Re: Updating to Beta Builds of ConTeXt / LuaTeX from tlcontrib breaks MacTeX

[Andrew Starks <andrew.starks@trms.com>]

First off, let me say that you all are the nicest set of developers
and project team members I have ever seen! If I had asked our
developers about an issue in an alpha build, they would have told me
where to go while raising a particular finger in an effort to say
what, I think, is something like, "You're #1!"

I appreciate the offer to roll back a build, but please! This is how
this all goes, right?

Anyway, following the instructions on the tlcontrib.metatex.org (or a
link from there) for restoring the "stable" versions, I got the
fabulous "/usr/texbin/mtxrun:9359: attempt to concatenate local 'v' (a
table value)" on every ConTeXt command that I tried. Lacking the
appetite (and time) to go much further, I tried forcing the uninstall
of everything and then I reinstalled everything using tlmgr. It all
seemed to go whll, but still no avail. After restoring from tlcontrib
and getting only back to nowhere, I just nuked it all and am
reinstalling.

I'm happy to try again, if you all would think I have a better than...
oh... 30% chance of not having to nuke another time. If not, my next
stop is the rsync method. After that, I may have to return, hat in
hand, to LaTeX and check back with you guys in a month or so, just to
see where MacTeX support is at.

BTW: I really like this community and I very much like both what
ConTeXt and  LuaTeX have to offer. In my spare time (-4 hours a day or
so, more if I take my meds), I'd be happy to contribute. I'm much more
of a hack and know next to nothing about bare TeX, although I feel as
though I've done the impossible with my own set of macros. I may be
able to take on some documentation tasks and I also fancy myself a
better-than-average beta tester: not bitchy, test everything all of
the way through, report everything, patient, etc. If all-ya-all want
to point me at something that is in need of such activity, I'd be
happy to look at it. I may just see what can be added to ConTeXt
Garden, but it's hard to know where to start, what's obsolete, what's
good but incomplete, and what's entirely absent. I would need more
time actually using it to truly help, unless someone were to give me
instruction.

Best Regards,

Andrew Starks
Tightrope Media Systems
Co-Founder

800 Transfer Road, Suite 1B, Saint Paul MN 55114

866 866-4118, 201



On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Mojca Miklavec
<mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Andrew,
>
> Sorry for top-posting, just a few remarks:
>
> - I don't see anything basically wrong with your procedure.
>
> - I didn't try it yet, but after Taco released luatex 0.64.0 somebody
> already pointed out that the "current" version of ConTeXt is not
> compatible with the latest version of LuaTeX. I can roll back the
> luatex packages on tlcontrib if needed, but I would prefer to wait for
> Taco's response. (He needs to approve any change anyway.) So it might
> be that any trouble you experience is a sole consequence of that
> incompatibility. But I didn't check anything yet.
>
> - luatools doesn't make much sense in post-TL-2010. It has been
> replaced by mtxrun entirely. I thought that luatools would still work
> the same way as mtxrun though ... but maybe mtxrun has the same
> symptoms.
>
> - Does it help if you replace "~" with "/Users/yourname" in
> texmfcnf.lua? During the ConTeXt conference (and that was more recent
> than the current version of ConTeXt) the tilde didn't expand properly
> in some cases and I'm still not sure if it works flawlessly now.
>
> - You may also try to install ConTeXt minimals in parallel:
>
>    rsync -av rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh .
>    ./first-setup.sh
>    . tex/setuptex
>
> Mojca
>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 21:00, Andrew Starks <andrew.starks@trms.com> wrote:
>> At Aditya's suggestion, I'm cross-posting this from tex.stackexchange.com
>>
>> [Executive Summary:
>>
>> I might be missing something really simple and I might be
>> overcomplicating something really easy. In short:
>>
>> 1: I installed MacTeX 2010.
>> 2: I updated all packages using the normal trees.
>> 3: I changed my TEXMFHOME variable in
>> /usr/local/texlive/2010/texmf.cnf to "~/src/texmf", which is where I
>> keep my custom modules/templates/packages. (This is normally within
>> our github source control, but hasn't been yet.) and moved the content
>> from the old directory to the new.
>> 4: I was beating my head against the wall, trying to make font
>> selection work using typescriptfile/typescript as well as simplefont.
>> The closest I could get was with simplefont and Palatino spewing
>> garbage text.
>> 5: I decided to try "http://tlcontrib.metatex.org/" with tlmgr using
>> "sudo tlmgr --repository http://tlcontrib.metatex.org/2010 update
>> -all"
>> 6: I "sudo texconfig rehash"ed (seemed okay), "sudo mtxrun --generate"
>> (seemed okay). Then I "sudo luatools --generate" and got something
>> that ended with " MTXrun | unknown script 'base.lua' or
>> 'mtx-base.lua'"
>> 7: Just typing "luatools" results in: "MTXrun | unknown script
>> 'base.lua' or 'mtx-base.lua'"
>> 8: I tried editing the two texmfcnf.lua files that I found with:
>>
>>  return {
>>            content = {
>>                    TEXMFCACHE = '~/Library/texlive/2010/texmf-var',
>>                    TEXMFHOME  = '~/src/texmf-trms',
>>            },
>>            TEXMFCACHE = '~/Library/texlive/2010/texmf-var',
>>    }
>>
>> But had no effect.
>>
>> That is where I'm at right now. Whenever I try to compile, I get:
>>
>> MTXrun | warning: no format found, forcing remake (commandline driven)
>> MTXrun | running command: luatools --generate
>> MTXrun | unknown script 'base.lua' or 'mtx-base.lua'
>>
>> MTXrun | running command: luatools --make --compile cont-en
>> MTXrun | unknown script 'base.lua' or 'mtx-base.lua'
>>
>> MTXrun | error, no format found with name: cont-en, aborting
>> MTXrun | total runtime: 0.321
>>
>> The rest of this email is a more verbose description. Hopefully this
>> helps you and me, as well. (if only in the documentation department.
>> :))
>>
>> ] /endexecutive summary %:)
>>
>> Copied then updated from:
>> http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/5454/updating-to-beta-builds-of-context-luatex-from-tlcontrib-breaks-mactex
>>
>>
>> On a fresh install of MacTeX 2010, I was having issues with `mtxrun`
>> finding fonts and with fonts in general.
>>
>> I decided to try to dl the betas. In an earlier
>> question(http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/5405/switching-to-context-minimals-missing-last-step-for-mactex-2010
>> (Thanks Kahled!) I found that the ConTeXt minimals were not proper in
>> this scenario.
>>
>> So I followed the advice and used this repository. After running:
>>
>>    sudo tlmgr --repository http://tlcontrib.metatex.org/2010 update -all
>>
>> ...I did everything that I could think of to update the system at
>> various stages (I'm sure not everything was neutral or helpful)...
>>
>>    sudo texconfig rehash
>>    sudo texconfig init
>>    sudo mtxrun --generate
>>    sudo luatools --generate
>>
>> The last command is the issue, as it generates:
>>
>>    MTXrun | unknown script 'base.lua' or 'mtx-base.lua'
>>
>> In my search on the interweb, I found that perhaps `texmfcnf.lua`
>> needed the following:
>>
>>    return {
>>            content = {
>>                    TEXMFCACHE = '~/Library/texlive/2010/texmf-var',
>>                    TEXMFHOME  = '~/Library/texmf-trms',
>>            },
>>            TEXMFCACHE = '~/Library/texlive/2010/texmf-var',
>>    }
>>
>> I did this to the file that I located in `/usr/local/texlive/2010/`. I
>> later found evidence that perhaps another `texmfcnf.lua` file needed
>> this golden block of code, but I could not find another instance of
>> this file.
>>
>> So... whassup? It's a clean install if MacTeX 2010. I wonder what I'm missing.
>>
>> Once this is solved, I'll post another question about fonts, as I have
>> yet to get those working with LuaTeX as the engine and `simplefonts`
>> as the method. `mtxrun` never has anything in its list of fonts
>> (`mtxrun --script fonts --list --all --pattern=*` or any conceivable
>> variation) and most font choices don't register at all, or in the odd
>> case of Palatino, result in garbage text. I have my `OSFONTS` variable
>> set to `/Library/Fonts`. But alas, for another question. I only post
>> it here in case the two issues are related.
>>
>> Thanks everyone!
>>
>> UPDATE:
>>
>> I ran `sudo luatex --generate --verbose`
>>
>> Here is the output:
>>
>>   MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'SELFAUTOLOC' set to
>> '/usr/local/texlive/2010/bin/x86_64-darwin'
>> MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'SELFAUTODIR' set to '/usr/local/texlive/2010/bin'
>> MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'SELFAUTOPARENT' set to '/usr/local/texlive/2010'
>> MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'TEXMFCNF' set to ''
>> MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'TEXMF' set to ''
>> MTXrun | resolvers: variable 'TEXOS' set to 'bin'
>> MTXrun | resolvers
>> MTXrun | resolvers: loading configuration file
>> '/usr/local/texlive/2010/texmfcnf.lua'
>> MTXrun | resolvers
>> MTXrun | resolvers: loading configuration file
>> '/usr/local/texlive/2010/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua'
>> MTXrun | resolvers
>> MTXrun | resolvers: locating list of '/Users/andrew/src/texmf-trms' (runtime)
>> MTXrun | resolvers: handler 'tree:////Users/andrew/src/texmf-trms' ->
>> 'locators' -> 'path=/Users/andrew/src/texmf-trms | noscheme=false |
>> query= | scheme=tree | original=tree:////Users/andrew/src/texmf-trms |
>> fragment= | authority='
>> MTXrun | resolvers: hash 'tree:////Users/andrew/src/texmf-trms' appended
>> MTXrun | resolvers: skipping list of
>> '/usr/local/texlive/2010/texmf-project' (cached)
>> MTXrun | resolvers: skipping list of
>> '/usr/local/texlive/2010/texmf-fonts' (cached)
>> MTXrun | resolvers: skipping list of
>> '/usr/local/texlive/2010/texmf-local' (cached)
>> MTXrun | resolvers: skipping list of
>> '/usr/local/texlive/2010/texmf-context' (cached)
>> MTXrun | resolvers: locating list of '/usr/local/texlive/2010/texmf' (cached)
>> MTXrun | resolvers: tex locator '/usr/local/texlive/2010/texmf' found
>> MTXrun | resolvers: hash '/usr/local/texlive/2010/texmf' appended
>> MTXrun | resolvers: locating list of
>> '/usr/local/texlive/2010/texmf-dist' (cached)
>> MTXrun | resolvers: tex locator '/usr/local/texlive/2010/texmf-dist' found
>> MTXrun | resolvers: hash '/usr/local/texlive/2010/texmf-dist' appended
>> MTXrun | resolvers
>> MTXrun | resolvers: handler 'tree:////Users/andrew/src/texmf-trms' ->
>> 'hashers' -> 'path=/Users/andrew/src/texmf-trms | noscheme=false |
>> query= | scheme=tree | original=tree:////Users/andrew/src/texmf-trms |
>> fragment= | authority='
>> MTXrun | resolvers: scanning path '/Users/andrew/src/texmf-trms'
>> MTXrun | resolvers: 596 files found on 114 directories with 62
>> uppercase remappings
>> MTXrun | resolvers: loading 'files' for
>> '/usr/local/texlive/2010/texmf' from
>> '/Users/andrew/Library/texlive/2010/texmf-var/luatex-cache/context/210a81d6dcb1059dc80fab3f5470ab7a/trees/1240e363db2f4c53de58379d2b0c6f6b'
>> MTXrun | resolvers: loading 'files' for
>> '/usr/local/texlive/2010/texmf-dist' from
>> '/Users/andrew/Library/texlive/2010/texmf-var/luatex-cache/context/210a81d6dcb1059dc80fab3f5470ab7a/trees/26993469c6208234eef0d0acf8456c4d'
>> MTXrun | resolvers: using suffix based filetype 'lua'
>> MTXrun | resolvers: using suffix based filetype 'lua'
>> MTXrun | resolvers: remembering file 'mtx-base.lua'
>> MTXrun | resolvers: using suffix based filetype 'lua'
>> MTXrun | unknown script 'base.lua' or 'mtx-base.lua'
>>
>>
>> Okay, I see where it's loading
>> `'/usr/local/texlive/2010/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua'`.
>>
>> Given that my TEXMFHOME tds is set  to `~/src/texmf-trms` I edited it
>> to say this within `content:`
>>
>>    -- ORIG: TEXMFHOME       = "$HOME/texmf", -- "tree:///$HOME/texmf"
>>       TEXMFHOME       = "~/src/texmf-trms", -- "tree:///$HOME/texmf"
>>
>> ...and this after, but before `return:` closes:
>>
>>    -- ORIG: TEXMFCACHE  = "$SELFAUTOPARENT/texmf-cache", -- for old times sake
>>    TEXMFCACHE  = "~/Library/texlive/2010/texmf-var", -- for old times sake
>>
>> Since I did not change the TEXMFCACHE setting.
>>
>> (As you may be able to tell by now, I don't know what I'm doing. :) )
>>
>> Running `sudo luatools --generate --verbose` had the same effect, ending with:
>>
>>    MTXrun | resolvers: using suffix based filetype 'lua'
>>    MTXrun | resolvers: using suffix based filetype 'lua'
>>    MTXrun | resolvers: remembering file 'mtx-base.lua'
>>    MTXrun | resolvers: using suffix based filetype 'lua'
>>    MTXrun | unknown script 'base.lua' or 'mtx-base.lua'
>>
>> I tried `sudo mtxrun --generate` which seemed to work, but did not
>> affect `luatools` in any way. I've tried `rehash`ing, then `mtxrun`
>> then `luatools`. No joy.
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
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