can't use a shell
>> (AKA
>> command line AKA Terminal AKA DOS box).
>>
>> Otherwise we get a system where everything is configured "under the
>> hood" by some administrator - and you are in really bad luck if you
>> happen to be your own newborn administrator and read everywhere "if
>> you don't know what to fill in here, go ask your administrator".
>>
>> Please everyone try to become computer literate!
>> (see also works by Friedrich Kittler)
>>
> You took the words out of my mouth; I was going to write in a similar
> vein. Creating a GUI installer will only give false hopes to the
> "potentially large base of users." They may be able to install, but
> will soon run into trouble which can't be solved without a little
> knowledge of the command line, about paths and configuration files. If
> you're a billionaire, you could pay a couple dozen programmers to
> write a GUI for all these settings. But as long as no Mark
> Shuttleworth pops up, I think it would be better to avoid any
> misunderstandings. If you're allergic to the command line, TeX is not
> for you.
Actually, I strongly disagree with the opinion that the only way to
properly interact with TeX is via the command line.
Counter example: in Mac application development your IDE of choice
will almost certainly be Xcode. Although it delegates the entire
compilation process to gcc you *never* ever see the command line. And
there's no need to. All errors and warnings output by gcc are
intercepted and passed on to you via the graphical IDE and you won't
lose a tiny bit of information. In fact you gain a lot when trying to
track down a problem ...
Furthermore, in my humble opinion interaction with TeX should
concentrate on programming the actual typesetting language and not on
fumbling around with dozens of configuration files ... for instance,
if you develop applications you wouldn't want to reconfigure your
compiler twice a week either but rather focus on the source code *you*
write.
Oliver
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Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-06-10 14:36 Andrea Valle
2008-06-10 14:43 ` Andrea Valle
2008-06-10 15:29 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2008-06-10 15:30 ` Otared Kavian
2008-06-10 15:34 ` Hans Hagen
2008-06-10 17:21 ` David
2008-06-10 17:37 ` Hans Hagen
2008-06-10 20:31 ` Andrea Valle
2008-06-12 1:22 ` David
2008-06-12 7:51 ` Olivier Guéry
2008-06-12 8:58 ` Mojca Miklavec
2008-06-10 15:58 ` Mojca Miklavec
2008-06-10 20:27 ` Andrea Valle
2008-06-10 21:08 ` Mojca Miklavec
2008-06-11 12:09 ` Oliver Buerschaper
2008-06-11 14:55 ` Andrea Valle
2008-06-11 16:05 ` Mojca Miklavec
2008-06-11 16:55 ` Andrea Valle
2008-06-11 20:43 ` Jesse Alama
2008-06-12 9:00 ` Andrea Valle
2008-06-13 16:40 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
2008-06-13 17:08 ` Andrea Valle
2008-06-13 18:01 ` Mojca Miklavec
2008-06-13 18:20 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
2008-06-13 18:26 ` Matthias Weber
2008-06-13 19:23 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
2008-06-13 17:57 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2008-06-14 11:07 ` Oliver Buerschaper [this message]
2008-06-14 11:35 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2008-06-14 13:57 ` Andrea Valle
2008-06-14 17:36 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2008-06-14 21:38 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
2008-06-14 23:32 ` Charles P. Schaum
2008-06-14 14:19 ` Oliver Buerschaper
2008-06-14 16:35 ` Jesse Alama
2008-06-14 18:59 ` Mojca Miklavec
2008-06-14 23:05 ` Diego Depaoli
2008-06-15 0:41 ` Charles P. Schaum
2008-06-15 1:36 ` Matthias Weber
2008-06-15 9:40 ` Andrea Valle
2008-06-30 5:27 ` Jesse Alama
2008-06-30 7:03 ` Alan Stone
2008-06-30 8:20 ` Mojca Miklavec
2008-06-30 16:21 ` George N. White III
2008-06-14 11:48 ` Andrea Valle
2008-06-14 13:55 ` John Culleton
2008-06-17 16:02 ` searchable pdf in mkii, usepdffontresource stub Oleg Kolosov
2008-06-17 16:34 ` Hans Hagen
2008-06-17 18:55 ` Oleg Kolosov
2008-06-17 19:13 ` Hans Hagen
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