Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good

Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good

[Cecil Westerhof]

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I am still experimenting. With the default ' is reasonably displayed, but `
not.
I liked palatino, but then even ' is not displayed nicely. What is the best
(standard installed) font where both ' and ` are good displayed?

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Cecil Westerhof

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Re: Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good

[mathew]

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:23, Cecil Westerhof <cldwesterhof@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am still experimenting. With the default ' is reasonably displayed, but `
> not.
> I liked palatino, but then even ' is not displayed nicely. What is the best
> (standard installed) font where both ' and ` are good displayed?

I think your expectations may be at fault.

In ConTeXt, ` is not "open quote", it is backtick. If you want an open
quote, you have to type one.

Typeset this text to see what I mean:

\starttext
` Backtick\crlf
' Apostrophe\crlf
‘ Open curly quote\crlf
’ Close curly quote
\stoptext

If you actually want backtick, perhaps you could say what you think is
wrong with it in Palatino?


mathew
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Re: Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good

[Cecil Westerhof]

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2011/3/23 mathew <meta@pobox.com>

> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:23, Cecil Westerhof <cldwesterhof@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I am still experimenting. With the default ' is reasonably displayed, but
> `
> > not.
> > I liked palatino, but then even ' is not displayed nicely. What is the
> best
> > (standard installed) font where both ' and ` are good displayed?
>
> I think your expectations may be at fault.
>

You are completely right. That is why a mailing list like this is useful.
;-}



> In ConTeXt, ` is not "open quote", it is backtick. If you want an open
> quote, you have to type one.
>
> Typeset this text to see what I mean:
>
> \starttext
> ` Backtick\crlf
> ' Apostrophe\crlf
> ‘ Open curly quote\crlf
> ’ Close curly quote
> \stoptext
>
> If you actually want backtick, perhaps you could say what you think is
> wrong with it in Palatino?
>

Wrong is maybe not the correct word, but when compiling this code:
    \starttext
    ` Backtick\crlf
    ' Apostrophe\crlf
    ‘ Open curly quote\crlf
    ’ Close curly quote

    ‘some quoted text’

    “some doublequoted text”

    \setupbodyfont[palatino,rm,12pt]

    ‘some quoted text’

    “some doublequoted text”

    \stoptext

Then I find the font from palatino better looking, but the default quotes
better as the palatino's.

I have to change all my ‘quotes’ again.

Attached my Xmopdmap.extra which incorperates these single and double
quotes.

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Cecil Westerhof

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!! The following four codes are system dependend and should be checked before using.
!! alt gr  108
!! menu    135
!! windows 133
!! r-ctrl  105
keycode 108       = Mode_switch
keycode 135       = Multi_key

keysym grave      = grave        asciitilde  leftsinglequotemark  rightsinglequotemark
keysym 1          = 1            exclam      onesuperior          onequarter
keysym 2          = 2            at          twosuperior          onehalf
keysym 3          = 3            numbersign  threesuperior        threequarters
keysym 4          = 4            dollar      foursuperior         sterling
keysym 5          = 5            percent     fivesuperior         endash
keysym 6          = 6            asciicircum sixsuperior
keysym 7          = 7            ampersand   sevensuperior        emdash
keysym 8          = 8            asterisk    eightsuperior
keysym 9          = 9            parenleft   ninesuperior
keysym 0          = 0            parenright  degree
keysym minus      = minus        underscore  yen
keysym equal      = equal        plus        notequal             plusminus

keysym w          = w            W           aring                Aring
keysym e          = e            E           EuroSign
keysym r          = r            R           registered
keysym t          = t            T           thorn                Thorn

keysym f          = f            F           ordfeminine
keysym backslash  = backslash    bar         notsign              brokenbar

keysym semicolon  = semicolon    colon       trademark
keysym apostrophe = apostrophe  quotedbl    leftdoublequotemark  rightdoublequotemark

keysym z          = z            Z           Greek_omega          Greek_OMEGA
keysym c          = c            C           cent                 copyright
keysym m          = m            M           masculine            mu
keysym period     = period       greater     ellipsis
keysym slash      = slash	    question    questiondown

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Re: Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 23.03.2011 um 17:23 schrieb Cecil Westerhof:

> I am still experimenting. With the default ' is reasonably displayed, but ` not.
> I liked palatino, but then even ' is not displayed nicely. What is the best (standard installed) font where both ' and ` are good displayed?


How do you define a standard font, the list of available differes with the used TeX distribution (TeX Live or context minimals) and your Openrating System.

I made a short document with a few fonts: http://d.pr/h5tE

Source:

\newcounter\FontTestCounter

\define[1]\FontTest
  {\increment\FontTestCounter
   \definetypeface[mainface-\FontTestCounter][rm][specserif][#1]
   \switchtobodyfont[mainface-\FontTestCounter]
   \title{#1}
   \startpacked
   ` Backtick\par
   ' Apostrophe\par
   ‘ Open curly quote\par
   ’ Close curly quote\par
   - hyphen\par
   – en dash\par
   — em dash
   \stoppacked
   \blank
   “Quote” and „quote“ and «more quotes»}

\starttext
\FontTest{Aller}
…
\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good

[Pontus Lurcock]

On Wed 23 Mar 2011, Cecil Westerhof wrote:

> I have to change all my ‘quotes’ again.

It's advisable to use \quote{...} or \quotation{...} for quotation
marks. That way, if you do need to change them, you only do it in one
place rather than throughout the document.

Pont
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Re: Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good

[mathew]

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 13:49, Pontus Lurcock <pont@talvi.net> wrote:
> It's advisable to use \quote{...} or \quotation{...} for quotation
> marks. That way, if you do need to change them, you only do it in one
> place rather than throughout the document.

Now why the heck aren't those commands mentioned anywhere in "Context
- An Excursion"?


mathew
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Re: Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good

[Cecil Westerhof]

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2011/3/23 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>

> > I am still experimenting. With the default ' is reasonably displayed, but
> ` not.
> > I liked palatino, but then even ' is not displayed nicely. What is the
> best (standard installed) font where both ' and ` are good displayed?
>
>
> How do you define a standard font, the list of available differes with the
> used TeX distribution (TeX Live or context minimals) and your Openrating
> System.
>

I work with minimals. How do I get the list?



> I made a short document with a few fonts: http://d.pr/h5tE
>

I choose (based on your document) ‘PT Serif’ for the moment.

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Re: Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good

[Cecil Westerhof]

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2011/3/23 Pontus Lurcock <pont@talvi.net>

> On Wed 23 Mar 2011, Cecil Westerhof wrote:
>
> > I have to change all my ‘quotes’ again.
>
> It's advisable to use \quote{...} or \quotation{...} for quotation
> marks. That way, if you do need to change them, you only do it in one
> place rather than throughout the document.
>

Did not know that. Am I going to do.

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Re: Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good

[Pontus Lurcock]

On Wed 23 Mar 2011, mathew wrote:

> Now why the heck aren't those commands mentioned anywhere in "Context
> - An Excursion"?

Not sure, but the Excursion is quite old and probably not intended to
be comprehensive. They're covered in the reference manual.

Pont
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Re: Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good

[Cecil Westerhof]

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2011/3/23 Pontus Lurcock <pont@talvi.net>

> > I have to change all my ‘quotes’ again.
>
> It's advisable to use \quote{...} or \quotation{...} for quotation
> marks. That way, if you do need to change them, you only do it in one
> place rather than throughout the document.
>

It looks like \quotation does what I want, but \quote puts the opening quote
low and the wrong way around. How can I change this? I find:
    http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/setupquote
not very helpful.

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Re: Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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Am 23.03.2011 um 21:13 schrieb Cecil Westerhof:

> 2011/3/23 Pontus Lurcock <pont@talvi.net>
> > I have to change all my ‘quotes’ again.
> 
> It's advisable to use \quote{...} or \quotation{...} for quotation
> marks. That way, if you do need to change them, you only do it in one
> place rather than throughout the document.
> 
> It looks like \quotation does what I want, but \quote puts the opening quote low and the wrong way around. How can I change this? I find:
>     http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/setupquote
> not very helpful. 

\setuplanguage
  [<language>]
  [leftquote=...,
   rightquote=...,
   leftquotation=...,
   rightquotation=...]

Wolfgang


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Re: Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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Am 23.03.2011 um 21:02 schrieb Cecil Westerhof:

> 2011/3/23 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>
> > I am still experimenting. With the default ' is reasonably displayed, but ` not.
> > I liked palatino, but then even ' is not displayed nicely. What is the best (standard installed) font where both ' and ` are good displayed?
> 
> 
> How do you define a standard font, the list of available differes with the used TeX distribution (TeX Live or context minimals) and your Openrating System.
> 
> I work with minimals. How do I get the list?

Look into the fonts folders. We can make a list of the available fonts with their typescripts/typefaces and put them on the wiki. There is also a list in Hans/Tacos new fonts manual.

Wolfgang



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Re: Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good

[Cecil Westerhof]

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2011/3/23 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>

> It's advisable to use \quote{...} or \quotation{...} for quotation
>
> marks. That way, if you do need to change them, you only do it in one
>> place rather than throughout the document.
>>
>
> It looks like \quotation does what I want, but \quote puts the opening
> quote low and the wrong way around. How can I change this? I find:
>     http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/setupquote
> not very helpful.
>
>
> \setuplanguage
>   [<language>]
>   [leftquote=...,
>    rightquote=...,
>    leftquotation=...,
>    rightquotation=...]
>

Works. Thanks.

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Re: Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good

[Cecil Westerhof]

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2011/3/23 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>

> 2011/3/23 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>
>
>> > I am still experimenting. With the default ' is reasonably displayed,
>> but ` not.
>> > I liked palatino, but then even ' is not displayed nicely. What is the
>> best (standard installed) font where both ' and ` are good displayed?
>>
>>
>> How do you define a standard font, the list of available differes with the
>> used TeX distribution (TeX Live or context minimals) and your Openrating
>> System.
>>
>
> I work with minimals. How do I get the list?
>
>
> Look into the fonts folders.
>

I suppose you mean: texmf/fonts/? There I see:
drwxrwxr-x 5 cecil users 4,0K 28 jan  2008 afm
drwxrwxr-x 3 cecil users 4,0K 28 jan  2008 enc
drwxrwxr-x 4 cecil users 4,0K 28 jan  2008 map
drwxr-xr-x 3 cecil users 4,0K 19 jan  2009 misc
drwxrwxr-x 5 cecil users 4,0K 28 jan  2008 opentype
drwxrwxr-x 5 cecil users 4,0K 28 jan  2008 tfm
drwxrwxr-x 3 cecil users 4,0K  9 okt 12:42 truetype
drwxrwxr-x 7 cecil users 4,0K 28 jan  2008 type1
drwxr-xr-x 3 cecil users 4,0K 28 jan  2009 vf



> We can make a list of the available fonts with their typescripts/typefaces
> and put them on the wiki.
>

Would be a good idea.

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Re: Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good

[Miguel Queiros]

> > It's advisable to use \quote{...} or \quotation{...} for quotation
> > marks. That way, if you do need to change them, you only do it in one
> > place rather than throughout the document.
> 
> Now why the heck aren't those commands mentioned anywhere in "Context
> - An Excursion"?

I remembered seeing these commands somewhere, so I searched in the
wiki and found them: 

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Basic_Text_Formatting

Miguel


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