* Re: Question to covers [not found] <20180728081230.GA31599@akela.mendelu.cz> @ 2018-07-28 9:15 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2018-07-28 10:01 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-07-28 9:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Tomas Hala, mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 2018-07-28 um 10:12 schrieb Tomas Hala <tomas.hala@mendelu.cz>: > Hi Hraban, Wolfgang and Hans, > nobody else reacted so I am writing Better keep this on the list. > Thanks to Hraban for the code and Wolfgang for its revision, it's a good > material how to work with layers, measures (I'll inspire by it) etc. You’re welcome. > 1. Is a ConTeXt layer accepted as a whole in commercial Acrobat, or is it > visible as a heap of small objects? Or is it "only" better for more > comfortable manipulation in ConTeXt? I don’t understand the question. A ConTeXt layer is not a PDF layer. All the objects are manipulatable in Acrobat Pro (or another PDF editor), there’s no grouping on the PDF level. > 2. Is better to write it as much as possible at ConTeXt level (as Hraban or > Wolfgang did), or is better to write it in lua? There is more than dozen > measures... Also more computations are required and they are different > for different kinds of covers (book bindings). I guess it’s a matter of taste. Of course calculations are easier in Lua, but in my image placement macros I struggled a lot with numbers vs. measures/dimensions, regardless if in Lua or on the TeX level. Greetlings, Hraban --- https://www.fiee.net http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Question to covers 2018-07-28 9:15 ` Question to covers Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-07-28 10:01 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2018-07-28 10:30 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-07-28 10:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 2018-07-28 um 11:15 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net>: > Am 2018-07-28 um 10:12 schrieb Tomas Hala <tomas.hala@mendelu.cz>: >> 1. Is a ConTeXt layer accepted as a whole in commercial Acrobat, or is it >> visible as a heap of small objects? Or is it "only" better for more >> comfortable manipulation in ConTeXt? > > I don’t understand the question. > A ConTeXt layer is not a PDF layer. > All the objects are manipulatable in Acrobat Pro (or another PDF editor), > there’s no grouping on the PDF level. If you need PDF layers, there are "viewer layers" in ConTeXt: \defineviewerlayer[Ebene] \setupviewerlayer[Ebene][ state=start, visible=no, title=Test, ] \starttext Text \startviewerlayer[Ebene] {\bfa TOP SECRET} \stopviewerlayer More Text \stoptext AFAIK completely undocumented, I found them at http://source.contextgarden.net/tex/context/base/mkiv/attr-lay.mkiv while tracking effects/properties (where these were implemented first). While the example above works, I don’t get viewer layers in my current project, must investigate... And then, if the combination of ConTeXt layers and viewer layers works (\setlayer within \start/stopviewerlayer?). Greetlings, Hraban --- https://www.fiee.net http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Question to covers 2018-07-28 10:01 ` Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-07-28 10:30 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2018-07-28 11:03 ` Viewer layers (was: Question to covers) Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2018-07-28 10:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Henning Hraban Ramm Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 28.07.18 um 12:01: > Am 2018-07-28 um 11:15 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net>: > >> Am 2018-07-28 um 10:12 schrieb Tomas Hala <tomas.hala@mendelu.cz>: >>> 1. Is a ConTeXt layer accepted as a whole in commercial Acrobat, or is it >>> visible as a heap of small objects? Or is it "only" better for more >>> comfortable manipulation in ConTeXt? >> I don’t understand the question. >> A ConTeXt layer is not a PDF layer. >> All the objects are manipulatable in Acrobat Pro (or another PDF editor), >> there’s no grouping on the PDF level. > If you need PDF layers, there are "viewer layers" in ConTeXt: > > \defineviewerlayer[Ebene] > \setupviewerlayer[Ebene][ > state=start, > visible=no, > title=Test, > ] > > \starttext > > Text > > \startviewerlayer[Ebene] > {\bfa TOP SECRET} > \stopviewerlayer > > More Text > > \stoptext > > AFAIK completely undocumented, I found them at http://source.contextgarden.net/tex/context/base/mkiv/attr-lay.mkiv > while tracking effects/properties (where these were implemented first). > > While the example above works, I don’t get viewer layers in my current project, must investigate... > And then, if the combination of ConTeXt layers and viewer layers works (\setlayer within \start/stopviewerlayer?). You have to put the viewerlayer command within the the \setlayer argument. Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Viewer layers (was: Question to covers) 2018-07-28 10:30 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2018-07-28 11:03 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-07-28 11:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 2018-07-28 um 12:30 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster <wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com>: >> AFAIK completely undocumented, I found them at http://source.contextgarden.net/tex/context/base/mkiv/attr-lay.mkiv >> while tracking effects/properties (where these were implemented first). >> >> While the example above works, I don’t get viewer layers in my current project, must investigate... >> And then, if the combination of ConTeXt layers and viewer layers works (\setlayer within \start/stopviewerlayer?). > > You have to put the viewerlayer command within the the \setlayer argument. Thank you! I just found it in http://source.contextgarden.net/tex/context/base/mkiv/meta-ini.mkiv?search=viewerlayer Also created a wiki page: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Viewer_Layers I still don’t get layers working in my big project. Thought it might be "scope=global", but that didn’t help. Are there any settings that might influence viewer layers? Greetlings, Hraban --- https://www.fiee.net http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Question to covers @ 2018-07-20 15:16 Tomas Hala 2018-07-20 18:49 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Tomas Hala @ 2018-07-20 15:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi all, I would like to ask whether we have got some module or macros for comfortable proposing of covers for different kinds of binding, containing automatic computation of the corresponding measurments and displaying the parts for bookbinders (eg cutting lines, protection zones, bends, pasting parts etc.) The best, Tomáš ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Question to covers 2018-07-20 15:16 Question to covers Tomas Hala @ 2018-07-20 18:49 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2018-07-21 15:39 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-07-20 18:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 798 bytes --] Am 2018-07-20 um 17:16 schrieb Tomas Hala <tomas.hala@mendelu.cz>: > I would like to ask whether we have got some module or macros > for comfortable proposing of covers for different kinds of binding, > containing automatic computation of the corresponding measurments > and displaying the parts for bookbinders (eg cutting lines, > protection zones, bends, pasting parts etc.) Hi Tomáš, I don’t know of anything existing. Find attached what I use for a magazine – I include title and back pages in the main PDF (to get a complete issue for corrections and online distribution) and use that as externalfigure, just creating the spine anew. HTH Greetlings, Hraban --- https://www.fiee.net http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD [-- Attachment #2: cover.tex --] [-- Type: application/octet-stream, Size: 1564 bytes --] \newdimen\Spinewidth \newdimen\SpineOffset \Spinewidth=6mm \useexternalfigure[MAG][_pdf/magazine.pdf] \def\ISSUE{34} \def\TOPIC{Topic} \def\LastPage{112} % don’t know how to compute that \SpineOffset=\dimexpr(\Spinewidth - 9pt)/5\relax \definepapersize[Cover] [width=\dimexpr 420mm + \Spinewidth\relax, height=297mm] \setuppapersize[Cover] \usetypescriptfile[myfont] \setupbodyfont[myfont,9pt] \setuplayout[ marking=on, ] \setuppagenumbering[state=stop] \definelayer[whole] [width=\paperwidth, height=\paperheight] \setupbackgrounds[page][background={whole},state=start] \definecolor[cmykblack][c=0,m=0,y=0,k=1] \setupcolors[ pagecolormodel=auto, rgb=no,cmyk=yes,spot=no, state=start, overprint=yes, intent={Uncoated FOGRA29 (ISO 12647-2:2004)}, textcolor=cmykblack ] \starttext \strut \setlayer[whole] [hoffset=0mm, voffset=0mm]{% \externalfigure[MAG][page=\LastPage]} \setlayer[whole] [hoffset=\dimexpr 210mm + \Spinewidth\relax, voffset=0mm]{% \externalfigure[MAG][page=1]} \setlayerframed[whole] [x=210mm, y=20mm, frame=off, offset=overlay, width=\Spinewidth, align=center]{\ISSUE} \setlayerframed[whole] [x=210mm,y=92mm, frame=off, offset=overlay, align=right, width=\Spinewidth, height=190mm, %height=\dimexpr\paperheight -15mm\relax, ]{% \rotate[rotation=90, align={right,middle}, frame=off, height=\Spinewidth, width=190mm, ]{\vskip\SpineOffset\vbox{MAGAZINE\hfill\TOPIC}}} \stoptext [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 492 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Question to covers 2018-07-20 18:49 ` Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-07-21 15:39 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2018-07-21 17:12 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2018-07-21 15:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2564 bytes --] > Henning Hraban Ramm <mailto:texml@fiee.net> > 20. Juli 2018 um 20:49 > > Hi Tomáš, > > I don’t know of anything existing. > Find attached what I use for a magazine – I include title and back > pages in the main PDF (to get a complete issue for corrections and > online distribution) and use that as externalfigure, just creating the > spine anew. Hi Henning, below is a modified version of your example where I changed a few things. 1. I used the "measure" commands to set the spine values, the advantage of the \measure is that it falls back to 0pt when you try to use a undefined value. 2. I determined the last page of the megazine with the \getfiguredimensions command, afterwards you can use the \noffigurepages command to get the last page of the document. 3. I put the layer and frame settings for the \setlayerframed command in separate arguments. 4. I got rid of the backgrounds setup for the layer. A better solution here is to create a page without margins which can be done with the "page" layout where you flush the collected content of the layer with the \flushlayer command. 5. I set the texts for the isse number and title with the \setvariables command. Wolfgang %%%%%% \definemeasure [SpineWidth] [6mm] \definemeasure [SpineOffset] [\dimexpr(\measure{SpineWidth}-9pt)/5\relax] \definepapersize [Cover] [width=\dimexpr420mm+\measure{SpineWidth}\relax, height=297mm] \setuppapersize [Cover] \setupexternalfigures [directory={_pdf}] \useexternalfigure [MAG] [magazine.pdf] \setvariables [cover] [issue={34}, topic={Topic}] \setuplayout [marking=on] \definelayer [whole] [width=\paperwidth, height=\paperheight] \starttext \startlayout [page] \setlayer [whole] [x=0mm, y=0mm] {\getfiguredimensions[MAG] \externalfigure[MAG][page=\noffigurepages]} \setlayer [whole] [x=\dimexpr210mm+\measure{SpineWidth}\relax, y=0mm] {\externalfigure[MAG][page=1]} \setlayerframed [whole] [x=210mm, y=20mm] [frame=off, offset=overlay, width=\measure{SpineWidth}, align=center] {\getvariable{cover}{issue}} \setlayerframed [whole] [x=210mm, y=92mm] [frame=off, offset=overlay, align=right, width=\measure{SpineWidth}, height=190mm] {\rotate [rotation=90, align={right,middle}, frame=off, height=\measure{SpineWidth}, width=190mm] {\vskip\measure{SpineOffset} \vbox{MAGAZINE\hfill\getvariable{cover}{topic}}}} \flushlayer [whole] \stoplayout \stoptext %%%%%% [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 3888 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 492 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Question to covers 2018-07-21 15:39 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2018-07-21 17:12 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2018-07-21 20:06 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-07-21 17:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi Wolfgang, thank you so much! If we put the externalfigure setup in front, we can also calculate the spine width: \getfiguredimensions[MAG] \definemeasure [SpineWidth] [\dimexpr0.01mm * (\noffigurepages/2) + 0.5mm\relax] Where 0.01mm is the paper thickness (100 g/m2) and 0.5mm is the folding addition – ask your printshop/bookbinder how much they need! Greetlings, Hraban --- https://www.fiee.net http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD Am 2018-07-21 um 17:39 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com>: > >> Henning Hraban Ramm 20. Juli 2018 um 20:49 >> >> Hi Tomáš, >> >> I don’t know of anything existing. >> Find attached what I use for a magazine – I include title and back pages in the main PDF (to get a complete issue for corrections and online distribution) and use that as externalfigure, just creating the spine anew. > Hi Henning, > > below is a modified version of your example where I changed a few things. > > 1. I used the "measure" commands to set the spine values, the advantage of the \measure is that it falls back to 0pt when you try to use a undefined value. > > 2. I determined the last page of the megazine with the \getfiguredimensions command, afterwards you can use the \noffigurepages command to get the last page of the document. > > 3. I put the layer and frame settings for the \setlayerframed command in separate arguments. > > 4. I got rid of the backgrounds setup for the layer. A better solution here is to create a page without margins which can be done with the "page" layout where you flush the collected content of the layer with the \flushlayer command. > > 5. I set the texts for the isse number and title with the \setvariables command. > > Wolfgang > > %%%%%% > \definemeasure [SpineWidth] [6mm] > \definemeasure [SpineOffset] [\dimexpr(\measure{SpineWidth}-9pt)/5\relax] > > \definepapersize > [Cover] > [width=\dimexpr420mm+\measure{SpineWidth}\relax, > height=297mm] > > \setuppapersize [Cover] > > \setupexternalfigures [directory={_pdf}] > > \useexternalfigure [MAG] [magazine.pdf] > > \setvariables > [cover] > [issue={34}, > topic={Topic}] > > \setuplayout > [marking=on] > > \definelayer > [whole] > [width=\paperwidth, > height=\paperheight] > > \starttext > > \startlayout [page] > > \setlayer > [whole] > [x=0mm, > y=0mm] > {\getfiguredimensions[MAG] > \externalfigure[MAG][page=\noffigurepages]} > > \setlayer > [whole] > [x=\dimexpr210mm+\measure{SpineWidth}\relax, > y=0mm] > {\externalfigure[MAG][page=1]} > > \setlayerframed > [whole] > [x=210mm, > y=20mm] > [frame=off, > offset=overlay, > width=\measure{SpineWidth}, > align=center] > {\getvariable{cover}{issue}} > > \setlayerframed > [whole] > [x=210mm, > y=92mm] > [frame=off, > offset=overlay, > align=right, > width=\measure{SpineWidth}, > height=190mm] > {\rotate > [rotation=90, > align={right,middle}, > frame=off, > height=\measure{SpineWidth}, > width=190mm] > {\vskip\measure{SpineOffset} > \vbox{MAGAZINE\hfill\getvariable{cover}{topic}}}} > > \flushlayer [whole] > > \stoplayout > > \stoptext > %%%%%% > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: Question to covers 2018-07-21 17:12 ` Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-07-21 20:06 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2018-07-21 20:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Henning Hraban Ramm On 7/21/2018 7:12 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > Hi Wolfgang, > > thank you so much! > > If we put the externalfigure setup in front, we can also calculate the spine width: > > \getfiguredimensions[MAG] > \definemeasure [SpineWidth] [\dimexpr0.01mm * (\noffigurepages/2) + 0.5mm\relax] > > Where 0.01mm is the paper thickness (100 g/m2) and 0.5mm is the folding addition – ask your printshop/bookbinder how much they need! it's on my agenda for a while to make some helpers for spines (esp handy for MP), there is actually already a variable for a while but .. too hot now (and i need to work on the house) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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