Re: No widows and orphans

Re: No widows and orphans

[Philipp Stephani]

Am 01.03.2011 um 16:03 schrieb ntg-context-request@ntg.nl:

> Von: Cecil Westerhof <cldwesterhof@gmail.com>
> Datum: 1. März 2011 15:56:03 MEZ
> An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] No widows and orphans
> Antwort an: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> 
> 
> 2011/3/1 Thomas A. Schmitz <thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de>
> 
> On Mar 1, 2011, at 3:41 PM, Cecil Westerhof wrote:
> 
> > I do not want to have widows and orphans. Because of this I use:
> > \clubpenalty=10000
> > \widowpenalty=10000
> >
> > But this has no effect. Still the last two lines of a paragraph are put on the next page instead of the complete paragraph.
> 
> I think you are confusing things here: orphans and widows refer to single lines on the following/preceding page. So if you get two lines, you get exactly what you ask for. If I understand you correctly, you do not want to break paragraphs vertically at all?
> 
> Okay, I did not understand the terminology correctly.
> 
> Yes, in this particular case I would like not to break them.

I don't know whether that still works in ConTeXt, but try
\interlinepenalty=10000

> What would also be acceptable is when there are at least five lines on the page.

Try this (again untested):
\clubpenalties 5 10000 10000 10000 10000 10000
\widowpenalties 5 10000 10000 10000 10000 10000
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Re: No widows and orphans

[Cecil Westerhof]

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2011/3/1 Philipp Stephani <st_philipp@yahoo.de>

> > Yes, in this particular case I would like not to break them.
>
> I don't know whether that still works in ConTeXt, but try
> \interlinepenalty=10000
>

That made havoc of my document.



> > What would also be acceptable is when there are at least five lines on
> the page.
>
> Try this (again untested):
> \clubpenalties 5 10000 10000 10000 10000 10000
> \widowpenalties 5 10000 10000 10000 10000 10000
>

Does not seem to have any effect.

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Re: No widows and orphans

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 01.03.2011 um 17:06 schrieb Philipp Stephani:

> I don't know whether that still works in ConTeXt, but try
> \interlinepenalty=10000

It works but it’s to low level.

There is also \interlinepenalties and ConTeXts \keeplinestogether (which use it) command but it doesn’t work

\starttext

\dorecurse{4}{\input tufte\par}

\keeplinestogether{10}
\input tufte\par

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: No widows and orphans

[Cecil Westerhof]

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2011/3/1 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>

>
> Am 01.03.2011 um 17:06 schrieb Philipp Stephani:
>
> > I don't know whether that still works in ConTeXt, but try
> > \interlinepenalty=10000
>
> It works but it’s to low level.
>
> There is also \interlinepenalties and ConTeXts \keeplinestogether (which
> use it) command but it doesn’t work
>
> \starttext
>
> \dorecurse{4}{\input tufte\par}
>
> \keeplinestogether{10}
> \input tufte\par
>
> \stoptext
>

If you add before starttext \interlinepenalty=10000 it works. But alas, not
in my case.

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Re: No widows and orphans

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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Am 01.03.2011 um 18:05 schrieb Cecil Westerhof:

> 2011/3/1 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>
> 
> Am 01.03.2011 um 17:06 schrieb Philipp Stephani:
> 
> > I don't know whether that still works in ConTeXt, but try
> > \interlinepenalty=10000
> 
> It works but it’s to low level.
> 
> There is also \interlinepenalties and ConTeXts \keeplinestogether (which use it) command but it doesn’t work
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \dorecurse{4}{\input tufte\par}
> 
> \keeplinestogether{10}
> \input tufte\par
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> If you add before starttext \interlinepenalty=10000 it works. But alas, not in my case.

This will change the settings for all paragraphs while \keeplinestogether
only applies for a given number of line for the next paragraph.

Maybe this is what you want:

\starttext
\dorecurse{4}{\input tufte\par}
\start\interlinepenalty=10000 % keep the setting local
\input tufte\par
\stop
\stoptext

Wolfgang


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Re: No widows and orphans

[Cecil Westerhof]

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2011/3/1 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>

> If you add before starttext \interlinepenalty=10000 it works. But alas, not
> in my case.
>
>
> This will change the settings for all paragraphs while \keeplinestogether
> only applies for a given number of line for the next paragraph.
>

That is exactly what I want: keeping all my paragraphs together. But when I
use it in my file, I get a few lines pro page.

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Re: No widows and orphans

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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Am 01.03.2011 um 19:06 schrieb Cecil Westerhof:

> 2011/3/1 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>
>> If you add before starttext \interlinepenalty=10000 it works. But alas, not in my case.
> 
> This will change the settings for all paragraphs while \keeplinestogether
> only applies for a given number of line for the next paragraph.
> 
> That is exactly what I want: keeping all my paragraphs together. But when I use it in my file, I get a few lines pro page. 


% engine=pdftex

\setupparagraphintro[each][\keeplinestogether{10}]

\starttext
\dorecurse{5}{\input tufte\par}
\stoptext

The \setupparagraphintro command doesn’t work currently in mkiv.

Wolfgang


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Re: No widows and orphans

[Cecil Westerhof]

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2011/3/1 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>

> \setupparagraphintro[each][\keeplinestogether{10}]
>

Wrecks havoc with my document.

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Re: No widows and orphans

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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Am 01.03.2011 um 20:31 schrieb Cecil Westerhof:

> 2011/3/1 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>
> \setupparagraphintro[each][\keeplinestogether{10}]
> 
> Wrecks havoc with my document. 

Without seeing your document there is no way to help you.

Wolfgang


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Re: No widows and orphans

[Cecil Westerhof]

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2011/3/1 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>

> \setupparagraphintro[each][\keeplinestogether{10}]
>
>
> Wrecks havoc with my document.
>
>
> Without seeing your document there is no way to help you.
>

I'll try to make a synopsis. Will properly be Friday before I'll post it.

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No widows and orphans

[Cecil Westerhof]

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I do not want to have widows and orphans. Because of this I use:
\clubpenalty=10000
\widowpenalty=10000

But this has no effect. Still the last two lines of a paragraph are put on
the next page instead of the complete paragraph.

I somewhere read about using:
setups=*strict
so I now have:
\setuplayout[
  header=0mm,
  setups=*strict,
]

This makes it a little better. Now three lines are put on the other page. Is
it possible to get the complete paragraph on the other page?

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Re: No widows and orphans

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Mar 1, 2011, at 3:41 PM, Cecil Westerhof wrote:

> I do not want to have widows and orphans. Because of this I use:
> \clubpenalty=10000
> \widowpenalty=10000
> 
> But this has no effect. Still the last two lines of a paragraph are put on the next page instead of the complete paragraph.

I think you are confusing things here: orphans and widows refer to single lines on the following/preceding page. So if you get two lines, you get exactly what you ask for. If I understand you correctly, you do not want to break paragraphs vertically at all?

Thomas
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Re: No widows and orphans

[Cecil Westerhof]

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2011/3/1 Thomas A. Schmitz <thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de>

>
> On Mar 1, 2011, at 3:41 PM, Cecil Westerhof wrote:
>
> > I do not want to have widows and orphans. Because of this I use:
> > \clubpenalty=10000
> > \widowpenalty=10000
> >
> > But this has no effect. Still the last two lines of a paragraph are put
> on the next page instead of the complete paragraph.
>
> I think you are confusing things here: orphans and widows refer to single
> lines on the following/preceding page. So if you get two lines, you get
> exactly what you ask for. If I understand you correctly, you do not want to
> break paragraphs vertically at all?
>

Okay, I did not understand the terminology correctly.

Yes, in this particular case I would like not to break them. What would also
be acceptable is when there are at least five lines on the page.

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Re: No widows and orphans

[luigi scarso]

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Cecil Westerhof <cldwesterhof@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2011/3/1 Thomas A. Schmitz <thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de>
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2011, at 3:41 PM, Cecil Westerhof wrote:
>>
>> > I do not want to have widows and orphans. Because of this I use:
>> > \clubpenalty=10000
>> > \widowpenalty=10000
>> >
>> > But this has no effect. Still the last two lines of a paragraph are put
>> > on the next page instead of the complete paragraph.
>>
>> I think you are confusing things here: orphans and widows refer to single
>> lines on the following/preceding page. So if you get two lines, you get
>> exactly what you ask for. If I understand you correctly, you do not want to
>> break paragraphs vertically at all?
>
> Okay, I did not understand the terminology correctly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widow_%28typesetting%29

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