From: Mojca Miklavec <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com>
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Subject: Re: Ampersand in Metapost
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 17:20:35 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTil7vRUsPzggJl4AjWeZhx-Bs0g8qEucSSSXo7WX@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100514120621.554d595d@vorbis>
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:06, Marco wrote:
> On Fri, 14 May 2010 00:37:44 +0200, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>
>> PS: I would say: better use \sometxt which is far more reliable unless
>> you have to use textext to do string manipulation.
> I don't know exactly which transformations are considered as »string
> manipulation«. I've read your MyWay on \sometxt. Brilliant piece of doc. But
> I've three questions.
>
> i) Is it about MkII, MkIV or both?
It's mostly about MkII. In MKIV it should work, but it doesn't make
such a huge difference since textext works as well as \sometxt in
MkII. textext in MkII can sometimes be very inefficient.
> ii) Is it still up-to-date?
Apart from a recently reported bug I don't know of any changes in
MkII, but maybe I should write a few words about MkIV.
> iii) Why should I better use \sometxt?
> What do you mean by »more reliable«? After having read your MyWay I would say
> that textext is more reliable because it can do dynamic text.
Dynamic text counts as "feature" for me, not as "something that'"
> I created a testfile to compare textext and \sometxt. The points to compare
> were those you mentionend in your MyWay as advantages of \sometxt. The
> testfile »t.tex« is attached. I processed it with
>
> ConTeXt ver: 2010.05.08
> luatex, version beta-0.60.1-2010042821
As already mentioned by Hans, the only difference,
> Here are my results:
>
> -There is one obvious reason: speed
>
> Average runtime:
> textext variant: 56s
> \sometxt variant: 57s
>
> That is the same. Maybe my test file is not appropriate to test the speed. I'm
> sure you have performed more advanced tests.
For gnuplot-generated graphics compile time has been reduced from 10
minutes to 20 seconds. But that's another story (many graphics, many
text labels inside each graphic; textext was not optimized).
> -Document-wide definitions are seen
> [...] definitions with arguments will fail to work.
>
> The first line, a document-wide definition with arguments works in both
> versions.
But that's only true with MkIV. In MKII it's another story.
> -Problems with expansion
> [...] as far as I remember math expressions (fractions perhaps) never
> worked as they were supposed to
>
> The second definition is a math expressions with fractions. It seems to work.
Many math expressions have later been made unexpandable and started
working, but it felt like a neverending story. Almost the same as the
example that you were asking for.
> I know, your MyWay is old. Maybe some things are fixed now. But I don't see
> many advantages for me using it.
If you are using MkIV and don't run into the same problem again, there
is hardly a difference.
> In fact, I have a problem getting random colors working. Take the following
> example (taken from my earlier thread).
>
> % This line is needed to get »withcolor« to work?
Yes, in MkII. In MkIV Hans wanted to take a different approach.
> \chardef\TeXtextcolormode\zerocount
> % Produces empty rectangles
> for i=0 downto -3:
> ran;
> label(\sometxt{\bold{Test}}, (7cm,-4cm))
> rotatedaround ((7cm,-4cm),i*20)
> withcolor transparent("normal", .2, (r,g,b));
> endfor;
Hans replied.
All in all - true, the most difference is seen in MkII.
Mojca
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Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-05-13 19:18 Marco
2010-05-13 20:58 ` Hans Hagen
2010-05-13 21:40 ` Mojca Miklavec
2010-05-13 21:45 ` Marco
2010-05-13 22:37 ` Mojca Miklavec
2010-05-14 1:07 ` Aditya Mahajan
2010-05-14 10:09 ` Marco
2010-05-14 13:32 ` Hans Hagen
2010-05-14 10:06 ` Marco
2010-05-14 10:39 ` Hans Hagen
2010-05-14 10:44 ` Hans Hagen
2010-05-14 11:45 ` Marco
2010-05-14 12:17 ` Hans Hagen
2010-05-14 15:20 ` Mojca Miklavec [this message]
2010-05-14 19:34 ` Marco
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