Re: texshow

Re: texshow

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

On 4 Dec 2009 at 12:00, ntg-context-request@ntg.nl wrote:

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Datum:   	Fri, 04 Dec 2009 12:00:03 +0100

> >>> I can't find a file 'texshow.pl' anymore at my context tree.
> >>> Is the file excluded in actual minimals?
> >> 
> >> mtxrun --script server --auto
> > 
> > I tried to use this command under windows 2000 scite (console).
> > The process does not do anything obvious. I have killed it after
> some 
> > time.
> 
> There should be a line like
> 
> MTXrun | context services:
> http://localhost:31415/mtx-server-ctx-startup.lua

There is no output at all.

> in the terminal, you can copy the link and use it in your browser to
> run texshow.

This works. 
But this is blocking the scite-console, which I need for a couple of 
other things.

Can I  P L E A S E  have my good old texshow.pl back?

Wolfgang
> 

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Re: texshow

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 04.12.2009 um 16:57 schrieb Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini:

> Can I  P L E A S E  have my good old texshow.pl back?

Not texshow but at least a overview over all documented commands:
http://pragma-ade.com/download-5.htm

Wolfgang

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Re: bibliography authoryears problem

[Michael Green]

On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:00 AM, ntg-context-request@ntg.nl wrote:

>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:23:13 +0100
> From: Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com>
> To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] bibliography authoryears problem
> Message-ID: <4B18C6F1.5090803@elvenkind.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Michael Green wrote:
>> When using refcommand=authoryears and Mk IV the first reference is
>> formatted incorrectly.
>>
>> There is the left parenthesis, then a line break, then the rest of  
>> the
>> reference followed by the right parenthesis.
>
> Here is the cause: the first \cite in mkiv internally runs
> \usepublications[\jobname]. This inputs bib-test.bbl, which
> contains a \par, and that is where the new line comes from.
>
> A workaround is to add
>
>   \usepublications[\jobname]
>
> in the document preamble.
>
> It works in mkii because in mkii, that command is executed at
> \starttext.
>
> For Hans: perhaps \usemodule[bib] should run the command? I know that
> is supposed to be obsolete, but I assume you do not want to use the
> odd logic from mkii in mkiv.
>
> Best wishes,
> Taco
>

That solves both the problems I noted. Thanks!

mjg
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Re: bibliography authoryears problem

[Hans Hagen]

Michael Green wrote:
> On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:00 AM, ntg-context-request@ntg.nl wrote:
> 
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:23:13 +0100
>> From: Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com>
>> To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
>> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] bibliography authoryears problem
>> Message-ID: <4B18C6F1.5090803@elvenkind.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Michael Green wrote:
>>> When using refcommand=authoryears and Mk IV the first reference is
>>> formatted incorrectly.
>>>
>>> There is the left parenthesis, then a line break, then the rest of the
>>> reference followed by the right parenthesis.
>>
>> Here is the cause: the first \cite in mkiv internally runs
>> \usepublications[\jobname]. This inputs bib-test.bbl, which
>> contains a \par, and that is where the new line comes from.
>>
>> A workaround is to add
>>
>>   \usepublications[\jobname]
>>
>> in the document preamble.
>>
>> It works in mkii because in mkii, that command is executed at
>> \starttext.
>>
>> For Hans: perhaps \usemodule[bib] should run the command? I know that
>> is supposed to be obsolete, but I assume you do not want to use the
>> odd logic from mkii in mkiv.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Taco
>>
> 
> That solves both the problems I noted. Thanks!

\unprotect

\def\dousepublications#1%
   {\doonlyonce{#1.\f!bibextension}
      {\let\@@savedpar\par
       \let\par\ignorespaces
       \ifhmode\kern\zeropoint\fi
       \readfile{#1.\f!bibextension}
         {\showmessage\m!publications{4}{#1.\f!bibextension}}
         {\showmessage\m!publications{2}{#1.\f!bibextension}}%
       \ifhmode\removeunwantedspaces\fi
       \let\par\@@savedpar}}

\protect

should also work ... the reason for the automatic loading is that it 
circumvents problems with projects, products, components etc where 
settings can come after teh first starttext so that's not the best hook 
then

of course implicit loading as suggested by taco is the best


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Re: bibliography authoryears problem

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 04.12.2009 um 19:32 schrieb Hans Hagen:

> \def\dousepublications#1%
>  {\doonlyonce{#1.\f!bibextension}
>     {\let\@@savedpar\par
>      \let\par\ignorespaces
>      \ifhmode\kern\zeropoint\fi
>      \readfile{#1.\f!bibextension}
>        {\showmessage\m!publications{4}{#1.\f!bibextension}}
>        {\showmessage\m!publications{2}{#1.\f!bibextension}}%
>      \ifhmode\removeunwantedspaces\fi
>      \let\par\@@savedpar}}

why not \let\par\normalpar

Wolfgang


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Re: bibliography authoryears problem

[Hans Hagen]

Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Am 04.12.2009 um 19:32 schrieb Hans Hagen:
> 
>> \def\dousepublications#1%
>>  {\doonlyonce{#1.\f!bibextension}
>>     {\let\@@savedpar\par
>>      \let\par\ignorespaces
>>      \ifhmode\kern\zeropoint\fi
>>      \readfile{#1.\f!bibextension}
>>        {\showmessage\m!publications{4}{#1.\f!bibextension}}
>>        {\showmessage\m!publications{2}{#1.\f!bibextension}}%
>>      \ifhmode\removeunwantedspaces\fi
>>      \let\par\@@savedpar}}
> 
> why not \let\par\normalpar

actually i had that but then i was not sure if par might have been 
redefined as a \cite command can occure anywhere; it's also why we 
cannot use grouping ... or use

\startnointerference
\globaldefs\plusone
...
\stopnointerference

actually, it's not the \startpublication that is the problem as we can 
add \ignorespaces at the end, or use tricks that need grouping as they 
are defined global anyway, but it's the \setuppublciations in the bbl 
file that interferes

Hans

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Re: texshow

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

On 4 Dec 2009 at 16:59, ntg-context-request@ntg.nl wrote:

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Datum:   	Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:59:48 +0100

> > Can I  P L E A S E  have my good old texshow.pl back?
> 
> Not texshow but at least a overview over all documented commands:
> http://pragma-ade.com/download-5.htm

Is it possible to include a second XML-File (for the missing 
commands) in the process which generates 'setup-en.pdf'? I don't like 
to mix this.

With texshow there was an option to include an other second XML-File 
with examples. Is this possible too?


Gruß, Wolfgang
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Re: texshow

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

On 3 Dec 2009 at 18:50, ntg-context-request@ntg.nl wrote:

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> > I can't find a file 'texshow.pl' anymore at my context tree.
> > Is the file excluded in actual minimals?
> 
> mtxrun --script server --auto

I tried to use this command under windows 2000 scite (console).
The process does not do anything obvious. I have killed it after some 
time.

Can I download 'texshow.pl' somewhere?

Gruß, Wolfgang
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Re: texshow

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 03.12.2009 um 23:02 schrieb Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini:

>>> I can't find a file 'texshow.pl' anymore at my context tree.
>>> Is the file excluded in actual minimals?
>> 
>> mtxrun --script server --auto
> 
> I tried to use this command under windows 2000 scite (console).
> The process does not do anything obvious. I have killed it after some 
> time.

There should be a line like

MTXrun | context services: http://localhost:31415/mtx-server-ctx-startup.lua

in the terminal, you can copy the link and use it in your browser to run texshow.

Wolfgang

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Re: texshow

[luigi scarso]

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Wolfgang Schuster
<schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Am 03.12.2009 um 23:02 schrieb Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini:
>
>>>> I can't find a file 'texshow.pl' anymore at my context tree.
>>>> Is the file excluded in actual minimals?
>>>
>>> mtxrun --script server --auto
>>
>> I tried to use this command under windows 2000 scite (console).
>> The process does not do anything obvious. I have killed it after some
>> time.
>
> There should be a line like
>
> MTXrun | context services: http://localhost:31415/mtx-server-ctx-startup.lua
I see the server up, but fonttest does an empty list even after extra
--> rebuild database
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Re: texshow

[Hans Hagen]

luigi scarso wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Wolfgang Schuster
> <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Am 03.12.2009 um 23:02 schrieb Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini:
>>
>>>>> I can't find a file 'texshow.pl' anymore at my context tree.
>>>>> Is the file excluded in actual minimals?
>>>> mtxrun --script server --auto
>>> I tried to use this command under windows 2000 scite (console).
>>> The process does not do anything obvious. I have killed it after some
>>> time.
>> There should be a line like
>>
>> MTXrun | context services: http://localhost:31415/mtx-server-ctx-startup.lua
> I see the server up, but fonttest does an empty list even after extra
> --> rebuild database

ah, yes, i need to adapt it to the font database structure .. so keep 
reminding me

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texshow

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

Hallo,

I can't find a file 'texshow.pl' anymore at my context tree.
Is the file excluded in actual minimals?

Wolfgang
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Re: texshow

[Hans Hagen]

Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote:
> Hallo,
> 
> I can't find a file 'texshow.pl' anymore at my context tree.
> Is the file excluded in actual minimals?

mtxrun --script server --auto



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Re: texshow (was: keywords)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Henning Hraban Ramm <hraban@fiee.net> wrote:

> Am Freitag, 03.10.03, um 16:59 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Hans Hagen:
> 
> >> But where can I find "texshow"? Do you also have an URL?
> >
> > on your disk -)
> > did you try >texshow ?
> 
> BTW: On MacOS X one can use texshow only with X11 (there's no Perl/Tk 
> for Aqua).
> Is there a way to increase font size? It's unreadable small (only on 
> X11/OSX, Win and Lin are ok).
> I guess there's some standard X11 parameter?


OK, use only with X11.

So I started X11 and entered texshow in xterm:
Can't locate Tk.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/context/perltk/ /System/Library/Perl/darwin /System/Library/Perl /Library/Perl/darwin /Library/Perl /Network/Library/Perl/darwin /Network/Library/Perl .) at /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/context/perltk//cont_set.pm line 59.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/context/perltk//cont_set.pm line 59.
Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/context/perltk/texshow.pl line 57.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/context/perltk/texshow.pl line 57.

Does anybody has an advice on how to use actually texshow?

Steffen

Re: texshow

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am Samstag, 04.10.03, um 09:42 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Steffen 
Wolfrum:

>> BTW: On MacOS X one can use texshow only with X11 (there's no Perl/Tk
>> for Aqua).
>> Is there a way to increase font size? It's unreadable small (only on
>> X11/OSX, Win and Lin are ok).
>> I guess there's some standard X11 parameter?
>
>
> OK, use only with X11.
>
> So I started X11 and entered texshow in xterm:
> Can't locate Tk.pm in @INC (@INC contains: 
> /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/context/perltk/ 
> /System/Library/Perl/Does anybody has an advice on how to use actually 
> texshow?

Do you have developer tools installed? You need make, gcc etc. for 
compiling the module(s).

perl -MCPAN -eshell

((
Enters Perl CPAN shell mode.
I think you must answer some installation questions of Perl Module CPAN.
And probably you must install LWP (LibWWWPerl) before Tk...
If it doesn't work try "force install" instead of "install"
))

install Bundle::LWP
install Tk
quit


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TeXshow

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Well, I find TeXShow a good source of information for quick references;
I'd like to point a couple of facts, though:

1) the tws files seem a little outdated to me; maybe they need to be
regenerated ... and generally speaking, how do you create the tws files
relative to formats not already provided? [esp. the experimental ones]
2) is there a way to call TeXShow from the command line in such a way
that it reuses exisisting windows (if present)?
3) the kind of information displayed by TeXShow is extremely compat---
I would dare to say too compact: in some cases it's difficult to say
which parameter does what---ok, TeXShow is intended for quick-reference,
so the user should already know what does what, but still ... I prefere
browsing the commands using it, rather than the interactive [or printable]
reference manual.

Giuseppe Bilotta

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 misinterpretation of the mailing list]

Re: TeXshow

[Taco Hoekwater]

Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
> 
> Well, I find TeXShow a good source of information for quick references;
> I'd like to point a couple of facts, though:
> 
> 1) the tws files seem a little outdated to me; maybe they need to be
> regenerated ... and generally speaking, how do you create the tws files
> relative to formats not already provided? [esp. the experimental ones]

I think Hans has a perl script that creates the tws files from the
same setup files that define the commands in the manual (setupb & 
mult-con/mult-com).

As a side note: I'd be very happy with a version that uses the
internal macro names. ConTeXt internals are a mixture of dutch 
and english. While writing modules, I want the module to work in 
every language, so I quite often need the internal name of the command 
instead of the interface specific one. Example: \blank is internally 
defined as \blanko (dutch), but \setupbodyfont is defined as 
\setupbodyfont (english).

> 2) is there a way to call TeXShow from the command line in such a way
> that it reuses exisisting windows (if present)?

No. I'm not even sure Tk allows that kind of trickery.

> 3) the kind of information displayed by TeXShow is extremely compat---
> I would dare to say too compact: in some cases it's difficult to say
> which parameter does what---ok, TeXShow is intended for quick-reference,
> so the user should already know what does what, but still ... I prefere
> browsing the commands using it, rather than the interactive [or printable]
> reference manual.

Agree. Some sort of comment field within the \startsetup \stopsetup
would be
very helpful.

TeXshow also has a number of speed issues ;)

-- 
groeten,

Taco

Re: TeXshow

[Hans Hagen]

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At 09:01 AM 2/8/01 +0100, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I find TeXShow a good source of information for quick references;
>> I'd like to point a couple of facts, though:
>> 
>> 1) the tws files seem a little outdated to me; maybe they need to be
>> regenerated ... and generally speaking, how do you create the tws files
>> relative to formats not already provided? [esp. the experimental ones]
>
>I think Hans has a perl script that creates the tws files from the
>same setup files that define the commands in the manual (setupb & 
>mult-con/mult-com).

No. Just the undocumented crap file setup.d.tex (attached). Run it with 

  texexec --interface=.. setupd 

and you will get the file. When i have a 4.5 gig pentium 6 laptop, i will
start generating them automatically. 

>As a side note: I'd be very happy with a version that uses the
>internal macro names. ConTeXt internals are a mixture of dutch 

should be doable; i'll have a look at it when i start patching texshow (i
managed to get perl/tk working again so i will pick up that thread). 

>No. I'm not even sure Tk allows that kind of trickery.

i think that you're right; i also found out that there have been some
changes in font sizes, function key handling and alike, sigh. 

>> 3) the kind of information displayed by TeXShow is extremely compat---
>> I would dare to say too compact: in some cases it's difficult to say
>> which parameter does what---ok, TeXShow is intended for quick-reference,
>> so the user should already know what does what, but still ... I prefere
>> browsing the commands using it, rather than the interactive [or printable]
>> reference manual.
>
>Agree. Some sort of comment field within the \startsetup \stopsetup
>would be
>very helpful.
>
>TeXshow also has a number of speed issues ;)

I know -) and have the list of patches. [maybe i should start using texshow
myself; actually, texshow was written to be part of texwork, which i will
finish some day soon too] 

Hans

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\copymessage \c!reference!      *      {reference}
\copymessage \c!plural!         *      {plural}
\copymessage \c!singular!       *      {singular}
\copymessage \c!text!           *      {text}
\copymessage \c!formula!        *      {formula}
\copymessage \c!font!           *      {file}
\copymessage \c!matrix!         *      {matrix}
\copymessage \c!list!           *      {list}
\copymessage \c!section!        *      {section}
\copymessage \c!noargument!     \empty {command}
\copymessage \c!oneargument!    \empty {command}
\copymessage \c!twoarguments!   \empty {command}
\copymessage \c!threearguments! \empty {command}

\edef\c!noargument!    {*\@EA\string\csname\c!noargument!    \endcsname}
\edef\c!oneargument!   {*\@EA\string\csname\c!oneargument!   \endcsname\string#1}
\edef\c!twoarguments!  {*\@EA\string\csname\c!twoarguments!  \endcsname\string#1\string#2}
\edef\c!threearguments!{*\@EA\string\csname\c!threearguments!\endcsname\string#1\string#2\string#3}

\def\subsetup#1{/#1}
\f
\beginTEX 

\def\getinterfaceconstant#1%
  {\ifinterfacetranslation
     \ifx\csname\x!prefix!#1\endcsname\relax
       #1%
     \else
       \csname\x!prefix!#1\endcsname
     \fi
   \else
     #1%
   \fi}

\def\getinterfacevariable#1%
  {\ifinterfacetranslation
     \ifx\csname\y!prefix!#1\endcsname\relax
       #1%
     \else
       \csname\y!prefix!#1\endcsname
     \fi
   \else
     #1%
   \fi}

\endTEX

\beginETEX \ifcsname

\def\getinterfaceconstant#1%
  {\ifinterfacetranslation
     \ifcsname\x!prefix!#1\endcsname
       \csname\x!prefix!#1\endcsname
     \else
       #1%
     \fi
   \else
     #1%
   \fi}

\def\getinterfacevariable#1%
  {\ifinterfacetranslation
     \ifcsname\y!prefix!#1\endcsname
       \csname\y!prefix!#1\endcsname
     \else
       #1%
     \fi
   \else
     #1%
   \fi}

\endETEX
\f
\def\c!repeat! {repeat/} % {n*}
\def\c!arg!    {arg/}    % {{...}:}
\def\c!args!   {args/}   % {{..,...,..}:}
\def\c!dis!    {dis/}    % {$$...$$:}
\def\c!idx!    {idx/}    % {{...}:}
\def\c!idxs!   {idxs/}   % {{..+...+..}:}
\def\c!mat!    {mat/}    % {$...$:}
\def\c!nop!    {nop/}    % {...:}            
\def\c!fil!    {fil/}    % {...:}            
\def\c!pos!    {pos/}    % {(...):}
\def\c!poss!   {poss/}   % {(...,...):}
\def\c!sep!    {sep/}    % {\string\\:}
\def\c!ref!    {ref/}    % {[ref]:}
\def\c!refs!   {refs/}   % {[ref,..]:}
\def\c!val!    {val/}    % {[...]:}
\def\c!vals!   {vals/}   % {[..,...,..]:}
\def\c!var!    {var/}    % {[..=..]:} 
\def\c!vars!   {vars/}   % {[..,..=..,..]:}
\def\c!cmd!    {cmd/}    % {\string\xxx:}
\def\c!dest!   {dest/}   % {[..ref]:}
\def\c!dests!  {dests/}  % {[..,..refs,..]:}
\def\c!trip!   {trip/}   % {[x:y:z=]:}
\def\c!trips!  {trips/}  % {[x:y:z=,..]:}
\def\c!wrd!    {wrd/}    % {{...}:}
\def\c!wrds!   {wrds/}   % {{.. ... ..}:}
\def\c!par!    {par/}    % {\string\par:}
\def\c!stp!    {stp/}    % {stop:}
\def\c!tex!    {tex/}    % {\string\cs:}

\def\c!or!     {}        % tzt or 

\def\c!opt!    {}        %
\def\c!optint! {}        %
\def\c!alwint! {}        %

% wrapper 

\def\startsetupfile
  {\immediate\openout\scratchwrite=cont-\currentlanguage.tws }

\def\stopsetupfile
  {\immediate\closeout\scratchwrite}

\let\documenteduntilhere\relax

\long\def\startsetup#1\stopsetup % the :'s serve as breakpoints
  {\bgroup
   \long\def\command         [##1]%
     {\immediate\write\scratchwrite{com:##1:}}%
   \long\def\type            [##1]%
     {\immediate\write\scratchwrite{typ:##1:}}%
   \long\def\value           [##1]##2[##3]%
     {\immediate\write\scratchwrite{val:##1:##3:}}%
   \long\def\variable        [##1]##2[##3]##4[##5]%
     {\convertsetupdata{##5}\ascii
      \edef\temp{\getinterfaceconstant{##1}}%
      \immediate\write\scratchwrite{var:\temp:##3:\ascii:}}%
   \long\def\inheritvalues   [##1]##2[##3]%
     {\immediate\write\scratchwrite{ivl:##1:##3:}}%
   \long\def\inheritvariables[##1]##2[##3]%
     {\convertsetupdata{##3}\ascii
      \immediate\write\scratchwrite{ivr:##1:\ascii:}}%
   \immediate\write\scratchwrite{startsetup}%
   #1%
   \immediate\write\scratchwrite{stopsetup}%
   \immediate\write\scratchwrite{}%
   \egroup}

\let\stopsetup\relax

\def\convertsetupdata#1#2% only accept #1=\v!whatever
  {\doifsystemconstantelse{#1}{\edef#2{#1}}{\let#2\empty}}

\input setupb 

\protect

\end

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Re: TeXshow

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

> >
> >I think Hans has a perl script that creates the tws files from the
> >same setup files that define the commands in the manual (setupb & 
> >mult-con/mult-com).
> 
> No. Just the undocumented crap file setup.d.tex (attached). Run it with 
> 
>   texexec --interface=.. setupd 
> 

Done. Works.

Well, except that whatever interface I choose I always get
cont-en.tws (even if the contents are the correct ones; I just need
to rename it to cont-[interface].tws).

Btw, playing with TeXShow I found a bug related to commands having
the same names in all languages: the first language with that command
is selected! An example:

\mar is \mar in de, nl, en, it but \okr in cz

If I'm browsing the italian interface and select \mar I get the
correct description; but if I then want to change interface
(e.g. to know how "\mar" is called in english) I end up
in the german interface, which I don't want.

Also, if I run "texshow mar it" I end up in cont-de again
(I assume that the same routine is causing the error)

And one more: I created cont-it.tws, it works fine, but it still says
"command", "dimension" etc instead of the italian forms; which file should
I localize? [and btw, Hans, did you receive my mail with the localizations
bug fixes for italian?]

Giuseppe Bilotta

Using Microsoft products is like 
having sex without condoms---but
much less pleasurable

Re: TeXshow

[Ed L Cashin]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

> At 09:01 AM 2/8/01 +0100, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> >TeXshow also has a number of speed issues ;)
> 
> I know -) and have the list of patches. [maybe i should start using texshow
> myself; actually, texshow was written to be part of texwork, which i will
> finish some day soon too] 

I'm curious: what do you mean by the list of patches?  

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Re: TeXshow

[Hans Hagen]

At 09:29 AM 2/8/01 -0500, Ed L Cashin wrote:
>Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
>
>> At 09:01 AM 2/8/01 +0100, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>> >TeXshow also has a number of speed issues ;)
>> 
>> I know -) and have the list of patches. [maybe i should start using texshow
>> myself; actually, texshow was written to be part of texwork, which i will
>> finish some day soon too] 
>
>I'm curious: what do you mean by the list of patches?  

taco an tobias send me some mails about texshow with suggestions (which are
still sitting somewhere in the 300 todo mailbox). 

Hans
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Re: TeXshow

[Hans Hagen]

At 03:11 PM 2/7/01 +0100, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
>Well, I find TeXShow a good source of information for quick references;
>I'd like to point a couple of facts, though:
>
>1) the tws files seem a little outdated to me; maybe they need to be
>regenerated ... and generally speaking, how do you create the tws files
>relative to formats not already provided? [esp. the experimental ones]
>2) is there a way to call TeXShow from the command line in such a way
>that it reuses exisisting windows (if present)?
>3) the kind of information displayed by TeXShow is extremely compat---
>I would dare to say too compact: in some cases it's difficult to say
>which parameter does what---ok, TeXShow is intended for quick-reference,
>so the user should already know what does what, but still ... I prefere
>browsing the commands using it, rather than the interactive [or printable]
>reference manual.

I will pick up the interface documentation thread as soon as i have xml
support stable, which is needed to process the multilingual mixed interface
documentaion. 

Hans  
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Re: TeXshow

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

> I will pick up the interface documentation thread as soon as i have xml
> support stable, which is needed to process the multilingual mixed interface
> documentaion. 

By the way, what about ConTeXt-documentation? Dead? Or simply
no more news on that front, still?

Giuseppe Bilotta

Using Microsoft products is like 
having sex without condoms---but
much less pleasurable

texshow

[Hans Hagen]

Hi, 

I got some feature requests for texshow, but my current win98 activestate
perl installation segfaults on perltk, so i ask for a bit patience. 

Hans
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