From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/59430 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ivo_Solnick=FD?= Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Problems using new beta Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:46:10 +0200 Message-ID: References: <6A4851A2-08F2-4501-9677-E35DE2BB9813@uni-bonn.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1374497785==" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1275993986 19733 80.91.229.12 (8 Jun 2010 10:46:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:46:26 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Jun 08 12:46:24 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OLwK8-0002un-BX for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:46:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14594C9CF1; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:46:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id mPuebkJBCrJB; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:46:18 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB72C9CE0; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:46:18 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168D0C9CE0 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:46:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id wpml021LcVuk for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:46:11 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-wy0-f169.google.com (mail-wy0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C2CC9CDD for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:46:11 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by wyb42 with SMTP id 42so2471402wyb.14 for ; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 03:46:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=mV5h5ctr+0pKe9lVlycYP/FMCrJEr/dIw4EuRnPsKoA=; b=bOLkQJZ3GSf80Vj4TxdFpWGsLgiYFMmsy6cUzSp6j5PjM41K8cYLTrkARSaFoEPxZo s8Coi04o4A/9uJXI2+QdF65Zuz5Oj9C4LyG/UtZjI+Ly9Q4xnrD6xrT1qL7SerihDfnF i6MqYELpYXXBNe03Sck4yU/2+d5n/x68fbrIY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qbdmJIo66IF70YAgH9sK8sr6VEeFnU2ji2HkgavLGFMqJc+0WXEwOqylMBi1Tsw/B7 OooYQ3NF5zclnKwyu0dcuFIbQnGwZIeRY89LThDGZfmcxeXSWtX6FwnVUpKIeI1K9kYi EGN4HR1jUZxVwHsKNSJ+3tKQyAc4tN8zUYwLo= Original-Received: by 10.216.186.72 with SMTP id v50mr3383325wem.50.1275993970802; Tue, 08 Jun 2010 03:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.216.7.68 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Jun 2010 03:46:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6A4851A2-08F2-4501-9677-E35DE2BB9813@uni-bonn.de> X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:59430 Archived-At: --===============1374497785== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e649c7385d81240488827f52 --0016e649c7385d81240488827f52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz < thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> wrote: > > On Jun 7, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Ivo Solnick=FD wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I didn't received answer by mail, so I have to answer this way. > > > > Thanks for the help, I updated context and now it works OK. > > > > But the problem with recompilation of format file remains. Any idea? > > > > Ivo > > If I understood your first message correctly, you are storing your tex > documents within your context directory. This is a VERY bad idea because > > 1. mkiv checks the checksum of your context tree. When it changes, it wil= l > regenerate the format, that's what you see happening > > 2. in case of an update, your files could get deleted or overwritten. > > I'm sorry but my English is not very good and I am not likely be able to explain things clearly. I have my files stored separately in directory C:\Users\Ivo\TeX and ConTeXt files are in directory C:\context\tex. Here is a list of environment variables related to context after running setuptex C:\context\tex. CTXMINIMAL=3Dyes CYGWIN=3Dnontsec MPMEMS=3Dc:\context\tex\texmf-mswin/web2c{/$engine,} OSFONTDIR=3DC:\Windows/fonts Path=3Dc:\context\tex\texmf-mswin\bin;C:\Windows\system32;C:\Windows; ... RUBYLIB=3Dc:\context\tex\texmf-context\SCRIPTS\CONTEXT\RUBY; SESSIONNAME=3DConsole SETUPTEX=3Ddone TEMP=3DC:\Users\Ivo\AppData\Local\Temp TEXFORMATS=3Dc:\context\tex\texmf-mswin/web2c{/$engine,} TEXMF=3D{$TEXMFPROJECT,$TEXMFFONTS,$TEXMFLOCAL,$TEXMFOS,$TEXMFCONTEXT,$TEXM= FEXTRA,!!$TEXMFMAIN} TEXMFCACHE=3Dc:\context\tex\texmf-cache TEXMFCNF=3Dc:\context\tex\texmf{-local,-context,}/web2c TEXMFCONTEXT=3Dc:\context\tex\texmf-context TEXMFDBS=3D$TEXMF TEXMFEXTRA=3Dc:\context\tex\texmf-extra TEXMFFONTS=3Dc:\context\tex\texmf-fonts TEXMFLOCAL=3Dc:\context\tex\texmf-local TEXMFMAIN=3Dc:\context\tex\texmf TEXMFOS=3Dc:\context\tex\texmf-mswin TEXMFPROJECT=3Dc:\context\tex\texmf-project TEXPATH=3Dc:\context\tex\ TMP=3DC:\Users\Ivo\AppData\Local\Temp VARTEXMF=3DC:\Users\Ivo\AppData\Local\Temp\texmf-var I get this after running command: C:\Users\Ivo\TeX>context dopis MTXrun | warning: source mismatch (luv: c35d99a34eb6a903c197a4666fe46fe0 <> bin: a6c26bf5f4881a58ccc3eed80ae65790), forcing remake MTXrun | fileio: loading configuration file 'c:/context/tex/texmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua' MTXrun | fileio: loading configuration file c:/context/tex/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf MTXrun | fileio: preparing 'configuration' for 'c:/context/tex/texmf/web2c' MTXrun | fileio: 'configuration' saved in 'c:/context/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/2fea56f92e5267d7cc9662e4d5= f52e1e/trees/53 ad5f8b88994bdd02baa17501789699.lua' MTXrun | fileio: 'configuration' compiled to 'c:/context/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/2fea56f92e5267d7cc9662e4d5= f52e1e/trees /53ad5f8b88994bdd02baa17501789699.luc' MTXrun | fileio: locating list of 'c:/context/tex/texmf-project' MTXrun | fileio: tex locator 'c:/context/tex/texmf-project' found MTXrun | fileio: hash 'c:/context/tex/texmf-project' appended etc. Finally, the file dopis.tex is compiled well, but it takes a long time. Surprisingly, when I copy the file dopis.tex for example to the directory C:\context\tex\texmf-project, I get this (format is not recompiled): C:\context\tex\texmf-project>context dopis MTXrun | run 1: luatex --fmt=3D"c:/context/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/2fea56f92e5267d7cc= 9662e4d5f52e1e/formats/cont-en" --lu a=3D"c:/context/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/2fea56f92e5267d7cc9662= e4d5f52e1e/formats/cont-en.lui" --backend=3Dpdf "./dopis" This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.60.1-2010060523 (Web2C 2010) (rev 3685) \write18 enabled. (C:/context/tex/texmf-project/dopis.tex publications : loading formatting style from bxml-apa (c:/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/bxml-apa.mkiv) ConTeXt ver: 2010.06.06 23:52 MKIV fmt: 2010.6.8 int: english/english system : cont-new loaded (c:/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex systems : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex (c:/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-new.mkiv)) system : cont-fil loaded (c:/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex loading : ConTeXt File Synonyms ) system : cont-sys.rme loaded (c:/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/user/cont-sys.rme (c:/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-def.mkiv) (c:/contex t/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-lua.mkiv) (c:/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-siz.mkiv) (c:/context/tex/te xmf-context/tex/context/base/type-otf.mkiv)) system : dopis.top loaded (dopis.top) etc.... This behavior surprised me and I don't understend it. :( ConTeXt has been installed by running first-setup.bat in C:\context directory. Thanks for any ideas. > ConTeXt (and TeX in general) can be a bit overwhelming at first if you ha= ve > never used such a system. I don't know how experienced you are with > computers in general, but I would suggest you read some introductory > material on TeX (though I admit that I just looked around a bit, and > couldn't find any simple document which explains the TeX directory struct= ure > and how to use it). > > I'm in IT business more then 20 years and I started with TeX in 1992. I u= se TeX occasionally for various special purposes. The last time I used it 8 years ago for typesetting music. Since then much has changed. I am only starting with ConTeXt but I like its structure and capabilities. I would us= e it to print Go (WeiChi) diagrams. There are not a lot of manuals about TeX (LuaTeX, ConTeXt) insides, so anything that will help better understand them will please me. Thank you for your willingness. Ivo > Thomas > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > --0016e649c7385d81240488827f52 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Thomas A. Schmit= z <thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> wrote:

On Jun 7, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Ivo Solnick=FD wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I didn't received answer by mail, so I have to answer this way. >
> Thanks for the help, I updated context and now it works OK.
>
> But the problem with recompilation of format file remains. Any idea? >
> Ivo

If I understood your first message correctly, you are storing your te= x documents within your context directory. This is a VERY bad idea because<= br>
1. mkiv checks the checksum of your context tree. When it changes, it will = regenerate the format, that's what you see happening

2. in case of an update, your files could get deleted or overwritten.


I'm sorry but =A0my English is not= very good and I am not likely be able to explain things clearly.
I have my files stored separately in directory C:\Users\Ivo\TeX and ConTeX= t files are in directory C:\context\tex.
Here is a list of environment variables related to context after runni= ng setuptex C:\context\tex.

CTXMINIMAL=3Dyes<= /div>
CYGWIN=3Dnontsec
MPMEMS=3Dc:\context\tex\texmf-mswin/web2c{/= $engine,}
OSFONTDIR=3DC:\Windows/fonts
Path=3Dc:\context\tex\texmf-msw= in\bin;C:\Windows\system32;C:\Windows; ...
RUBYLIB=3Dc:\context\t= ex\texmf-context\SCRIPTS\CONTEXT\RUBY;
SESSIONNAME=3DConsole
SETUPTEX=3Ddone
TEMP=3DC:\Users\Ivo\AppData\Local\Temp
TEXFORMATS=3Dc:\conte= xt\tex\texmf-mswin/web2c{/$engine,}
TEXMF=3D{$TEXMFPROJECT,$TEXMF= FONTS,$TEXMFLOCAL,$TEXMFOS,$TEXMFCONTEXT,$TEXMFEXTRA,!!$TEXMFMAIN}
TEXMFCACHE=3Dc:\context\tex\texmf-cache
TEXMFCNF=3Dc:\contex= t\tex\texmf{-local,-context,}/web2c
TEXMFCONTEXT=3Dc:\context\tex= \texmf-context
TEXMFDBS=3D$TEXMF
TEXMFEXTRA=3Dc:\contex= t\tex\texmf-extra
TEXMFFONTS=3Dc:\context\tex\texmf-fonts
TEXMFLOCAL=3Dc:\cont= ext\tex\texmf-local
TEXMFMAIN=3Dc:\context\tex\texmf
TE= XMFOS=3Dc:\context\tex\texmf-mswin
TEXMFPROJECT=3Dc:\context\tex\= texmf-project
TEXPATH=3Dc:\context\tex\
TMP=3DC:\Users\Ivo\AppData\Local\T= emp
VARTEXMF=3DC:\Users\Ivo\AppData\Local\Temp\texmf-var

I get this after running command:

<= /div>
C:\Users\Ivo\TeX>context dopis
MTXrun | warning: sou= rce mismatch (luv: c35d99a34eb6a903c197a4666fe46fe0 <> bin: a6c26bf5f= 4881a58ccc3eed80ae65790), forcing remake
MTXrun | fileio: loading configuration file 'c:/context/tex/t= exmf/web2c/texmfcnf.lua'
MTXrun | fileio: loading configurati= on file c:/context/tex/texmf/web2c/texmf.cnf
MTXrun | fileio: pre= paring 'configuration' for 'c:/context/tex/texmf/web2c'
MTXrun | fileio: 'configuration' saved in 'c:/context/tex/= texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/2fea56f92e5267d7cc9662e4d5f52e1e/trees/53<= /div>
ad5f8b88994bdd02baa17501789699.lua'
MTXrun | fileio= : 'configuration' compiled to 'c:/context/tex/texmf-cache/luate= x-cache/context/2fea56f92e5267d7cc9662e4d5f52e1e/trees
/53ad5f8b88994bdd02baa17501789699.luc'
MTXrun | fileio: = locating list of 'c:/context/tex/texmf-project'
MTXrun | = fileio: tex locator 'c:/context/tex/texmf-project' found
MTXrun | fileio: hash 'c:/context/tex/texmf-project' appended
=
etc.

Finally, the file dopis.tex is com= piled well, but it takes a long time.

Surprisingly= , when I copy the file dopis.tex for example to the directory C:\context\te= x\texmf-project, I get this (format is not recompiled):

C:\context\tex\texmf-project>context dopis
MTXrun | run 1: luatex --fmt=3D"c:/context/tex/texmf-cache/luate= x-cache/context/2fea56f92e5267d7cc9662e4d5f52e1e/formats/cont-en" --lu=
a=3D"c:/context/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/2fea56f92e52= 67d7cc9662e4d5f52e1e/formats/cont-en.lui" --backend=3Dpdf "./dopi= s"
This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.60.1-2010060523 (Web2C 201= 0) (rev 3685)
=A0\write18 enabled.
(C:/context/tex/texmf-project/dopis.tex=
publications =A0 =A0: loading formatting style from bxml-apa
(c:/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/bxml-apa.mkiv)
<= div>
ConTeXt =A0ver: 2010.06.06 23:52 MKIV =A0fmt: 2010.6.8 =A0in= t: english/english

system =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: con= t-new loaded
(c:/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-= new.tex
systems =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.te= x
(c:/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-new.mkiv))<= /div>
system =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: cont-fil loaded
(c:/context= /tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex
loading =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : ConTeXt File Synonyms
)
= system =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: cont-sys.rme loaded
(c:/context/tex/t= exmf-context/tex/context/user/cont-sys.rme (c:/context/tex/texmf-context/te= x/context/base/type-def.mkiv) (c:/contex
t/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/type-lua.mkiv) (c:/context/tex/te= xmf-context/tex/context/base/type-siz.mkiv) (c:/context/tex/te
xm= f-context/tex/context/base/type-otf.mkiv))
system =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0: dopis.top loaded
(dopis.top)
etc....

This beha= vior surprised me and I don't understend it. :(

ConTeXt has been installed by running first-setup.bat in C:\context direc= tory.

Thanks for any ideas. =A0

=A0<= /div>
ConTeXt (and TeX in general) can be a bit overwhelming at first if you have= never used such a system. I don't know how experienced you are with co= mputers in general, but I would suggest you read some introductory material= on TeX (though I admit that I just looked around a bit, and couldn't f= ind any simple document which explains the TeX directory structure and how = to use it).

I'm in IT business more then 20 years and I start= ed with TeX in 1992. I use TeX occasionally for various special purposes. T= he last time I used it 8 years ago for typesetting music. Since then much h= as changed. I am only starting with ConTeXt but I like its structure and ca= pabilities. I would use it to print Go (WeiChi) diagrams.
There are not a lot of manuals about TeX (LuaTeX, ConTeXt) insides, so= anything that will help better understand them will please me.
<= br>
Thank you for your willingness.

Ivo
=A0
Thomas
___________________________________________________________________________= ________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki!

maillist : ntg-cont= ext@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage =A0: http://= www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive =A0: http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki =A0 =A0 : http:= //contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________= ________

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