context vs texinfo

context vs texinfo

[Shiv Shankar Dayal]

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Hi,

I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run
approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds.

Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still?

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Best regards,
Shiv Shankar Dayal

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Re: context vs texinfo

[luigi scarso]

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Shiv Shankar Dayal
<shivshankar.dayal@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run
> approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds.
> Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still?
Do you have an example ?

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Re: context vs texinfo

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi,

Shiv Shankar Dayal wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run
> approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds.

A whole 2 seconds? That's ridiculously slow! I just tried to print a
document with  'cat | lpr' and it took much less than a tenth of a
second! :)

> Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still?

Seriously: you gave the first half of the answer yourself. The second
half is that texinfo is very simple. Yes, context is quite a bit slower
thanks to extra complexity.

I am not going to list all of the things context can do that texinfo
cannot as that would take the better part of an hour, but there
are a few other reasons as well:

* context usually needs three runs the very first time you process
a document (but typically only one or two runs after that) and it
does these consecutive runs automatically. It keeps running tex
until there are no more runs needed, and this sometimes (well,
often, to be honest) means that it does one run too many. But one
run too much is still a lot better than a wrong link.

* context typically is set up to use much larger values for the
internal memory arrays, and this results in a slower runtime. You
can actually speed up context by reducing its memory footprint
to just what is needed for your own typical document types
(dont forget to regenerate the formats).

Best wishes,
Taco

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Re: context vs texinfo

[Hans Hagen]

On 8-7-2010 9:32, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Shiv Shankar Dayal wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run
>> approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds.
>
> A whole 2 seconds? That's ridiculously slow! I just tried to print a
> document with  'cat | lpr' and it took much less than a tenth of a
> second! :)
>
>> Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still?
>
> Seriously: you gave the first half of the answer yourself. The second
> half is that texinfo is very simple. Yes, context is quite a bit slower
> thanks to extra complexity.
>
> I am not going to list all of the things context can do that texinfo
> cannot as that would take the better part of an hour, but there
> are a few other reasons as well:
>
> * context usually needs three runs the very first time you process
> a document (but typically only one or two runs after that) and it
> does these consecutive runs automatically. It keeps running tex
> until there are no more runs needed, and this sometimes (well,
> often, to be honest) means that it does one run too many. But one
> run too much is still a lot better than a wrong link.
>
> * context typically is set up to use much larger values for the
> internal memory arrays, and this results in a slower runtime. You
> can actually speed up context by reducing its memory footprint
> to just what is needed for your own typical document types
> (dont forget to regenerate the formats).

but 16 sec for a simple doc is still too  much given that the cache etc 
are set up; the 2 sec texinfo is an indication that the whol setup is 
suboptimal (network?)

Hans


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Re: context vs texinfo

[R. Bastian]

On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 02:54:40 -0400
Shiv Shankar Dayal <shivshankar.dayal@gmail.com> scribit:

> Hi,
> 
> I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run
> approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds.
> 
> Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still?
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Shiv Shankar Dayal

WORKING WITH lINUX:

May be your context-path is bad.

Open a console.
Try to find the file "setuptex"
Then "source THE_PATH_FOUND/setuptex"

The tip is somewhere in the contextgarden.


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Re: context vs texinfo

[luigi scarso]

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Shiv Shankar Dayal
<shivshankar.dayal@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I was using context and I had to wait for 16 seconds for one run
> approximately. I switched to texinfo and it barely takes 2 seconds.
> Can you please explain the diffrence? I know context is complex but still?
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Shiv Shankar Dayal
texinfo is not able to do this
http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/columns.pdf
while context can easily mimic texinfo, at least for pdf ouput.
Anyway, without an example it's like compare apples with oranges.


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