* \setuppublications problem
@ 2011-03-10 14:38 Jean Magnan de Bornier
2011-03-11 12:00 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread
From: Jean Magnan de Bornier @ 2011-03-10 14:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
Hi all,
Using the last mkiv from the minimals, \setuppublications seems out of order.
If I write:
..................................
\setupbibtex [database=/home/jean/biblio]
\setuppublications[alternative=apa]
\starttext
{\bf Bibliography}
\nocite[foo, bla, blu]
\placepublications
\stoptext
...................................
the pub list is empty. But if comment out this line the bibliography is
printed; it works also ok with
\setuppublications[]
--
Jean
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread* Re: \setuppublications problem 2011-03-10 14:38 \setuppublications problem Jean Magnan de Bornier @ 2011-03-11 12:00 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 2011-03-12 7:37 ` Jean Magnan de Bornier 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2011-03-11 12:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Mar 10, 2011, at 3:38 PM, Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote: > Using the last mkiv from the minimals, \setuppublications seems out > of order. > > If I write: > .................................. > \setupbibtex [database=/home/jean/biblio] > \setuppublications[alternative=apa] > > \starttext > > > {\bf Bibliography} > > \nocite[foo, bla, blu] > \placepublications > \stoptext > ................................... > > the pub list is empty. But if comment out this line the bibliography > is > printed; it works also ok with > > \setuppublications[] > Difficult to answer, I don't have the file /home/jean/biblio. Maybe make a real example? Thomas ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: \setuppublications problem 2011-03-11 12:00 ` Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2011-03-12 7:37 ` Jean Magnan de Bornier 2011-03-12 10:09 ` Thomas Schmitz 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Jean Magnan de Bornier @ 2011-03-12 7:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context Le 11 mars à 13:00:51 "Thomas A. Schmitz" <thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> écrit notamment: | On Mar 10, 2011, at 3:38 PM, Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote: > | > Using the last mkiv from the minimals, \setuppublications seems out | > of order. | > | > If I write: | > .................................. | > \setupbibtex [database=/home/jean/biblio] | > \setuppublications[alternative=apa] | > | > \starttext | > | > | > {\bf Bibliography} | > | > \nocite[foo, bla, blu] | > \placepublications | > \stoptext | > ................................... | > | > the pub list is empty. But if comment out this line the bibliography | > is | > printed; it works also ok with | > | > \setuppublications[] | > > | Difficult to answer, I don't have the file /home/jean/biblio. Maybe | make a real example? Fair enough. Here: ......................... \setupbibtex [database=/home/jean/biblio] \setuppublications[alternative=apa] \starttext {\bf Bibliography} \nocite[hh2010a,hh2010b,Eijkhout1991] \placepublications \stoptext ............................ biblio.bib is a file already known to some: ............................ @STRING{hh = {Hans Hagen}} @ELECTRONIC{hh2010, author = hh, year = {2010}, title = {Metafun. \CONTEXT\ mkiv}, url = {http://www.pragma-ade.nl/general/manuals/metafun-s.pdf}, } @ARTICLE{hh2010a, author = hh, title = {The Font Name Mess}, journal = {MAPS}, year = {2010}, volume = {40}, pages = {2-8}, keywords = {context}, } @ARTICLE{hh2010b, author = hh, title = {Grouping in Hybrid Environments}, journal = {MAPS}, year = {2010}, volume = {40}, pages = {67-71}, keywords = {context}, } @BOOK{Eijkhout1991, title = {\TeX\ by Topic. A \TeX nician's Reference}, publisher = {Addison-Wesley}, year = {1991}, author = {Victor Eijkhout}, address = {London}, keywords = {general}, } ........................... With mkiv I get an output without the bibliography; but dropping "alternative=apa" everything is fine (I tried other alternatives). tia, -- Jean ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: \setuppublications problem 2011-03-12 7:37 ` Jean Magnan de Bornier @ 2011-03-12 10:09 ` Thomas Schmitz 2011-03-12 10:36 ` Jean Magnan de Bornier 2011-03-12 10:45 ` Florian Wobbe 0 siblings, 2 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Thomas Schmitz @ 2011-03-12 10:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 08:37:28 +0100 Jean Magnan de Bornier <jm.bornier@free.fr> wrote: >Fair enough. Here: > ......................... > \setupbibtex [database=/home/jean/biblio] > \setuppublications[alternative=apa] > > \starttext > > > {\bf Bibliography} > > \nocite[hh2010a,hh2010b,Eijkhout1991] > \placepublications > \stoptext > ............................ Have you tried \placepublications[criterium=all] or \placepublications[criterium=text]? > biblio.bib is a file already known to some: So it's sample.bib. It would have made helping easier if you had said that. Thomas ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: \setuppublications problem 2011-03-12 10:09 ` Thomas Schmitz @ 2011-03-12 10:36 ` Jean Magnan de Bornier 2011-03-12 10:45 ` Florian Wobbe 1 sibling, 0 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Jean Magnan de Bornier @ 2011-03-12 10:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context Le 12 mars à 11:09:55 "Thomas Schmitz" <tschmit1@uni-bonn.de> écrit notamment: | On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 08:37:28 +0100 | Jean Magnan de Bornier <jm.bornier@free.fr> wrote: > | >Fair enough. Here: | > ......................... | > \setupbibtex [database=/home/jean/biblio] | > \setuppublications[alternative=apa] | > | > \starttext | > | > | > {\bf Bibliography} | > | > \nocite[hh2010a,hh2010b,Eijkhout1991] | > \placepublications | > \stoptext | > ............................ > | Have you tried \placepublications[criterium=all] or | \placepublications[criterium=text]? These are working, thanks. -- Jean ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: \setuppublications problem 2011-03-12 10:09 ` Thomas Schmitz 2011-03-12 10:36 ` Jean Magnan de Bornier @ 2011-03-12 10:45 ` Florian Wobbe 2011-03-12 11:08 ` Thomas Schmitz 1 sibling, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Florian Wobbe @ 2011-03-12 10:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users > Have you tried \placepublications[criterium=all] or \placepublications[criterium=text]? Hi Thomas, you gave me exactly the same hint last week. We should add criterium=cite and criterium=text to the Wiki (Bibliography MKIV page: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography_mkiv). In the beginning it was not clear to me, that http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography refers to the MKII implementation of Taco. Therefore, I would suggest to rename Bibliography to Bibliography_mkii and create an alias Bibliography that redirects to Bibliography_mkiv instead. In the wiki pages Bibliography_mkiv and Bibliography_mkii the first sentence should state that the page is related to mkii/mkiv only and link to the other page. Do you think this is reasonable? I would like to add a section on customising bibstyle files and add space for sharing reference styles of different journals. What do you think? In general I find it difficult to differentiate between mkiv and mkii related information in the wiki. How could we better structure the wiki to make it easier for the reader? Disambiguation pages, mkiv/mkii sections, independent pages with mkiv/mkii in headerline? Best, Florian ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: \setuppublications problem 2011-03-12 10:45 ` Florian Wobbe @ 2011-03-12 11:08 ` Thomas Schmitz 2011-03-12 12:21 ` Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? Florian Wobbe 2011-03-12 16:02 ` \setuppublications problem John Haltiwanger 0 siblings, 2 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Thomas Schmitz @ 2011-03-12 11:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi Florian, On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:45:16 +0100 Florian Wobbe <Florian.Wobbe@awi.de> wrote: >> Have you tried \placepublications[criterium=all] or >>\placepublications[criterium=text]? > > Hi Thomas, > > you gave me exactly the same hint last week. Not only that, but someone gave exactly the same hint to Jean in December... We should >add criterium=cite and criterium=text to the Wiki >(Bibliography MKIV page: >http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography_mkiv). You are of course right, but I assume Hans is working on bibliographies right now (he promised to finish something which I need for a project in March, so that leaves him another two weeks ;-), so we should maybe wait a bit. criterium=cite should work as well, but doesn't right now. > In the beginning it was not clear to me, that >http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography refers to the >MKII implementation of Taco. Therefore, I would suggest >to rename Bibliography to Bibliography_mkii and create an >alias Bibliography that redirects to Bibliography_mkiv >instead. In the wiki pages Bibliography_mkiv and >Bibliography_mkii the first sentence should state that >the page is related to mkii/mkiv only and link to the >other page. Do you think this is reasonable? I had begun rewriting the page. There is now http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliographies which links to the other pages, and which is linked to on the front page. But another context-related project kept me away from this and I never finished this, so fell free to shuffle and rewrite things! > I would like to add a section on customising bibstyle >files and add space for sharing reference styles of >different journals. What do you think? Again, that's a very good idea, but we should maybe wait just a bit till the dust settles a bit. > In general I find it difficult to differentiate between >mkiv and mkii related information in the wiki. How could >we better structure the wiki to make it easier for the >reader? Disambiguation pages, mkiv/mkii sections, >independent pages with mkiv/mkii in headerline? Just my 2 cents on this: difficult, because you won't be able to make everybody happy. Every now and then, I see a new user on the list who asks about "installing mkiv" and doesn't realize that it is not really something which you have to install additionally. We shouldn't scare those users because in so many cases, mkii and mkiv are exactly identical, so that would be an arguments against a too stric separation. But of course you're also right that it's frustrating for users if they can't find relevant information for the areas where the two differ. As long as mkiv hasn't settled, this is not easy... All best Thomas ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? 2011-03-12 11:08 ` Thomas Schmitz @ 2011-03-12 12:21 ` Florian Wobbe 2011-03-12 13:05 ` Marco ` (6 more replies) 2011-03-12 16:02 ` \setuppublications problem John Haltiwanger 1 sibling, 7 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Florian Wobbe @ 2011-03-12 12:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Maybe we should start a discussion in a new thread to find out: 1) why users are confused with mkiv/mkii? 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? 3) how to restructure the garden to make things clearer for newcomers? 4) how do users look for information and how to optimise the garden for search engine requests? 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? Especially answers from new users to the first three points would be helpful to answer the fifth point I guess. >> In general I find it difficult to differentiate between mkiv and mkii related information in the wiki. How could we better structure the wiki to make it easier for the reader? Disambiguation pages, mkiv/mkii sections, independent pages with mkiv/mkii in headerline? > Just my 2 cents on this: difficult, because you won't be able to make everybody happy. Every now and then, I see a new user on the list who asks about "installing mkiv" and doesn't realize that it is not really something which you have to install additionally. We shouldn't scare those users because in so many cases, mkii and mkiv are exactly identical, so that would be an arguments against a too stric separation. I understand the problem. Having said that, pages like "Using Mark IV" or "Install Mark IV" should be renamed to "installing/using context". Maybe it would help to include a little box "important things to know" on the installation page and explain shortly that for historical reasons mkii and mkiv are distributed together and that the former is regarded deprecated. Maybe link to a new page: Differences between miiv/mkii and how both are invoked (context vs. texexec). Then I am aware of many people who are reluctant to install the minimals. I now wonder why I (myself) was unwilling to install the minimals in the first place, having TeXLive installed already. For one it was because of the extra effort. But I recall it was also the name "The ConTeXt MINIMAL distribution" that kept me. The name "minimal" somehow suggested something incomplete or minor to me. It took me a while to figure out that the minimals is actually more than you get from TexLive. Therefore, I would suggest leaving out "minimal" and advertise the superior instead. > But of course you're also right that it's frustrating for users if they can't find relevant information for the areas where the two differ. As long as mkiv hasn't settled, this is not easy... In deed. I guess this has most relevance for people new to context, especially those who know latex already and are used to find help easily. >> We should add criterium=cite and criterium=text to the Wiki (Bibliography MKIV page: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography_mkiv). > > You are of course right, but I assume Hans is working on bibliographies right now (he promised to finish something which I need for a project in March, so that leaves him another two weeks ;-), so we should maybe wait a bit. OK, fine. I'm curious what new feature this will bring to us! > criterium=cite should work as well, but doesn't right now. > >> In the beginning it was not clear to me, that http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography refers to the MKII implementation of Taco. Therefore, I would suggest to rename Bibliography to Bibliography_mkii and create an alias Bibliography that redirects to Bibliography_mkiv instead. In the wiki pages Bibliography_mkiv and Bibliography_mkii the first sentence should state that the page is related to mkii/mkiv only and link to the other page. Do you think this is reasonable? > > I had begun rewriting the page. There is now http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliographies which links to the other pages, and which is linked to on the front page. But another context-related project kept me away from this and I never finished this, so fell free to shuffle and rewrite things! I see. I was not aware of this page. I usually find information on the wiki by searching for: "site:wiki.contextgarden.net placepublications". So if there are actually disambiguation pages for mkiv/mkii it makes sense to include mkiv/mkii on both pages (not just one). >> I would like to add a section on customising bibstyle files and add space for sharing reference styles of different journals. What do you think? > > Again, that's a very good idea, but we should maybe wait just a bit till the dust settles a bit. All right. Best, Florian ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? 2011-03-12 12:21 ` Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? Florian Wobbe @ 2011-03-12 13:05 ` Marco 2011-03-12 14:08 ` Mojca Miklavec 2011-03-12 16:20 ` Procházka Lukáš ` (5 subsequent siblings) 6 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Marco @ 2011-03-12 13:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 2011-03-12 Florian Wobbe <Florian.Wobbe@awi.de> wrote: > Maybe we should start a discussion in a new thread to find out: > > 1) why users are confused with mkiv/mkii? Because the old manuals only mention mkii and many things have changed in mkiv and don't work in mkii. It is not easy for beginners to choose between mkii and mkiv. And many are not aware of the two different (and incompatible) versions and mix them up. > 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? First: Users like to install software using the package management system. Installing software manually is considered evil. For software that is updated frequently usually ppa links are provided for the repository. Second: You mentioned it already. Users tend to install »maximals«, not minimals, they don't like rectricted versions if you can get the whole. ;) > 3) how to restructure the garden to make things clearer for newcomers? Make it clear that the minimals are the standard way of using ConTeXt, not TeXlive when they want an up-to-date ConTeXt distribution. A clear advise for mkiv and contra mkii. mkiv is the way to go in the future. > 4) how do users look for information and how to optimise the garden for > search engine requests? I don't see a problem there (but still, maybe other people have). Searching the mailing list, the garden or google for context + pragma usually points to the right direction. > 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? Provide examples using the described features, so they have a point to start from. This is solved in a good way in the pdf documents, not really on the wiki. > I understand the problem. > > Having said that, pages like "Using Mark IV" or "Install Mark IV" should be > renamed to "installing/using context". ACK > Then I am aware of many people who are reluctant to install the minimals. I > now wonder why I (myself) was unwilling to install the minimals in the > first place, having TeXLive installed already. For one it was because of > the extra effort. But I recall it was also the name "The ConTeXt MINIMAL > distribution" that kept me. The name "minimal" somehow suggested something > incomplete or minor to me. It took me a while to figure out that the > minimals is actually more than you get from TexLive. Therefore, I would > suggest leaving out "minimal" and advertise the superior instead. Very true. But it's an established name, I don't believe that it's likely to be changed. Marco ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? 2011-03-12 13:05 ` Marco @ 2011-03-12 14:08 ` Mojca Miklavec 0 siblings, 0 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2011-03-12 14:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Marco On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 14:05, Marco wrote: > On 2011-03-12 Florian Wobbe wrote: > >> Then I am aware of many people who are reluctant to install the minimals. I >> now wonder why I (myself) was unwilling to install the minimals in the >> first place, having TeXLive installed already. For one it was because of >> the extra effort. But I recall it was also the name "The ConTeXt MINIMAL >> distribution" that kept me. The name "minimal" somehow suggested something >> incomplete or minor to me. It took me a while to figure out that the >> minimals is actually more than you get from TexLive. Therefore, I would >> suggest leaving out "minimal" and advertise the superior instead. Interesting point :) > Very true. But it's an established name, I don't believe that it's likely to > be changed. Well, I have been warned several times that we should change the name. I'm procrastinating for over a year already to finish and release a new version (that will be even more minimal, but with more optional fonts etc.) on the new server. It would be an option to rename it to "The ConTeXt Distribution", but the pet name "minimals" will probably stay :) Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? 2011-03-12 12:21 ` Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? Florian Wobbe 2011-03-12 13:05 ` Marco @ 2011-03-12 16:20 ` Procházka Lukáš 2011-03-12 20:02 ` Jaroslav Hajtmar 2011-03-12 20:08 ` C. ` (4 subsequent siblings) 6 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Procházka Lukáš @ 2011-03-12 16:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hello, my personal opinion(s) (some of them very similar to Marco's ones): > 1) why users are confused with mkiv/mkii? (Cannot say; I started with MkIV so for me ConTeXt = MkIV.) > 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? The word "minimals" is a bit confusing. It implies that there must be also Ctx "standard" or Ctx "maximal". Better to be just "ConTeXt"; and if one finds something missing (e.g. fonts? modules?), he may be directed towards some "extras". > 3) how to restructure the garden to make things clearer for newcomers? > 4) how do users look for information and how to optimise the garden for search engine requests? The problem is too-many-incomplete (or obsolete) information sources. Wiki contains many stubs; there are options for commands which are not explained at all, even not mentioned or demonstrated by an example. Similar for contextref.pdf - there are many "todo areas", but be it. But also many command options are not explained at all. From the user's point, when one has a problem, this means 1) search the wiki (he may remember that lately he didn't find an answer, but he should try again, what about if the topic/stub was added/completed?), 2) search the manual (personally, my most favourite source) and 3) to post a question to the mailing list (fortunately, people here do answer swiftly and even very "basic" questions are answered patiently). In my opinion, one information source would be good, a Ctx reference. It might be divided to several parts (e.g. Fonts, Tables, Document Structure Elements, Layers and Overlays, Colouring ConTeXt, ConTeXt and XML...). It should be decided whether the primary source is to be the wiki or the Ctx manual (.pdf). > 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? For LaTeX incomers: it would be good to provide a sample setup (module?) which would make Ctx generated .pdf looking very closely to that been generated by LaTeX. Now, if you see a .pdf document and you are familiar with LaTeX, you recognize immediately whether or not it was generated by LaTeX (Word's signature is also unmatchable). If you create a first document with ConTeXt (moreover when migrating from LaTeX), you probably won't be satisfied with the default look (letters too big, heads not bold, spacing before/after heads too different from LaTeX's; and the LaTeX default document looks very "symphonic" in my opinion) (but also I can imagine that many Ctx defaults cannot be changed due to backward compatibility reasons). The perfect feature of ConTeXt is that all these features may be systematically altered (often [almost] impossible in LaTeX) but you must search enough and study (and maybe ask the forum) to get the result which would fulfil your aesthetic requirements. ---- Treat all above as a personal point of view. I appreciate all work around Ctx and documenting it; and as an active programmer (including writing a user reference) I can imagine effort which must be make to improve a program, to test it and to keep the documentation up-to-date, including adding description of new features (and samples for them) and removing the deprecated ones. Best regards, Lukas ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? 2011-03-12 16:20 ` Procházka Lukáš @ 2011-03-12 20:02 ` Jaroslav Hajtmar 0 siblings, 0 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Jaroslav Hajtmar @ 2011-03-12 20:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context Hello ConTeXist. I installed ConTeXt minimals until pretty late. Before, I used the context in the TeXLive. For a long time I really thought that Minimals are "incomplete" versions of minimal and that there was something more. I was very pleasantly surprised at how easily Minimals installed and is very good, it is easy to automatically update the version. MkII I completely stopped using to create new documents using the MkII and translate only the old stuff. I know from experience that newcomers and MkII MKIV confusing and I have sometimes a problem with incompatibility, because I have long used the MkII. Personally I would advocate a clear separation of the MkII and MKIV in the garden and change "minimals" name to the name that is so misleading - eg directly MarkTeX :-). Greetings Jaroslav Dne 12.3.2011 17:20, Procházka Lukáš napsal(a): > Hello, > > my personal opinion(s) (some of them very similar to Marco's ones): > >> 1) why users are confused with mkiv/mkii? > > (Cannot say; I started with MkIV so for me ConTeXt = MkIV.) > >> 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? > > The word "minimals" is a bit confusing. It implies that there must be > also Ctx "standard" or Ctx "maximal". > > Better to be just "ConTeXt"; and if one finds something missing (e.g. > fonts? modules?), he may be directed towards some "extras". > >> 3) how to restructure the garden to make things clearer for newcomers? >> 4) how do users look for information and how to optimise the garden >> for search engine requests? > > The problem is too-many-incomplete (or obsolete) information sources. > Wiki contains many stubs; there are options for commands which are not > explained at all, even not mentioned or demonstrated by an example. > > Similar for contextref.pdf - there are many "todo areas", but be it. > But also many command options are not explained at all. > > From the user's point, when one has a problem, this means 1) search > the wiki (he may remember that lately he didn't find an answer, but he > should try again, what about if the topic/stub was added/completed?), > 2) search the manual (personally, my most favourite source) and 3) to > post a question to the mailing list (fortunately, people here do > answer swiftly and even very "basic" questions are answered patiently). > > In my opinion, one information source would be good, a Ctx reference. > It might be divided to several parts (e.g. Fonts, Tables, Document > Structure Elements, Layers and Overlays, Colouring ConTeXt, ConTeXt > and XML...). > > It should be decided whether the primary source is to be the wiki or > the Ctx manual (.pdf). > >> 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? > > For LaTeX incomers: it would be good to provide a sample setup > (module?) which would make Ctx generated .pdf looking very closely to > that been generated by LaTeX. > > Now, if you see a .pdf document and you are familiar with LaTeX, you > recognize immediately whether or not it was generated by LaTeX (Word's > signature is also unmatchable). > > If you create a first document with ConTeXt (moreover when migrating > from LaTeX), you probably won't be satisfied with the default look > (letters too big, heads not bold, spacing before/after heads too > different from LaTeX's; and the LaTeX default document looks very > "symphonic" in my opinion) (but also I can imagine that many Ctx > defaults cannot be changed due to backward compatibility reasons). > > The perfect feature of ConTeXt is that all these features may be > systematically altered (often [almost] impossible in LaTeX) but you > must search enough and study (and maybe ask the forum) to get the > result which would fulfil your aesthetic requirements. > > ---- > > Treat all above as a personal point of view. > > I appreciate all work around Ctx and documenting it; and as an active > programmer (including writing a user reference) I can imagine effort > which must be make to improve a program, to test it and to keep the > documentation up-to-date, including adding description of new features > (and samples for them) and removing the deprecated ones. > > Best regards, > > Lukas > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry > to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? 2011-03-12 12:21 ` Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? Florian Wobbe 2011-03-12 13:05 ` Marco 2011-03-12 16:20 ` Procházka Lukáš @ 2011-03-12 20:08 ` C. 2011-03-12 23:04 ` Pontus Lurcock 2011-03-13 7:01 ` Vnpenguin 2011-03-13 4:48 ` mathew ` (3 subsequent siblings) 6 siblings, 2 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: C. @ 2011-03-12 20:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'mailing list for ConTeXt users' Hello, I recently started using context. I migrated from latex to xelatex to context. Mainly because of the better font support. I now value context also for its superior abilities. I feel that I can do more stuff without the use of \usepackage for this, \usepackage for that. When I read the documentation, I get the feeling that a lot of thoughts went into the options that are presented but it's still easy to customize (if you know how to do it :D) Here is my input to your questions. 1) why users are confused with mkiv/mkii? The difference is not well explained. Also, mkii (which I don't use) sounds like "the old version". When I first read about context, it was like "well, we have this and that (mkii and mkiv)" but it should say "we have mkii, [insert here: what can it do, for what users is it recommended, pros/cons] and mkiv [insert info]. If you are not sure what to use, then you should use mkiv, because that is the future." Or something like that. 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? Because they already have it in miktex, texlive. What they don't know is that these versions are outdated and due to the heavy development pretty far behind. Plus, it should say "Context Standalone" because that is what it is. 3) how to restructure the garden to make things clearer for newcomers? I for one would welcome to see more guides like the "titles" guide. Nicely commented and explained code, result as picture. For better structure it would be an option to use code blocks that can be hidden, with a small [+] in front that you can click to see the code. 4) how do users look for information and how to optimise the garden for search engine requests? I read the manual section, if that does not answer it, I google "<what I want> context". Most of the time that takes me to the mail archive. 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? I don't know. Maybe that helps. Christian > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Florian Wobbe [mailto:Florian.Wobbe@awi.de] > Gesendet: Samstag, 12. März 2011 13:21 > An: mailing list for ConTeXt users > Betreff: [NTG-context] Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? > > Maybe we should start a discussion in a new thread to find out: > > 1) why users are confused with mkiv/mkii? > 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? > 3) how to restructure the garden to make things clearer for newcomers? > 4) how do users look for information and how to optimise the garden for > search engine requests? > 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? > > Especially answers from new users to the first three points would be helpful > to answer the fifth point I guess. > > >> In general I find it difficult to differentiate between mkiv and mkii related > information in the wiki. How could we better structure the wiki to make it > easier for the reader? Disambiguation pages, mkiv/mkii sections, > independent pages with mkiv/mkii in headerline? > > Just my 2 cents on this: difficult, because you won't be able to make > everybody happy. Every now and then, I see a new user on the list who asks > about "installing mkiv" and doesn't realize that it is not really something > which you have to install additionally. We shouldn't scare those users > because in so many cases, mkii and mkiv are exactly identical, so that would > be an arguments against a too stric separation. > > I understand the problem. > > Having said that, pages like "Using Mark IV" or "Install Mark IV" should be > renamed to "installing/using context". > > Maybe it would help to include a little box "important things to know" on the > installation page and explain shortly that for historical reasons mkii and mkiv > are distributed together and that the former is regarded deprecated. Maybe > link to a new page: Differences between miiv/mkii and how both are invoked > (context vs. texexec). > > Then I am aware of many people who are reluctant to install the minimals. I > now wonder why I (myself) was unwilling to install the minimals in the first > place, having TeXLive installed already. For one it was because of the extra > effort. But I recall it was also the name "The ConTeXt MINIMAL distribution" > that kept me. The name "minimal" somehow suggested something > incomplete or minor to me. It took me a while to figure out that the minimals > is actually more than you get from TexLive. Therefore, I would suggest > leaving out "minimal" and advertise the superior instead. > > > But of course you're also right that it's frustrating for users if they can't find > relevant information for the areas where the two differ. As long as mkiv > hasn't settled, this is not easy... > > In deed. I guess this has most relevance for people new to context, > especially those who know latex already and are used to find help easily. > > >> We should add criterium=cite and criterium=text to the Wiki (Bibliography > MKIV page: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography_mkiv). > > > > You are of course right, but I assume Hans is working on bibliographies right > now (he promised to finish something which I need for a project in March, so > that leaves him another two weeks ;-), so we should maybe wait a bit. > > OK, fine. I'm curious what new feature this will bring to us! > > > criterium=cite should work as well, but doesn't right now. > > > >> In the beginning it was not clear to me, that > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography refers to the MKII > implementation of Taco. Therefore, I would suggest to rename Bibliography > to Bibliography_mkii and create an alias Bibliography that redirects to > Bibliography_mkiv instead. In the wiki pages Bibliography_mkiv and > Bibliography_mkii the first sentence should state that the page is related to > mkii/mkiv only and link to the other page. Do you think this is reasonable? > > > > I had begun rewriting the page. There is now > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliographies which links to the other pages, > and which is linked to on the front page. But another context-related project > kept me away from this and I never finished this, so fell free to shuffle and > rewrite things! > > I see. I was not aware of this page. I usually find information on the wiki by > searching for: "site:wiki.contextgarden.net placepublications". So if there are > actually disambiguation pages for mkiv/mkii it makes sense to include > mkiv/mkii on both pages (not just one). > > >> I would like to add a section on customising bibstyle files and add space > for sharing reference styles of different journals. What do you think? > > > > Again, that's a very good idea, but we should maybe wait just a bit till the > dust settles a bit. > > All right. > > Best, > Florian > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? 2011-03-12 20:08 ` C. @ 2011-03-12 23:04 ` Pontus Lurcock 2011-03-14 7:46 ` Taco Hoekwater 2011-03-13 7:01 ` Vnpenguin 1 sibling, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Pontus Lurcock @ 2011-03-12 23:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On Sat 12 Mar 2011, C. wrote: > 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? > Because they already have it in miktex, texlive. What they don't know is > that these versions are outdated and due to the heavy development pretty > far behind. Plus, it should say "Context Standalone" because that is what it > is. I think "Context Standalone" would be a good name: as I understand it, "minimals" refers to the fact that it doesn't include other TeX formats and associated baggage; "standalone" conveys the same idea with less ambiguity, and hints at the fact that it won't interfere with your system's package manager. > 3) how to restructure the garden to make things clearer for newcomers? > I for one would welcome to see more guides like the "titles" guide. Agreed. I've been learning Python matplotlib at the same time as ConTeXt, and find that the quickest way is to pick an example plot from the (extensive) gallery that looks similar to what I want, then progressively modify the source code into what I need. A similar collection of common use-cases for ConTeXt would be great for beginners, I think. > 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? > I don't know. Someone above suggested packaging layouts to approximate the standard LaTeX look, and I too think that this would help. Not that I find the standard LaTeX look very pretty, but familiarity is a powerful force... Pont ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? 2011-03-12 23:04 ` Pontus Lurcock @ 2011-03-14 7:46 ` Taco Hoekwater 2011-03-14 20:26 ` Mojca Miklavec 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2011-03-14 7:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi, On 03/13/2011 12:04 AM, Pontus Lurcock wrote: > On Sat 12 Mar 2011, C. wrote: > >> 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? >> Because they already have it in miktex, texlive. What they don't know is >> that these versions are outdated and due to the heavy development pretty >> far behind. Plus, it should say "Context Standalone" because that is what it >> is. > > I think "Context Standalone" would be a good name: as I understand it, > "minimals" refers to the fact that it doesn't include other TeX > formats and associated baggage; "standalone" conveys the same idea > with less ambiguity, and hints at the fact that it won't interfere > with your system's package manager. I agree, that sounds like a good name. Mojca, this does not need much more initial work than fixing the wiki pages, right? Best wishes, Taco ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? 2011-03-14 7:46 ` Taco Hoekwater @ 2011-03-14 20:26 ` Mojca Miklavec 2011-03-14 21:15 ` mathew 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2011-03-14 20:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Taco Hoekwater On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 08:46, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > Mojca, this does not need > much more initial work than fixing the wiki pages, right? Except that wiki pages are in a really horrible shape when it comes to Installation pages. I bet that 90% of pages are outdated with wrong information about how to break TeX Live 2009 with the latest ConTeXt MKIV version, how to break MikTeX 2.7 by creating a couple of .bat files to run the latest ConTeXt, how to install on SuSE from 2007, etc. I'm just not sure what and where to start fixing anything unless I create a full list of outdated pages, create a full backup, delete everything and write everything from scratch. If anyone has the slightest idea where to start, please do it. Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? 2011-03-14 20:26 ` Mojca Miklavec @ 2011-03-14 21:15 ` mathew 0 siblings, 0 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: mathew @ 2011-03-14 21:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 15:26, Mojca Miklavec <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote: > Except that wiki pages are in a really horrible shape when it comes to > Installation pages. [...] > If anyone has the slightest idea where to start, please do it. FWIW, I updated the Ubuntu pages last week. The OS X pages don't seem to be out of date. mathew ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? 2011-03-12 20:08 ` C. 2011-03-12 23:04 ` Pontus Lurcock @ 2011-03-13 7:01 ` Vnpenguin 1 sibling, 0 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Vnpenguin @ 2011-03-13 7:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 21:08, C. <metan0r@gmx.de> wrote: > Hello, > > I recently started using context. I migrated from latex to xelatex to > context. Mainly because of the better font support. I now value context also > for its superior abilities. I feel that I can do more stuff without the use > of \usepackage for this, \usepackage for that. When I read the > documentation, I get the feeling that a lot of thoughts went into the > options that are presented but it's still easy to customize (if you know how > to do it :D) > Here is my input to your questions. > > 1) why users are confused with mkiv/mkii? > The difference is not well explained. Also, mkii (which I don't use) sounds > like "the old version". When I first read about context, it was like "well, > we have this and that (mkii and mkiv)" but it should say "we have mkii, > [insert here: what can it do, for what users is it recommended, pros/cons] > and mkiv [insert info]. If you are not sure what to use, then you should use > mkiv, because that is the future." Or something like that. For me I don't care mkii. I use only mkiv. It's better to separate completely mkii from mkiv distribution. Yes, I see, in this case there is some work more for ConTeXt team. > 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? > Because they already have it in miktex, texlive. What they don't know is > that these versions are outdated and due to the heavy development pretty > far behind. Plus, it should say "Context Standalone" because that is what it > is. Yes, agreed ! mkii should be named "ConTeXt Legacy" ? ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? 2011-03-12 12:21 ` Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? Florian Wobbe ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2011-03-12 20:08 ` C. @ 2011-03-13 4:48 ` mathew 2011-03-13 5:03 ` Pontus Lurcock 2011-03-14 13:04 ` Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? Carlos Breton Besnier ` (2 subsequent siblings) 6 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: mathew @ 2011-03-13 4:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 06:21, Florian Wobbe <Florian.Wobbe@awi.de> wrote: > Then I am aware of many people who are reluctant to install the >minimals. I now wonder why I (myself) was unwilling to install the >minimals in the first place, having TeXLive installed already. For one >it was because of the extra effort. My experience on Ubuntu is that if you install the ConTeXt minimals in your path, they break a bunch of stuff from TeXLive, such as pdfcrop. I ended up writing my own pdfcrop because I couldn't work out how to get the one from my distribution working at the same time as the ConTeXt minimals. I'd have gone back to my distro's copy of ConTeXt, if it wasn't for the fact that it dates back to 2009 and I'd already hit a bug in it that's fixed in the minimals. mathew -- <URL:http://www.pobox.com/~meta/> ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? 2011-03-13 4:48 ` mathew @ 2011-03-13 5:03 ` Pontus Lurcock 2011-03-13 6:25 ` luigi scarso 2011-03-13 21:35 ` Minimals (was: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?) Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 2 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Pontus Lurcock @ 2011-03-13 5:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On Sat 12 Mar 2011, mathew wrote: > My experience on Ubuntu is that if you install the ConTeXt minimals > in your path, they break a bunch of stuff from TeXLive, such as > pdfcrop. I have the minimals installed but with no automatic setup in .bashrc or similar. So when I need to run ConTeXt, I fire up a new terminal and explicitly ‘source /path/to/minimals/context/tex/setuptex’ before doing anything else. Anything I run in a different terminal just gets the standard paths for the system's TeXLive installation. Pont ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? 2011-03-13 5:03 ` Pontus Lurcock @ 2011-03-13 6:25 ` luigi scarso 2011-03-13 7:42 ` Minimals (was: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?) Alan BRASLAU 2011-03-13 21:35 ` Minimals (was: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?) Henning Hraban Ramm 1 sibling, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2011-03-13 6:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Pontus Lurcock <pont@talvi.net> wrote: > On Sat 12 Mar 2011, mathew wrote: > >> My experience on Ubuntu is that if you install the ConTeXt minimals >> in your path, they break a bunch of stuff from TeXLive, such as >> pdfcrop. > > I have the minimals installed but with no automatic setup in .bashrc > or similar. So when I need to run ConTeXt, I fire up a new terminal > and explicitly ‘source /path/to/minimals/context/tex/setuptex’ before > doing anything else. Anything I run in a different terminal just gets > the standard paths for the system's TeXLive installation. this is the right way to work with minimals (in linux is easy than windows). -- luigi ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals (was: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?) 2011-03-13 6:25 ` luigi scarso @ 2011-03-13 7:42 ` Alan BRASLAU 2011-03-13 7:56 ` Minimals Taco Hoekwater 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Alan BRASLAU @ 2011-03-13 7:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On Sunday 13 March 2011 07:25:03 luigi scarso wrote: > On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Pontus Lurcock <pont@talvi.net> wrote: > > On Sat 12 Mar 2011, mathew wrote: > >> My experience on Ubuntu is that if you install the ConTeXt minimals > >> in your path, they break a bunch of stuff from TeXLive, such as > >> pdfcrop. > > > > I have the minimals installed but with no automatic setup in .bashrc > > or similar. So when I need to run ConTeXt, I fire up a new terminal > > and explicitly ‘source /path/to/minimals/context/tex/setuptex’ before > > doing anything else. Anything I run in a different terminal just gets > > the standard paths for the system's TeXLive installation. > > this is the right way to work with minimals (in linux is easy than > windows). Except if one works principly with ConTeXt, in which case it is much nicer to have /path/to/minimials by default in PATH. I do the opposite: if ever I need to use latex (lualatex!), this works just fine, except for a few programs such as bibtex for which I just define special aliases: tbibtex -> /usr/local/texlive/2010/bin/x86_64-linux/bibtex etc. I guess that `luatex' is a problem. Maybe the minimals could evolve slightly so that there be *no* name conflicts with texlive except for ConTeXt itself, of course? (It appears that pdfcrop gets broken through a confusion over luatex, perhaps other texlive programs as well.) Alan ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals 2011-03-13 7:42 ` Minimals (was: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?) Alan BRASLAU @ 2011-03-13 7:56 ` Taco Hoekwater 2011-03-13 8:22 ` Minimals luigi scarso 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2011-03-13 7:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 03/13/2011 08:42 AM, Alan BRASLAU wrote: > On Sunday 13 March 2011 07:25:03 luigi scarso wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Pontus Lurcock<pont@talvi.net> wrote: >>> On Sat 12 Mar 2011, mathew wrote: >>>> My experience on Ubuntu is that if you install the ConTeXt minimals >>>> in your path, they break a bunch of stuff from TeXLive, such as >>>> pdfcrop. >>> >>> I have the minimals installed but with no automatic setup in .bashrc >>> or similar. So when I need to run ConTeXt, I fire up a new terminal >>> and explicitly ‘source /path/to/minimals/context/tex/setuptex’ before >>> doing anything else. Anything I run in a different terminal just gets >>> the standard paths for the system's TeXLive installation. >> >> this is the right way to work with minimals (in linux is easy than >> windows). > > Except if one works principly with ConTeXt, in which case it is much > nicer to have /path/to/minimials by default in PATH. > > I do the opposite: if ever I need to use latex (lualatex!), If I need lualatex, I just push the TeXLive bin directory to the front of my path. (exact opposite of Pontus' approach). Best wishes, Taco ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals 2011-03-13 7:56 ` Minimals Taco Hoekwater @ 2011-03-13 8:22 ` luigi scarso 0 siblings, 0 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2011-03-13 8:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> wrote: > On 03/13/2011 08:42 AM, Alan BRASLAU wrote: >> >> On Sunday 13 March 2011 07:25:03 luigi scarso wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Pontus Lurcock<pont@talvi.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Sat 12 Mar 2011, mathew wrote: >>>>> >>>>> My experience on Ubuntu is that if you install the ConTeXt minimals >>>>> in your path, they break a bunch of stuff from TeXLive, such as >>>>> pdfcrop. >>>> >>>> I have the minimals installed but with no automatic setup in .bashrc >>>> or similar. So when I need to run ConTeXt, I fire up a new terminal >>>> and explicitly ‘source /path/to/minimals/context/tex/setuptex’ before >>>> doing anything else. Anything I run in a different terminal just gets >>>> the standard paths for the system's TeXLive installation. >>> >>> this is the right way to work with minimals (in linux is easy than >>> windows). >> >> Except if one works principly with ConTeXt, in which case it is much >> nicer to have /path/to/minimials by default in PATH. >> >> I do the opposite: if ever I need to use latex (lualatex!), > > If I need lualatex, I just push the TeXLive bin directory to the front > of my path. (exact opposite of Pontus' approach). ah ok, now I see. My PATH env var. has not a TeXLive or minimals path by default. Every time I need a TeXLive or minimals, I open a shell and setup the its path and I never mix the paths --- just open another shell in another working spaces (In linux I use 16 working spaces) or another tab in gnome-terminal. In this way I can work with different TeXLive and different minimals For example I have under /opt/luatex/texlive 2008 2008-texmf-local 2009 2009-texmf-local 2010 2010-texmf-local and ~10 different minimals under opt/luatex Of course this can be a problem with editors that expect just one path, but I use emacs, so... -- luigi ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals (was: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?) 2011-03-13 5:03 ` Pontus Lurcock 2011-03-13 6:25 ` luigi scarso @ 2011-03-13 21:35 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2011-03-14 7:40 ` Mojca Miklavec 1 sibling, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2011-03-13 21:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 2011-03-13 um 06:03 schrieb Pontus Lurcock: > I have the minimals installed but with no automatic setup in .bashrc > or similar. So when I need to run ConTeXt, I fire up a new terminal > and explicitly ‘source /path/to/minimals/context/tex/setuptex’ before > doing anything else. Anything I run in a different terminal just gets > the standard paths for the system's TeXLive installation. I do the same on OSX (even if simply because setuptex is too slow for every new Terminal window, where I don’t need it) but set alias setuptex='. /path/to/tex/setuptex /path/to/tex' in my .bashrc (or .profile, that is). Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals (was: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?) 2011-03-13 21:35 ` Minimals (was: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden?) Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2011-03-14 7:40 ` Mojca Miklavec 0 siblings, 0 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2011-03-14 7:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Henning Hraban Ramm On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 22:35, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > > even if simply because setuptex is too slow for every > new Terminal window You can just as well use export PATH=/path/to/tex/texmf-osx-64/bin:$PATH which should be much faster. Setuptex doesn't do anything else. Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? 2011-03-12 12:21 ` Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? Florian Wobbe ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 2011-03-13 4:48 ` mathew @ 2011-03-14 13:04 ` Carlos Breton Besnier 2011-03-14 15:16 ` Carlos Breton Besnier 2011-03-14 15:17 ` Carlos Breton 6 siblings, 0 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Carlos Breton Besnier @ 2011-03-14 13:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 625 bytes --] 2011/3/12 Florian Wobbe <Florian.Wobbe@awi.de> > Maybe we should start a discussion in a new thread to find out: > > 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? > > I think is needed a installation guide for non-technical. A guide not only for programmers but a simple guide for dummies. Like me, I write law books. Latex installation and update is very simple for beginners. On Windows with MiKTeX, everyone can write very soon his first document. Not so with ConTeXt, except old stand-alone installation. It's cause of frustration and after several attempts they give up. Then they return to LaTeX (like me too). [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 905 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 486 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? 2011-03-12 12:21 ` Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? Florian Wobbe ` (4 preceding siblings ...) 2011-03-14 13:04 ` Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? Carlos Breton Besnier @ 2011-03-14 15:16 ` Carlos Breton Besnier 2011-03-16 12:37 ` Vedran Miletić 2011-03-14 15:17 ` Carlos Breton 6 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Carlos Breton Besnier @ 2011-03-14 15:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 644 bytes --] 2011/3/12 Florian Wobbe <Florian.Wobbe@awi.de> > Maybe we should start a discussion in a new thread to find out: > > 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? > > I think is needed a installation guide for non-technical. A guide not only for programmers but a simple guide for dummies. Like me, I am no-developer, I write law books. Latex installation and update is very simple for beginners. On Windows with MiKTeX, everyone can write very soon his first document. Not so with ConTeXt, except old stand-alone installation. It's cause of frustration and after several attempts they give up. Then they return to LaTeX (like me too). [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 919 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 486 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? 2011-03-14 15:16 ` Carlos Breton Besnier @ 2011-03-16 12:37 ` Vedran Miletić 2011-04-26 10:27 ` Ian Lawrence 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Vedran Miletić @ 2011-03-16 12:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Carlos Breton Besnier [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1032 bytes --] 2011/3/14 Carlos Breton Besnier <breton.carlos@gmail.com> > > > 2011/3/12 Florian Wobbe <Florian.Wobbe@awi.de> > >> Maybe we should start a discussion in a new thread to find out: >> >> 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? >> >> > I think is needed a installation guide for non-technical. A guide not only > for programmers but a simple guide for dummies. Like me, I am no-developer, > I write law books. Latex installation and update is very simple for > beginners. On Windows with MiKTeX, everyone can write very soon his first > document. Not so with ConTeXt, except old stand-alone installation. It's > cause of frustration and after several attempts they give up. Then they > return to LaTeX (like me too). > Well, with TeX Live 2010 it's very simple to use MkII with both pdfTeX and XeTeX. Hopefully, some future version of TeX Live (2011?) will offer the same for MkIV. Script is already there, it's just not integrated with TeXworks in TeX Live yet. Regards, Vedran Miletić [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1657 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 486 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? 2011-03-16 12:37 ` Vedran Miletić @ 2011-04-26 10:27 ` Ian Lawrence 0 siblings, 0 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Ian Lawrence @ 2011-04-26 10:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Well, I am a beginner. I have just lost 2 hours trying to do something which ought to be simple. Perhaps now I have spent 10's of hours working at my understanding, yet still I have to look up the simplest essentials, often. And I think knowing what kind of things it is, and where one might look are necessary lubricants for this process. I think you probably cannot have too many (documented) examples. Things which are very obvious to some , are not so obvious to others. And if too much has to be done by trial and error then everything is very slow... Very very slow. For me, there is too much that is cryptic in the Wiki. Often I read the entry and am no wiser. Each word is well formed, but there is no mental model emerging. Maybe a wiki is good place for archiving, curating and exchanging tips, but just not so good for learning from scratch. The 'Starting with Context' pdf I find very good, but for later work all kinds of things are 'bad style', 'deprecated' etc. So maybe a way in to thinking about what to do is to consider how the newer user might get a handle on what Context is really for, and why one might prefer it to manually typesetting documents... Kind regards Ian 2011/3/16 Vedran Miletić <rivanvx@gmail.com>: > 2011/3/14 Carlos Breton Besnier <breton.carlos@gmail.com> >> >> >> 2011/3/12 Florian Wobbe <Florian.Wobbe@awi.de> >>> >>> Maybe we should start a discussion in a new thread to find out: >>> >>> 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? >>> >> >> I think is needed a installation guide for non-technical. A guide not only >> for programmers but a simple guide for dummies. Like me, I am no-developer, >> I write law books. Latex installation and update is very simple for >> beginners. On Windows with MiKTeX, everyone can write very soon his first >> document. Not so with ConTeXt, except old stand-alone installation. It's >> cause of frustration and after several attempts they give up. Then they >> return to LaTeX (like me too). > > Well, with TeX Live 2010 it's very simple to use MkII with both pdfTeX and > XeTeX. Hopefully, some future version of TeX Live (2011?) will offer the > same for MkIV. Script is already there, it's just not integrated with > TeXworks in TeX Live yet. > > Regards, > > Vedran Miletić > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? 2011-03-12 12:21 ` Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? Florian Wobbe ` (5 preceding siblings ...) 2011-03-14 15:16 ` Carlos Breton Besnier @ 2011-03-14 15:17 ` Carlos Breton 6 siblings, 0 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Carlos Breton @ 2011-03-14 15:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 647 bytes --] 2011/3/12 Florian Wobbe <Florian.Wobbe@awi.de> > Maybe we should start a discussion in a new thread to find out: > > 5) how to better promote context to new/latex users? > > > I think is needed a installation guide for non-technical. A guide not only for programmers but a simple guide for dummies. Like me, I am no-developer, I write law books. Latex installation and update is very simple for beginners. On Windows with MiKTeX, everyone can write very soon his first document. Not so with ConTeXt, except old stand-alone installation. It's cause of frustration and after several attempts they give up. Then they return to LaTeX (like me too). [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 941 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 486 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: \setuppublications problem 2011-03-12 11:08 ` Thomas Schmitz 2011-03-12 12:21 ` Ideas for restructuring the ConTeXt garden? Florian Wobbe @ 2011-03-12 16:02 ` John Haltiwanger 1 sibling, 0 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: John Haltiwanger @ 2011-03-12 16:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Thomas Schmitz [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1054 bytes --] On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 6:08 AM, Thomas Schmitz <tschmit1@uni-bonn.de>wrote: > Hi Florian, > > > On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:45:16 +0100 > Florian Wobbe <Florian.Wobbe@awi.de> wrote: > >> Have you tried \placepublications[criterium=all] or >>> \placepublications[criterium=text]? >> >> > > We should > >> add criterium=cite and criterium=text to the Wiki (Bibliography MKIV page: >> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Bibliography_mkiv). >> > > You are of course right, but I assume Hans is working on bibliographies > right now (he promised to finish something which I need for a project in > March, so that leaves him another two weeks ;-), so we should maybe wait a > bit. criterium=cite should work as well, but doesn't right now. > > This is exciting. I think it's very important that we throw out BibTeX altogether in MkIV, and I hope that this work Hans is doing right now is somehow related to it. If it were ever possible to implement bibliography styles with something akin to string.format Lua calls, well, who wouldn't love that kind of flexibility? [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1884 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 486 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
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@ 2014-01-01 14:41 Hans Hagen
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Hi,
The current windows version on the garden is broken, so don't update for
a few days. The binaries will be fixed asap (but these are not the
easiest days for this kind of things).
Hans
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Hi,
Is minimals.contextgarden.net offline?
Hans
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread* Re: minimals 2012-09-26 21:39 minimals Hans Hagen @ 2012-09-27 8:05 ` Mojca Miklavec 2012-09-29 1:20 ` minimals Mica Semrick 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2012-09-27 8:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > Hi, > > Is minimals.contextgarden.net offline? Until we figure out what exactly is wrong one can use the mirror: rsync://metatex.org/minimals/ http://minimals.metatex.org/ Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: minimals 2012-09-27 8:05 ` minimals Mojca Miklavec @ 2012-09-29 1:20 ` Mica Semrick 2012-09-29 7:25 ` minimals Johan Sandblom 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Mica Semrick @ 2012-09-29 1:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1020 bytes --] I may be dumb... but I can't figure out how to change the mirror. minimals.contextgarden.net seems to be hard-coded in a number of places. Help please? Best, Mica On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Mojca Miklavec < mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Is minimals.contextgarden.net offline? > > Until we figure out what exactly is wrong one can use the mirror: > > rsync://metatex.org/minimals/ > http://minimals.metatex.org/ > > Mojca > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 2044 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: minimals 2012-09-29 1:20 ` minimals Mica Semrick @ 2012-09-29 7:25 ` Johan Sandblom 2012-09-29 11:27 ` minimals Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Johan Sandblom @ 2012-09-29 7:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users It is indeed somewhat complicated. Changes are needed in first-setup.sh as well as in mtx-update.lua. To complicate matters, one of the first things that happens in first-setup.sh is to retrieve a fresh and unaltered mtx-update.lua. My naïve recipe follows: 1. change contextgarden.net to metatex.org on line 99 of first-setup.sh 2. run once, which fails, but updates mtx-update.lua 3. comment out line 99 of first-setup.sh, to prevent further updates of scripts 4. change line 534 of mtx-update.lua to contain metatex.org instead of contextgarden.net run first-update.sh again, this time hopfully with success. May I suggest that the version of mtx-update.lua that can be retrieved from metatex.org contains references to that server and not contextgarden.net. I realize that then it is no longer a mirror, but on the other hand it may be useful when contextgarden is down. Johan 2012-09-29 03:20 skrev Mica Semrick: > I may be dumb... but I can't figure out how to change the mirror. > minimals.contextgarden.net [1] seems to be hard-coded in a number of > places. Help please? > > Best, > Mica > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Mojca Miklavec > <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > Is minimals.contextgarden.net [1] offline? >> >> Until we figure out what exactly is wrong one can use the mirror: >> >> rsync://metatex.org/minimals/ [2] >> http://minimals.metatex.org/ [3] >> >> Mojca >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an >> entry to the Wiki! >> >> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / >> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context [4] >> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl [5] / http://tex.aanhet.net [6] >> archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ [7] >> wiki : http://contextgarden.net [8] >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Links: > ------ > [1] http://minimals.contextgarden.net > [2] http://metatex.org/minimals/ > [3] http://minimals.metatex.org/ > [4] http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > [5] http://www.pragma-ade.nl > [6] http://tex.aanhet.net > [7] http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > [8] http://contextgarden.net > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an > entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ -- Johan Sandblom, MD PhD m +46735521477 What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the will to find out, which is the exact opposite --Bertrand Russell ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: minimals 2012-09-29 7:25 ` minimals Johan Sandblom @ 2012-09-29 11:27 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2012-09-29 11:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 29-9-2012 09:25, Johan Sandblom wrote: > It is indeed somewhat complicated. Changes are needed in first-setup.sh > as well as in mtx-update.lua. To complicate matters, one of the first > things that happens in first-setup.sh is to retrieve a fresh and > unaltered mtx-update.lua. My naïve recipe follows: > > 1. change contextgarden.net to metatex.org on line 99 of first-setup.sh > 2. run once, which fails, but updates mtx-update.lua > 3. comment out line 99 of first-setup.sh, to prevent further updates of > scripts > 4. change line 534 of mtx-update.lua to contain metatex.org instead of > contextgarden.net > > run first-update.sh again, this time hopfully with success. > > May I suggest that the version of mtx-update.lua that can be retrieved > from metatex.org contains references to that server and not > contextgarden.net. I realize that then it is no longer a mirror, but on > the other hand it may be useful when contextgarden is down. One of these days the minimals repository will be moved to the machine that runs the garden. After that we will change the scripts to find an active mirror. (if you do have the basic bin dir alrwady you can use another mirror with --server=...) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* minimals
@ 2011-08-18 15:40 Hans Hagen
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Hi,
I uploaded a new beta but please don't update the minimals as it looks
like the texmf-context/tex tree gets lost on the server
Hans
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@ 2010-06-14 13:18 Hans Hagen
2010-06-15 8:05 ` minimals Martin 'golodhrim' Scholz
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Hi,
i'm experimenting with the minimals so best not update now
(i need to do tests that i cannot do locally)
Hans
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread* Re: minimals 2010-06-14 13:18 minimals Hans Hagen @ 2010-06-15 8:05 ` Martin 'golodhrim' Scholz 2010-06-15 8:47 ` minimals Hans Hagen 2010-06-15 17:25 ` minimals Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Martin 'golodhrim' Scholz @ 2010-06-15 8:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:18:05 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: > Hi, > > i'm experimenting with the minimals so best not update now > > (i need to do tests that i cannot do locally) > > Hans Hi Hans, can you let us know when it is save again to start an update? Greetings -- --- Martin 'golodhrim' Scholz Auf dem Sattler 4 34516 Ederbringhausen Phone: +49 6454 799623 mobile: +49 176 63301749 Fax: +49 6454 e-Mail: scholz.m82@googlemail.com A tautology is a thing which is tautological. ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: minimals 2010-06-15 8:05 ` minimals Martin 'golodhrim' Scholz @ 2010-06-15 8:47 ` Hans Hagen 2010-06-15 17:25 ` minimals Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-06-15 8:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Martin 'golodhrim' Scholz On 15-6-2010 10:05, Martin 'golodhrim' Scholz wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:18:05 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> i'm experimenting with the minimals so best not update now >> >> (i need to do tests that i cannot do locally) >> >> Hans > > Hi Hans, > > can you let us know when it is save again to start an update? sure, i nailed down the problem to a patch for tex live that taco and i cooked up last weekend and that somehow works there but spoils the current beta Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: minimals 2010-06-15 8:05 ` minimals Martin 'golodhrim' Scholz 2010-06-15 8:47 ` minimals Hans Hagen @ 2010-06-15 17:25 ` Hans Hagen 2010-06-15 17:41 ` minimals luigi scarso 2010-06-15 17:48 ` minimals Thomas A. Schmitz 1 sibling, 2 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-06-15 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Martin 'golodhrim' Scholz On 15-6-2010 10:05, Martin 'golodhrim' Scholz wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:18:05 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> i'm experimenting with the minimals so best not update now >> >> (i need to do tests that i cannot do locally) >> >> Hans > > Hi Hans, > > can you let us know when it is save again to start an update? you can give it a try ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: minimals 2010-06-15 17:25 ` minimals Hans Hagen @ 2010-06-15 17:41 ` luigi scarso 2010-06-15 18:03 ` minimals Bernhard Rosensteiner 2010-06-15 17:48 ` minimals Thomas A. Schmitz 1 sibling, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2010-06-15 17:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > you can give it a try It looks ok on my linux 32bit box -- luigi ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: minimals 2010-06-15 17:41 ` minimals luigi scarso @ 2010-06-15 18:03 ` Bernhard Rosensteiner 2010-06-15 21:42 ` minimals Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Bernhard Rosensteiner @ 2010-06-15 18:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 443 bytes --] Am 15.06.2010 um 19:41 schrieb luigi scarso: > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: >> you can give it a try > It looks ok on my linux 32bit box > -- > luigi on mac snow leopard it works again. Kerning on Adobe Fonts is also ok now, however it is not exactly the same as before. Letters attached to T are to near. See: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2082519/Typescript_Test_2.pdf best regards Bernhard [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 901 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 486 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: minimals 2010-06-15 18:03 ` minimals Bernhard Rosensteiner @ 2010-06-15 21:42 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-06-15 21:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 15-6-2010 8:03, Bernhard Rosensteiner wrote: > Am 15.06.2010 um 19:41 schrieb luigi scarso: > >> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Hans Hagen<pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: >>> you can give it a try >> It looks ok on my linux 32bit box >> -- >> luigi > > on mac snow leopard it works again. Kerning on Adobe Fonts is also ok now, however it is not exactly the same as before. Letters attached to T are to near. See: looks different here, so it's hard to check without your test file did you erase the font cache? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: minimals 2010-06-15 17:25 ` minimals Hans Hagen 2010-06-15 17:41 ` minimals luigi scarso @ 2010-06-15 17:48 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 2010-06-15 18:11 ` minimals Michael Murphy 2010-06-15 21:43 ` minimals Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 2 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2010-06-15 17:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Jun 15, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > you can give it a try What about the cannot open tree:////Users/tas/texmf/: No such file or directory error? I'm still getting it... Thomas ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: minimals 2010-06-15 17:48 ` minimals Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2010-06-15 18:11 ` Michael Murphy 2010-06-15 18:18 ` minimals Thomas A. Schmitz 2010-06-15 21:43 ` minimals Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Michael Murphy @ 2010-06-15 18:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 15/06/2010 19:48, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > > On Jun 15, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > >> you can give it a try > > What about the > > cannot open tree:////Users/tas/texmf/: No such file or directory > > error? I'm still getting it... Does the directory exist? If there is nothing important there, just delete it. -- Michael Murphy ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: minimals 2010-06-15 18:11 ` minimals Michael Murphy @ 2010-06-15 18:18 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 0 siblings, 0 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2010-06-15 18:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Jun 15, 2010, at 8:11 PM, Michael Murphy wrote: > Does the directory exist? If there is nothing important there, just delete it. It's my HOMETEXMF tree... ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: minimals 2010-06-15 17:48 ` minimals Thomas A. Schmitz 2010-06-15 18:11 ` minimals Michael Murphy @ 2010-06-15 21:43 ` Hans Hagen 2010-06-15 23:17 ` minimals Otared Kavian 1 sibling, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-06-15 21:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Thomas A. Schmitz On 15-6-2010 7:48, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > > On Jun 15, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > >> you can give it a try > > What about the > > cannot open tree:////Users/tas/texmf/: No such file or directory do others on the mac observe the same? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: minimals 2010-06-15 21:43 ` minimals Hans Hagen @ 2010-06-15 23:17 ` Otared Kavian 2010-06-15 23:22 ` minimals Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Otared Kavian @ 2010-06-15 23:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 15 juin 2010, at 23:43, Hans Hagen wrote: > > do others on the mac observe the same? > > Hans > Hi Hans, I just updated to the latest minimal, and everything works perfectly on my MacBook Pro running Mac OS X 10.6.3. I get: LuaTeX version 60, LuaTeX revision 1, (LuaTeX date stamp 2010042810), ConTeXt version 2010.06.15 17:06. I haven't noticed any kerning problems with the usual fonts I use, and the issue reported by Thomas S. doesn't show up for me. However, I notice that the version I have runs much faster than the previous ones, especially in mkii mode: is this because you have done something magic, or am I being too tired and slow minded? :-) In any case, many many thanks… Best regards: OK ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: minimals 2010-06-15 23:17 ` minimals Otared Kavian @ 2010-06-15 23:22 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2010-06-15 23:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Otared Kavian On 16-6-2010 1:17, Otared Kavian wrote: > > On 15 juin 2010, at 23:43, Hans Hagen wrote: >> >> do others on the mac observe the same? >> >> Hans >> > > Hi Hans, > > I just updated to the latest minimal, and everything works perfectly on my MacBook Pro running Mac OS X 10.6.3. > I get: > LuaTeX version 60, LuaTeX revision 1, (LuaTeX date stamp 2010042810), > ConTeXt version 2010.06.15 17:06. > > I haven't noticed any kerning problems with the usual fonts I use, and the issue reported by Thomas S. doesn't show up for me. > > However, I notice that the version I have runs much faster than the previous ones, especially in mkii mode: is this because you have done something magic, or am I being too tired and slow minded? :-) a few path definitions are optimized which might make kpse faster (mkii uses kpse); the minimal trees are definitely faster than a full tex install (way less files) also, mtxrun is the official stub for all scripts (replacing the ruby texmfstart) it might also be faster in the startup Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Minimals @ 2009-10-05 14:59 Jörg Hagmann 2009-10-06 11:46 ` Minimals Hans Hagen 2009-10-06 12:58 ` Minimals Aditya Mahajan 0 siblings, 2 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Jörg Hagmann @ 2009-10-05 14:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context Installing the minimals on ubuntu works with "first-setup.sh" without remaking the formats, in both mkII and mkiv. Installing them on my mac (10.5.8) (same procedure), mkii only works after remaking the formats, whereas remaking them for mkiv didn't help (Fatal Error : Your format does not match the base files!). Shouldn't first-setup.sh behave the same way on both computers? Cheers, Jörg ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals 2009-10-05 14:59 Minimals Jörg Hagmann @ 2009-10-06 11:46 ` Hans Hagen 2009-10-06 12:58 ` Minimals Aditya Mahajan 1 sibling, 0 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2009-10-06 11:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Jörg Hagmann wrote: > Installing the minimals on ubuntu works with "first-setup.sh" without > remaking the formats, in both mkII and mkiv. > > Installing them on my mac (10.5.8) (same procedure), mkii only works > after remaking the formats, whereas remaking them for mkiv didn't help > (Fatal Error : Your format does not match the base files!). > > Shouldn't first-setup.sh behave the same way on both computers? yes ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals 2009-10-05 14:59 Minimals Jörg Hagmann 2009-10-06 11:46 ` Minimals Hans Hagen @ 2009-10-06 12:58 ` Aditya Mahajan 2009-10-06 13:10 ` Minimals Jörg Hagmann 1 sibling, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2009-10-06 12:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1: Type: TEXT/PLAIN, Size: 535 bytes --] On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Jörg Hagmann wrote: > Installing the minimals on ubuntu works with "first-setup.sh" without > remaking the formats, in both mkII and mkiv. > > Installing them on my mac (10.5.8) (same procedure), mkii only works after > remaking the formats, whereas remaking them for mkiv didn't help (Fatal Error > : Your format does not match the base files!). Are you using the same shell in both. I vaguely remember that in some shells you need "source setuptex" while in others you need ". setuptex". Aditya [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals 2009-10-06 12:58 ` Minimals Aditya Mahajan @ 2009-10-06 13:10 ` Jörg Hagmann 2009-10-06 13:21 ` Minimals Aditya Mahajan 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Jörg Hagmann @ 2009-10-06 13:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Yes, bash. And, as I said, after remaking the formats (shouldn't be necessary) mkii, but not mkiv, works on the mac. It's no problem for me: I never update the most recent working installation; I always install from scratch and only delete the old one when everything is working. Cheers, Jörg Aditya Mahajan wrote: > On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Jörg Hagmann wrote: > >> Installing the minimals on ubuntu works with "first-setup.sh" without >> remaking the formats, in both mkII and mkiv. >> >> Installing them on my mac (10.5.8) (same procedure), mkii only works >> after remaking the formats, whereas remaking them for mkiv didn't >> help (Fatal Error : Your format does not match the base files!). > > Are you using the same shell in both. I vaguely remember that in some > shells you need "source setuptex" while in others you need ". setuptex". > > Aditya > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals 2009-10-06 13:10 ` Minimals Jörg Hagmann @ 2009-10-06 13:21 ` Aditya Mahajan 2009-10-06 13:57 ` Minimals Jörg Hagmann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2009-10-06 13:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1: Type: TEXT/PLAIN, Size: 615 bytes --] On Tue, 6 Oct 2009, Jörg Hagmann wrote: > Yes, bash. And, as I said, after remaking the formats (shouldn't be > necessary) mkii, but not mkiv, works on the mac. You mean that on the mac: luatools --generate context --make does not create mkiv format. Do you get an error? Is the correct luatools being used? (i.e., does "which luatools" and "which luatex" point to the correct directory) >It's no problem for me: I > never update the most recent working installation; I always install from > scratch and only delete the old one when everything is working. Always a good idea. Aditya [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals 2009-10-06 13:21 ` Minimals Aditya Mahajan @ 2009-10-06 13:57 ` Jörg Hagmann 2009-10-06 14:06 ` Minimals luigi scarso 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Jörg Hagmann @ 2009-10-06 13:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users >> Yes, bash. And, as I said, after remaking the formats (shouldn't be >> necessary) mkii, but not mkiv, works on the mac. > > You mean that on the mac: > > luatools --generate > context --make Yes. And the error: Fatal Error : Your format does not match the base files! > > does not create mkiv format. Do you get an error? Is the correct > luatools being used? (i.e., does "which luatools" and "which luatex" > point to the correct directory) They exist and are found in texmf-osx-intel/bin Cheers, Jörg ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals 2009-10-06 13:57 ` Minimals Jörg Hagmann @ 2009-10-06 14:06 ` luigi scarso 2009-10-06 14:12 ` Minimals Jörg Hagmann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2009-10-06 14:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 658 bytes --] On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch>wrote: > > Yes, bash. And, as I said, after remaking the formats (shouldn't be >>> necessary) mkii, but not mkiv, works on the mac. >>> >> >> You mean that on the mac: >> >> luatools --generate >> context --make >> > Yes. And the error: Fatal Error : Your format does not match the base > files! > hmm -- I don't have osx , I have linux -- what about $> find minimals-beta -name "*.fmt" ? Assuming minimals-beta as root dir, I have them only under the cache, ie ./tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/e2d590ed08d5bb7ce264a85c7599601d/formats -- luigi [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1309 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals 2009-10-06 14:06 ` Minimals luigi scarso @ 2009-10-06 14:12 ` Jörg Hagmann 2009-10-06 14:25 ` Minimals luigi scarso 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Jörg Hagmann @ 2009-10-06 14:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users luigi scarso wrote: > hmm -- I don't have osx , I have linux -- > what about > $> find minimals-beta -name "*.fmt" > ? > Assuming minimals-beta as root dir, I have them only under the cache, ie > ./tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/e2d590ed08d5bb7ce264a85c7599601d/formats ./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/cont-en.fmt ./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/cont-nl.fmt ./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/mptopdf.fmt ./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/plain.fmt ./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/pdftex/cont-en.fmt ./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/pdftex/cont-nl.fmt ./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/pdftex/mptopdf.fmt ./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/xetex/cont-en.fmt ./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/xetex/cont-nl.fmt Jörg ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals 2009-10-06 14:12 ` Minimals Jörg Hagmann @ 2009-10-06 14:25 ` luigi scarso 2009-10-06 14:51 ` Minimals Jörg Hagmann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2009-10-06 14:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1225 bytes --] On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch>wrote: > > > luigi scarso wrote: > >> hmm -- I don't have osx , I have linux -- >> what about >> $> find minimals-beta -name "*.fmt" >> ? >> Assuming minimals-beta as root dir, I have them only under the cache, ie >> >> ./tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/e2d590ed08d5bb7ce264a85c7599601d/formats >> > > ./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/cont-en.fmt > > ./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/cont-nl.fmt > > ./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/mptopdf.fmt > > ./texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/b111a13fc9cf27f239092c82f78b3124/formats/plain.fmt > ./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/pdftex/cont-en.fmt > ./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/pdftex/cont-nl.fmt > ./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/pdftex/mptopdf.fmt > ./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/xetex/cont-en.fmt > ./texmf-osx-intel/web2c/xetex/cont-nl.fmt > > ok put this in test.tex \starttext \input tufte \stoptext Then delete luatex-cache; $> cd ./tex/texmf-context/scripts/context/lua $> context --generate $> context --make and try to $>context test.tex -- luigi [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1779 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals 2009-10-06 14:25 ` Minimals luigi scarso @ 2009-10-06 14:51 ` Jörg Hagmann 2009-10-06 14:56 ` Minimals luigi scarso 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Jörg Hagmann @ 2009-10-06 14:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users luigi scarso wrote: > > ok put this in test.tex > \starttext \input tufte \stoptext > Then delete luatex-cache; > $> cd ./tex/texmf-context/scripts/context/lua > why? > > $> context --generate > luatools --generate? > > $> context --make > mtx-context.lua:1358: attempt to call field 'extendbanner' (a nil value) > > > and try to > $>context test.tex ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals 2009-10-06 14:51 ` Minimals Jörg Hagmann @ 2009-10-06 14:56 ` luigi scarso 2009-10-06 15:00 ` Minimals Jörg Hagmann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2009-10-06 14:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 718 bytes --] On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch>wrote: > > > luigi scarso wrote: > >> >> ok put this in test.tex >> \starttext \input tufte \stoptext >> Then delete luatex-cache; >> $> cd ./tex/texmf-context/scripts/context/lua >> >> why? > Just to be sure; sometimes can be a path problem > >> $> context --generate >> >> luatools --generate? > >> >> should be the same, see context --help > $> context --make >> >> mtx-context.lua:1358: attempt to call field 'extendbanner' (a nil value) hmm , never see this. I believe that if you make a fresh minimals install and you have the same error, it's a minimals problem. -- luigi [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1970 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals 2009-10-06 14:56 ` Minimals luigi scarso @ 2009-10-06 15:00 ` Jörg Hagmann 2009-10-06 15:01 ` Minimals luigi scarso 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Jörg Hagmann @ 2009-10-06 15:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users > > > mtx-context.lua:1358: attempt to call field 'extendbanner' (a nil > value) > > hmm , never see this. > I believe that if you make a fresh minimals install and you have the > same error, > it's a minimals problem. That's what I thought (I freshly installed twice). But I'll try again on Friday ... Thanks everybody. Jörg ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals 2009-10-06 15:00 ` Minimals Jörg Hagmann @ 2009-10-06 15:01 ` luigi scarso 2009-10-06 15:08 ` Minimals luigi scarso 2009-10-06 17:00 ` Minimals Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2009-10-06 15:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 469 bytes --] On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch>wrote: > > >> >> mtx-context.lua:1358: attempt to call field 'extendbanner' (a nil >> value) >> >> hmm , never see this. >> I believe that if you make a fresh minimals install and you have the same >> error, >> it's a minimals problem. >> > That's what I thought (I freshly installed twice). But I'll try again on > Friday ... > Thanks everybody. > let's know. -- luigi [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 951 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals 2009-10-06 15:01 ` Minimals luigi scarso @ 2009-10-06 15:08 ` luigi scarso 2009-10-06 15:46 ` Minimals Mojca Miklavec 2009-10-06 17:00 ` Minimals Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2009-10-06 15:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 650 bytes --] On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:01 PM, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch>wrote: > >> >> >>> >>> mtx-context.lua:1358: attempt to call field 'extendbanner' (a nil >>> value) >>> >>> hmm , never see this. >>> I believe that if you make a fresh minimals install and you have the same >>> error, >>> it's a minimals problem. >>> >> That's what I thought (I freshly installed twice). But I'll try again on >> Friday ... >> Thanks everybody. >> > let's know. > > sorry -- I mean: I think it's a bug, so Let us know your progress -- luigi [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1455 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals 2009-10-06 15:08 ` Minimals luigi scarso @ 2009-10-06 15:46 ` Mojca Miklavec 2009-10-06 15:54 ` Minimals luigi scarso 0 siblings, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2009-10-06 15:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Just a remark. I didn't touch the Mac binaries for a long while (and my mac is already resting in peace, so I cannot test). Have any new binaries been released in the meantime? I usually remove the "--make" switch (or it may be enough to call --keep switch once?) to prevent remaking formats at any given time if no updates are there. Is it possible that the make switch is turned out on your computer as well? (Sorry, but I really cannot test what's going on on mac, though it's a bit strange that it behaves differently.) Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals 2009-10-06 15:46 ` Minimals Mojca Miklavec @ 2009-10-06 15:54 ` luigi scarso 0 siblings, 0 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2009-10-06 15:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 718 bytes --] On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Mojca Miklavec < mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote: > Just a remark. I didn't touch the Mac binaries for a long while (and > my mac is already resting in peace, so I cannot test). > Have any new binaries been released in the meantime? > > I usually remove the "--make" switch (or it may be enough to call > --keep switch once?) to prevent remaking formats at any given time if > no updates are there. Is it possible that the make switch is turned > out on your computer as well? > > (Sorry, but I really cannot test what's going on on mac, though it's a > bit strange that it behaves differently.) > > Mojca > Hi mojca Did you rested well in the shade of the pyramids? -- luigi [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1147 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals 2009-10-06 15:01 ` Minimals luigi scarso 2009-10-06 15:08 ` Minimals luigi scarso @ 2009-10-06 17:00 ` Hans Hagen 2009-10-09 7:24 ` Minimals Jörg Hagmann 1 sibling, 1 reply; 70+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2009-10-06 17:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users luigi scarso wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Jörg Hagmann <joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch > <mailto:joerg.hagmann@unibas.ch>> wrote: > > > > > mtx-context.lua:1358: attempt to call field 'extendbanner' (a nil > value) > > hmm , never see this. > I believe that if you make a fresh minimals install and you have > the same error, > it's a minimals problem. > > That's what I thought (I freshly installed twice). But I'll try > again on Friday ... > Thanks everybody. can you search your disk (path) for other occurences of mtxrun and luatools? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
* Re: Minimals 2009-10-06 17:00 ` Minimals Hans Hagen @ 2009-10-09 7:24 ` Jörg Hagmann 0 siblings, 0 replies; 70+ messages in thread From: Jörg Hagmann @ 2009-10-09 7:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hans Hagen wrote: > can you search your disk (path) for other occurences of mtxrun and > luatools? I have, in addition to the new attempt (context), the working installation I'm presently using (/Applications/newtex) and an older version (Applications/mytex). Both have their mtxrun and luatools: ./Applications/mytex/bin/mtxrun ./Applications/mytex/tex/texmf-osx-intel/bin/mtxrun ./Applications/newtex/bin/mtxrun ./Applications/newtex/tex/texmf-osx-intel/bin/mtxrun ./Users/bonasia/context/bin/mtxrun ./Users/bonasia/context/tex/texmf-context/scripts/context/stubs/unix/mtxrun ./Users/bonasia/context/tex/texmf-osx-intel/bin/mtxrun I tried the new installation under /Applications and then in my home directory, with the procedure "sh ./first-setup.sh" method ("simple instructions for installing on Unix-like systems"), and got the same result, namely: - For mkii the formats have to be made, but then it works - For mkiv, luatools --selfupdat, mtxrun --selfupdate and context give: bonasia:test$ luatools --selfupdate LuaTools | fileio: to be replaced old script /Users/bonasia/context/tex/texmf-osx-intel/bin/luatools LuaTools | fileio: unable to locate new script LuaTools | LuaTools | runtime: 0.051 seconds bonasia:test$ mtxrun --selfupdate MTXrun | fileio: to be replaced old script /Users/bonasia/context/tex/texmf-osx-intel/bin/mtxrun MTXrun | fileio: unable to locate new script bonasia:test$ context MTXrun | unknown script 'context.lua' or 'mtx-context.lua' Cheers, Jörg ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 70+ messages in thread
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