From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/60418 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: John Haltiwanger Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Grammar Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:06:27 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20100727084715.GD26009@atos.labs.wmid.amu.edu.pl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1280235999 5644 80.91.229.12 (27 Jul 2010 13:06:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:06:39 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Jul 27 15:06:37 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Odjrg-0008SH-C7 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:06:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49746C9CE0; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:06:35 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id CYHiZqJjpfBK; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:06:31 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99183C9CD9; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:06:31 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7C0C9CD9 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:06:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id QMoVSnqr+MbN for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:06:27 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f41.google.com (mail-bw0-f41.google.com [209.85.214.41]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D5BC9CD8 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:06:27 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by bwz9 with SMTP id 9so4012335bwz.14 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:06:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=LTYDXgcQtXDd8+qCHj18+leztZsrqxViAHIU9l/hY3g=; b=C6oPT7hStR616UTCsnNQcQ8ytkYlkDUX4tId8BLe71JdVUKuX+epavhd9UpUD+N6pL 0QoXx3GR82/npSFWmTdUyqkz4IXYzbXrV3oOny8B8OU5DCLfefck+xFH3ubTxnPyKNO7 xnBVR9vyORnBuLOstne8roEfDw6e6V2pR0Dyo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RHvLhSDETz6arj/mCuf592Iha9vyYGpm0/2ZqOXIi2h/szU9Fj01uPoc9L0b08uw7f V96r/pcegI7z8QWj7FSbYT/2Ns9xXBw4dHn/v5JHEgrQIR6g25qbfGM5FqAXBE7ypiln dvUfqNArAi6ZkVo3UVFeoofk7XhfSu0vq81rA= Original-Received: by 10.204.150.74 with SMTP id x10mr6628350bkv.130.1280235987269; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.204.163.138 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:06:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100727084715.GD26009@atos.labs.wmid.amu.edu.pl> X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:60418 Archived-At: On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > Hi, > > what an interesting discussion! > > My personal point of view is that the so-called "political correctness" > is something I actively fight against, by means of NOT using "they" or > "Afroamericans" or other such strange inventions. =A0These new words > somehow remind me of Orwell's 1984... So what do you write instead? Negro? 'Political correctness' can be onerous, and often contradictory to my anti-authoritarian nature, but in the end it is not "the Man" who issues requests for language changes so much as the marginalized groups that take issue with existing phrasing. Afroamericans, for instance, was deprecated sometime around that year 1984.. It all boils down to whether you care about what the people concerned are saying, which is why I note the author's position when I encounter it. (Rather than throwing their paper away, ala Khaled). This is always a contentious issue when software/coder types are involved, one of the serious reasons why female participation in IT (in general) and FLoSS (in particular) are so low: many men in these circles will not, or can not, give room to critical complaints. The problem always originates in the person complaining---they need to be less serious, no one around here cares so stfu, etc. This is a serious issue, and this is probably one of the least contentious starting points for encountering it. That theory would be thrown away because it attempts to consciously address real gender inequalities is a depressing thought. I for one have always thought it would be interesting to develop a Unicode character that provides a symbol representing a neutral gender pronoun. Then, anyone reading can insert he/she or another option to their own taste. ___________________________________________________________________________= ________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-cont= ext webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________= ________