slightly OT: tablets

slightly OT: tablets

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

Hi all,

this is slightly OT, but maybe someone here has a helpful suggestion: since the announcement of Apple's iPad, tablets have become the rage. I am somewhat underwhelmed by this type of computer, but I see one area where it might be interesting to have one of those babies, and that's presentations. What I'm dreaming about: a tablet that would be able to show my manuscript (of course, a pdf produced with ConTeXt) on it's own screen and drive a presentation (again, pdf) on an external screen/digital projector. That way, I would need only one technical device, no paper etc. for my presentations. I even called Apple, but they said there is no app yet for doing this on an iPad. Do any of you have any insights: is there anything on the market yet that would make this possible? Is it at all feasible
 ? Does it sound like a reasonable idea? 

All best

Thomas
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Re: slightly OT: tablets

[luigi scarso]

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On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz <
thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> this is slightly OT, but maybe someone here has a helpful suggestion: since
> the announcement of Apple's iPad, tablets have become the rage. I am
> somewhat underwhelmed by this type of computer, but I see one area where it
> might be interesting to have one of those babies, and that's presentations.
> What I'm dreaming about: a tablet that would be able to show my manuscript
> (of course, a pdf produced with ConTeXt) on it's own screen and drive a
> presentation (again, pdf) on an external screen/digital projector. That way,
> I would need only one technical device, no paper etc. for my presentations.
> I even called Apple, but they said there is no app yet for doing this on an
> iPad. Do any of you have any insights: is there anything on the market yet
> that would make this possible? Is it at all feasible? Does it sound like a
> reasonable idea?
>
> All best
>
> What about
ASUS Eee PC T101MT-WHI012M
http://www.e-videoshoppingtv.it/frontend/evideoshopping/default.aspx?idvideo=9774&idcat=666&asus_t101_from=prod

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Re: slightly OT: tablets

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Jul 19, 2010, at 8:14 PM, luigi scarso wrote:

> What about
> ASUS Eee PC T101MT-WHI012M
> http://www.e-videoshoppingtv.it/frontend/evideoshopping/default.aspx?idvideo=9774&idcat=666&asus_t101_from=prod
>  

Well, that's a netbook/tablet hybrid, not really what I'm looking for. I already have a netbook.

Thomas
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Re: slightly OT: tablets

[luigi scarso]

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On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz <
thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> wrote:

>
> On Jul 19, 2010, at 8:14 PM, luigi scarso wrote:
>
> > What about
> > ASUS Eee PC T101MT-WHI012M
> >
> http://www.e-videoshoppingtv.it/frontend/evideoshopping/default.aspx?idvideo=9774&idcat=666&asus_t101_from=prod
> >
>
> Well, that's a netbook/tablet hybrid, not really what I'm looking for. I
> already have a netbook.
>
> Adobe Reader without compromise

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Re: slightly OT: tablets

[Matthias Weber]

Hi Thomas,

you can even do presentations of PDFs with an iPod touch. You will  
need a dock connector/ TV out cable (http://support.apple.com/kb/ 
ht1454). In iOS 4, you have direct support of PDFs, i.e. you can copy  
PDFs directly to your iPod.
Before that, you needed a separate app to view PDFs.
As for PDF features, you'll be somewhat limited as to what the viewers  
support. For instance, movies within PDFs won't work.

Also, I don't think there is a way to use clickers to control the iPod/ 
iPad.

Matthias

On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> this is slightly OT, but maybe someone here has a helpful  
> suggestion: since the announcement of Apple's iPad, tablets have  
> become the rage. I am somewhat underwhelmed by this type of  
> computer, but I see one area where it might be interesting to have  
> one of those babies, and that's presentations. What I'm dreaming  
> about: a tablet that would be able to show my manuscript (of course,  
> a pdf produced with ConTeXt) on it's own screen and drive a  
> presentation (again, pdf) on an external screen/digital projector.  
> That way, I would need only one technical device, no paper etc. for  
> my presentations. I even called Apple, but they said there is no app  
> yet for doing this on an iPad. Do any of you have any insights: is  
> there anything on the market yet that would make this possible? Is  
> it at all feasible? Does it sound like a reasonable idea?
>
> All best
>
> Thomas
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Re: slightly OT: tablets

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

Hi Matthias,

that's good to know, but for me, the "killer app" would be to have both my manuscript and the presentation on the same device (and an iPod would just be too small for that). So the question is: could you see pdf A on the screen and drive pdf B with the TV out cable? Apple told me this was not possible. I can live with the other restricitions, I think.

Thomas

On Jul 19, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Matthias Weber wrote:

> Hi Thomas,
> 
> you can even do presentations of PDFs with an iPod touch. You will need a dock connector/ TV out cable (http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1454). In iOS 4, you have direct support of PDFs, i.e. you can copy PDFs directly to your iPod.
> Before that, you needed a separate app to view PDFs.
> As for PDF features, you'll be somewhat limited as to what the viewers support. For instance, movies within PDFs won't work.
> 
> Also, I don't think there is a way to use clickers to control the iPod/iPad.
> 
> Matthias

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Re: slightly OT: tablets

[Otared Kavian]

Hi Thomas,

Sometimes ago I asked a related question about TeX, iPhone and electronic books, as far as reading mathematical and technical papers are concerned. But now that the iPad is out your question makes even more sense. I don't have yet an iPad but found the following after reading your message: Ramón Figueroa-Centeno announces here
http://macosx-tex.576846.n2.nabble.com/LaTeX-on-the-iPad-using-TeXShop-Engines-td5075337.html

that he has written a few scripts, named LaTeXMe, to remotely typeset a TeX file and download the resulting PDF to his iPad. I think that it won't be difficult to modify the scripts in order to use ConTeXt and LuaTeX (somehow creating a ConTeXtMe script…). You can find Ramón Figueroa-Centeno's files here:
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~ramonf/TeXShop/LaTeXMe.zip

I must say that I have not tested the scripts but there is a PDF file explaining the principles behind.

In any case I think that at some point Apple needs to port some sort of Mac OS X on the iPad for the academia to be able to use the iPad as a computer for an everyday workflow.

Best regards: OK


On 19 juil. 2010, at 19:51, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> this is slightly OT, but maybe someone here has a helpful suggestion: since the announcement of Apple's iPad, tablets have become the rage. I am somewhat underwhelmed by this type of computer, but I see one area where it might be interesting to have one of those babies, and that's presentations. What I'm dreaming about: a tablet that would be able to show my manuscript (of course, a pdf produced with ConTeXt) on it's own screen and drive a presentation (again, pdf) on an external screen/digital projector. That way, I would need only one technical device, no paper etc. for my presentations. I even called Apple, but they said there is no app yet for doing this on an iPad. Do any of you have any insights: is there anything on the market yet that would make this possible? Is it at all feasible? Does it sound like a reasonable idea? 
> 
> All best
> 
> Thomas
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Re: slightly OT: tablets

[Hans Hagen]

On 20-7-2010 8:51, Otared Kavian wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
>
> Sometimes ago I asked a related question about TeX, iPhone and electronic books, as far as reading mathematical and technical papers are concerned. But now that the iPad is out your question makes even more sense. I don't have yet an iPad but found the following after reading your message: Ramón Figueroa-Centeno announces here
> http://macosx-tex.576846.n2.nabble.com/LaTeX-on-the-iPad-using-TeXShop-Engines-td5075337.html
>
> that he has written a few scripts, named LaTeXMe, to remotely typeset a TeX file and download the resulting PDF to his iPad. I think that it won't be difficult to modify the scripts in order to use ConTeXt and LuaTeX (somehow creating a ConTeXtMe script…). You can find Ramón Figueroa-Centeno's files here:
> http://www2.hawaii.edu/~ramonf/TeXShop/LaTeXMe.zip
>
> I must say that I have not tested the scripts but there is a PDF file explaining the principles behind.
>
> In any case I think that at some point Apple needs to port some sort of Mac OS X on the iPad for the academia to be able to use the iPad as a computer for an everyday workflow.

Richard Koch (TeXshop) is porting tex processing to the ipad. (I don't 
have one so I cannot comment on viewing aspects).

Hans

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Re: slightly OT: tablets

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

Otared, Hans, William, and all,

thanks a lot for your comments and suggestions; there's a lot of useful info in this thread! In my personal workflow, I don't think I could actually use an iPad or a similar device to produce content; so running TeX on it is not something I find interesting. But I could imagine that it would be a useful device for presenting stuff that has been prepared on a real computer. So I'll wait a bit and see if interesting apps turn up!

Thanks all, and best

Thomas

On Jul 20, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Otared Kavian wrote:

> Hi Thomas,
> 
> Sometimes ago I asked a related question about TeX, iPhone and electronic books, as far as reading mathematical and technical papers are concerned. But now that the iPad is out your question makes even more sense. I don't have yet an iPad but found the following after reading your message: Ramón Figueroa-Centeno announces here
> http://macosx-tex.576846.n2.nabble.com/LaTeX-on-the-iPad-using-TeXShop-Engines-td5075337.html
> 
> that he has written a few scripts, named LaTeXMe, to remotely typeset a TeX file and download the resulting PDF to his iPad. I think that it won't be difficult to modify the scripts in order to use ConTeXt and LuaTeX (somehow creating a ConTeXtMe script…). You can find Ramón Figueroa-Centeno's files here:
> http://www2.hawaii.edu/~ramonf/TeXShop/LaTeXMe.zip
> 
> I must say that I have not tested the scripts but there is a PDF file explaining the principles behind.
> 
> In any case I think that at some point Apple needs to port some sort of Mac OS X on the iPad for the academia to be able to use the iPad as a computer for an everyday workflow.
> 
> Best regards: OK

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Re: slightly OT: tablets

[Hans Hagen]

On 20-7-2010 10:59, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> Otared, Hans, William, and all,
>
> thanks a lot for your comments and suggestions; there's a lot of useful info in this thread! In my personal workflow, I don't think I could actually use an iPad or a similar device to produce content; so running TeX on it is not something I find interesting. But I could imagine that it would be a useful device for presenting stuff that has been prepared on a real computer. So I'll wait a bit and see if interesting apps turn up!

keep an eye on this one:

http://laptops.toshiba.com/laptops/libretto/W100

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Re: slightly OT: tablets

[luigi scarso]

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On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> On 20-7-2010 10:59, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>
>> Otared, Hans, William, and all,
>>
>> thanks a lot for your comments and suggestions; there's a lot of useful
>> info in this thread! In my personal workflow, I don't think I could actually
>> use an iPad or a similar device to produce content; so running TeX on it is
>> not something I find interesting. But I could imagine that it would be a
>> useful device for presenting stuff that has been prepared on a real
>> computer. So I'll wait a bit and see if interesting apps turn up!
>>
>
> keep an eye on this one:
>
> http://laptops.toshiba.com/laptops/libretto/W100

7'' is small
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Re: slightly OT: tablets

[William Adams]

On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:51 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

> this is slightly OT, but maybe someone here has a helpful suggestion: since the announcement of Apple's iPad, tablets have become the rage. I am somewhat underwhelmed by this type of computer, but I see one area where it might be interesting to have one of those babies, and that's presentations. What I'm dreaming about: a tablet that would be able to show my manuscript (of course, a pdf produced with ConTeXt) on it's own screen and drive a presentation (again, pdf) on an external screen/digital projector. That way, I would need only one technical device, no paper etc. for my presentations. I even called Apple, but they said there is no app yet for doing this on an iPad. Do any of you have any insights: is there anything on the market yet that would make this possible? Is it at all feasib
 le? Does it sound like a reasonable idea? 

I wrote up my TUG 2003 presentation on a Fujitsu pen computer (unfortunately Fujitsu has discontinued their slate lineup).

Available systems include:

http://www.axiotron.com/index.php?id=modbook

and

http://www.motioncomputing.com/

Tradeoffs in comparison to an iPad are cost (higher) and battery life (lower) --- I get quite good battery life on my Fujitsu Stylistic ST4121 using a pair of extended cell batteries (unfortunately, it's a couple of years old and the bridge battery which should allow hot-swapping when suspended no longer functions). A notable advantage is my 4121 has a transflective, indoor/outdoor viewable display, so works quite well as mapreader when travelling.

I have a full TeX suite on it (w32tex since I'm running on a 4GB SSD), as well as traditional graphic design programs like FreeHand and FontLab. Handwriting recognition works well and allows me to not carry the added weight of a keyboard. Using a stylus works well for me and is very expressive (I'll often make .pdfs enabled for commenting on my Mac at work, then mark them up on my Tablet PC).

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Re: slightly OT: tablets

[Oliver Buerschaper]

> I have a full TeX suite on it (w32tex since I'm running on a 4GB SSD), as well as traditional graphic design programs like FreeHand and FontLab. Handwriting recognition works well and allows me to not carry the added weight of a keyboard. Using a stylus works well for me and is very expressive (I'll often make .pdfs enabled for commenting on my Mac at work, then mark them up on my Tablet PC).

How do you "enable" your PDFs so that you can add handwritten notes?

Oliver
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Re: slightly OT: tablets

[William Adams]

On Jul 20, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Oliver Buerschaper wrote:

> How do you "enable" your PDFs so that you can add handwritten notes?

in Adobe Acrobat Professional:

Comments | Enable for commenting and analysis in Adobe Reader...

Then when the file is opened in Adobe Reader open up the appropriate toolbars.

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Re: slightly OT: tablets

[Oliver Buerschaper]

>> How do you "enable" your PDFs so that you can add handwritten notes?
> 
> in Adobe Acrobat Professional:
> 
> Comments | Enable for commenting and analysis in Adobe Reader...
> 
> Then when the file is opened in Adobe Reader open up the appropriate toolbars.

Does that mean you can make handwritten annotations with, say, a graphics tablet?

Oliver
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Re: slightly OT: tablets

[William Adams]

On Jul 21, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Oliver Buerschaper wrote:

> Does that mean you can make handwritten annotations with, say, a graphics tablet?

Yes, so long as one isn't expecting to be able to convert the handwritten annotation into recognized text.

Another option is printing a .pdf into a Journal or other notebook style program (e.g., OneNote) which while it makes the underlying file into an image, allows richer, more natural annotation in an ink-aware program.

William

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