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Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: In-text itemizations break spacing Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 21:33:36 +0100 Message-ID: References: <2CF231BA-3911-4640-8DAC-E8BB92FD163A@gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1290405297==" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1294173241 8228 80.91.229.12 (4 Jan 2011 20:34:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 20:34:01 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Jan 04 21:33:55 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PaDZq-0003c1-VZ for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 21:33:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C127CA945; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 21:33:54 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id aqw2wTuOQ5U2; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 21:33:50 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C864FCA941; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 21:33:50 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10144CA941 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 21:33:50 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id hWSh1gY-SNkJ for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 21:33:38 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from filter4-til.mf.surf.net (filter4-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.220]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC04CA926 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 21:33:38 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-ww0-f45.google.com (mail-ww0-f45.google.com [74.125.82.45]) by filter4-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id p04KXb6i031281 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 21:33:38 +0100 Original-Received: by wwb29 with SMTP id 29so14984422wwb.2 for ; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:33:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=ce87EQP7vcKFGUiXxw2rhMw2tjsUgzYVVoMnbvlHCxs=; b=ewMPJ2YT0zoSjp51qBIZUBSaziUsNNfnjMV2lmB50/kLDG7YrD7xpfokjjf6MtZsZn vHSRDoX+Cl+AP2NfANQxCVeQ+R3yk34agcSES9iu1JjAhoy/YWvKl/JHxoLtuQoBh6Uk k7B2bH79OwYa91L3j1raIlg81bhJgNDw9/yDU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=aECMal3M2F9YFuqzJ1+uIWInIpVfQIa/ZtnofHUySzPnmIJn+ziJTwkS211Ip6Uzu+ zdJlVuibUryho7eptXK7TVoimR+l8CziITf0xS/lGgLCUDVt3TVa7E47Ts6/3bZuZmNO /EGK2xD8uBt4SE57Q+7cNJP86vgFhoHS2w9P0= Original-Received: by 10.227.142.17 with SMTP id o17mr12787405wbu.111.1294173216081; Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:33:36 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.227.9.224 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Jan 2011 12:33:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <2CF231BA-3911-4640-8DAC-E8BB92FD163A@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: gj1OjxOye3qCAoj2ZdUeQnsDtUM X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=74.125.82.45; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 05DPwxBhN - a0af9fe05086 - 20110104 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.220 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:64922 Archived-At: --===============1290405297== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00148537ab92d28a6604990b2e06 --00148537ab92d28a6604990b2e06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2011/1/4 Wolfgang Schuster > Am 04.01.2011 um 18:51 schrieb Philipp A.: > > 2011/1/4 Wolfgang Schuster > >> Make a example next time! >> >> [Example] >> >> Wolfgang >> > > so [textdistance=3Dmedium] is the solution, thanks! > > nevertheless, i couldn=E2=80=99t find documentation about =E2=80=9Ctextdi= stance=E2=80=9D, > > The option was added last march and it=E2=80=99s now up to you to documen= t it. > > The values for the key are > > none : no distance between items > small : half the value of a normal space, can be stretched by half of a = em > medium : normal space distance, can be stretched by 1em > big : 1em, can be stretched or shrinked by a space width > : e.g. 3pt plus 2pt minus 1pt > been there , don= e that . > and i don=E2=80=99t think it to be very intuitive, that this changes the = space to > be more flexible. > > sorry but i forgot why we used these values, maybe a smaller stretch valu= e > for small and medium make sense > i don=E2=80=99t think so (or at least not much less), and i meant sth. diff= erent: =E2=80=9Ctextdistance=3Dmedium=E2=80=9D does not mean =E2=80=9Cgreater flex= ibility=E2=80=9D, it does mean =E2=80=9Cno change in flexibility, just in distance=E2=80=9D. using medium as standard = value would be ok, though, because you get the flexible (=3Dmostly better) behavi= or as standard, and the rigid as option. > would you mind telling me why this is the case, and why this isn=E2=80=99= t standard > behavior? > > backward compatibility, i would also prefer =E2=80=9Cmedium=E2=80=9D as d= efault value > can=E2=80=99t we just screw backward compatibility at all costs here? i mea= n: =E2=80=9Cmedium=E2=80=9D won=E2=80=99t make it worse in most cases, just be= tter! (the maximum space is 1em+1sp, so we probably will never get different hyphenation, but almost always less overfull \hboxes) also, \setbreakpoints[compound] should be standard in my opinion. Wolfgang > thanks for the answer, phil --00148537ab92d28a6604990b2e06 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2011/1/4 Wolfgang Schuster <= ;schuster.wolfgang@goog= lemail.com>
Am 04.01.2011 um= 18:51 schrieb Philipp A.:
2011/1/4 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googl= email.com>
Make a example next time!

[Example]

Wolfgang

so [textdistance=3Dmedium] is the solu= tion, thanks!

nevertheless, i couldn=E2=80=99t find documentation ab= out =E2=80=9Ctextdistance=E2=80=9D,
The option was a= dded last march and it=E2=80=99s now up to you to document it.

The values for the key are

non= e =C2=A0 : no distance between items
small =C2=A0: half the value= of a normal space, can be stretched by half of a em
medium : nor= mal space distance, can be stretched by 1em
big =C2=A0 =C2=A0: 1em, can be stretched or shrinked by a space width<= /div>
<skip> : e.g. 3pt plus 2pt minus 1pt
and i don=E2=80=99t think it to be very intuitive, that this changes the = space to be more flexible.
sorry but i forgot why we used these val= ues, maybe a smaller stretch value for small and medium make sense

i don=E2=80=99t think so (or at least not mu= ch less), and i meant sth. different: =E2=80=9Ctextdistance=3Dmedium=E2=80= =9D does not mean =E2=80=9Cgreater flexibility=E2=80=9D, it does mean =E2= =80=9Cno change in flexibility, just in distance=E2=80=9D. using medium as = standard value would be ok, though, because you get the flexible (=3Dmostly= better) behavior as standard, and the rigid as option.
would you mind telling me why this is the case, and why this isn=E2=80=99t = standard behavior?
backward compatibi= lity, i would also prefer =E2=80=9Cmedium=E2=80=9D as default value

can=E2=80=99t we just screw backward compatibility at all costs he= re? i mean: =E2=80=9Cmedium=E2=80=9D won=E2=80=99t make it worse in most ca= ses, just better! (the maximum space is 1em+1sp, so we probably will never = get different hyphenation, but almost always less overfull \hboxes)

also, \setbreakpoints[compound] should be standard in my opinion.
Wolfgang

thanks for the answer,

phil
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