From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/41673 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Oliver Buerschaper Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: distro info Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:07:53 +0200 Message-ID: References: <6faad9f00806100858m332b0c18w1726368830a29a3c@mail.gmail.com> <46D24799-264A-4AFE-9089-A63F4226985C@mpq.mpg.de> <8687593C-CFC0-4F6A-9EA2-091FC7CBB2CC@di.unito.it> <6faad9f00806110905q32b9c142t6af44f2edf85adbf@mail.gmail.com> <4F0FF6A1-CBA4-455D-80A5-785E59607044@di.unito.it> <181B45FF-223C-4CBB-8909-F4C9BB2E0C5B@fiee.net> <653FF68A-0886-4ECA-A87C-36D95138437A@uni-bonn.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v924) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1213441767 27015 80.91.229.12 (14 Jun 2008 11:09:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:09:27 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sat Jun 14 13:10:11 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K7Te6-00011T-TS for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:10:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F231FC00; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:09:14 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05573-02-4; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:08:32 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A7F1FBCB; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:08:32 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065011FBC5 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:08:31 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05589-03-4 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:07:53 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from post.rzg.mpg.de (post.rzg.mpg.de [130.183.7.21]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89CA1FBD0 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:07:53 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [192.168.0.2] (f053224056.adsl.alicedsl.de [78.53.224.56]) by post.rzg.mpg.de (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA2301978 for ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:07:53 +0200 X-Envelope-To: In-Reply-To: <653FF68A-0886-4ECA-A87C-36D95138437A@uni-bonn.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.924) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:41673 Archived-At: >> If if you got it installed, you next will need a GUI for running >> ConTeXt, and if some problem arises, you are further away from the >> solution than ever. >> :-( >> >> Sorry, you can't use TeX in a decent way if you can't use a shell >> (AKA >> command line AKA Terminal AKA DOS box). >> >> Otherwise we get a system where everything is configured "under the >> hood" by some administrator - and you are in really bad luck if you >> happen to be your own newborn administrator and read everywhere "if >> you don't know what to fill in here, go ask your administrator". >> >> Please everyone try to become computer literate! >> (see also works by Friedrich Kittler) >> > You took the words out of my mouth; I was going to write in a similar > vein. Creating a GUI installer will only give false hopes to the > "potentially large base of users." They may be able to install, but > will soon run into trouble which can't be solved without a little > knowledge of the command line, about paths and configuration files. If > you're a billionaire, you could pay a couple dozen programmers to > write a GUI for all these settings. But as long as no Mark > Shuttleworth pops up, I think it would be better to avoid any > misunderstandings. If you're allergic to the command line, TeX is not > for you. Actually, I strongly disagree with the opinion that the only way to properly interact with TeX is via the command line. Counter example: in Mac application development your IDE of choice will almost certainly be Xcode. Although it delegates the entire compilation process to gcc you *never* ever see the command line. And there's no need to. All errors and warnings output by gcc are intercepted and passed on to you via the graphical IDE and you won't lose a tiny bit of information. In fact you gain a lot when trying to track down a problem ... Furthermore, in my humble opinion interaction with TeX should concentrate on programming the actual typesetting language and not on fumbling around with dozens of configuration files ... for instance, if you develop applications you wouldn't want to reconfigure your compiler twice a week either but rather focus on the source code *you* write. 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