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(Tom) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:55:40 +0100 Message-ID: References: <0D4AD733-7DB0-477E-96AC-0C2FF2CF1E2E@me.com> <000401cbe24a$ea2b3ab0$be81b010$@com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1300128957 10102 80.91.229.12 (14 Mar 2011 18:55:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:55:57 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon Mar 14 19:55:51 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PzCvm-0006tj-TT for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:55:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D31ACAB1D; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:55:50 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id b70rJ9Mslo71; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:55:46 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6848CAAFE; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:55:46 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CFCCAACD for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:55:44 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id W+4qTj7SQkEx for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:55:42 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from filter4-til.mf.surf.net (filter4-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.220]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBFEECAAFE for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:55:42 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-pw0-f41.google.com (mail-pw0-f41.google.com [209.85.160.41]) by filter4-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id p2EIteKQ006072 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:55:41 +0100 Original-Received: by pwi10 with SMTP id 10so1417858pwi.14 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:55:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=QTIAegqFtf86b6NcYuTahmmVCseXid1+34rsZyi/exU=; b=HJnQmzWNjX/8Qk0tFnu651v7cbdBCfGPwZR5NsJQ9u2i9/iiQ+Lep3K9KRThTtUwSx 8EQv7/TfLQBwikdbC9ueKj2AuDpLiL1a66FRohxZFJLNC52+yErrNEedzKtQuIu6YcYF Ct0Om2tMh0qEeKrnAncSMfpEwMRH/jiOjX2m4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=rqWJe3T07Fdv9keLoUQc1QU5ggzCunhpy9NJ9Y+c5PDlB/oWyEhxoXFYl8xl7C0qHf kSjwRT24ZyK3spg9XNBdcrFru3zQMatkiRNe9QuitWLYL0/w2yN5PEjjIu0q00o/RrYy fMD//JrodDQsJo4zAYl1vkZlYtHiROB1frPjk= Original-Received: by 10.142.238.17 with SMTP id l17mr9745554wfh.99.1300128940340; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.143.156.13 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:55:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <000401cbe24a$ea2b3ab0$be81b010$@com> X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=209.85.160.41; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 05Ej6TFC9 - 7d7442cf306e - 20110314 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.216 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:66995 Archived-At: On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 14:22, Tom wrote: > Dalyoung, > > To the contrary, You have been most helpful. Installing the latest version > of Minimals worked fine but I wonder why they even advertise that there is a > stable version to be downloaded. When minimals were created, a new "stable" version was released approximately once a week. It used to be a problem to get the beta version working since beta often depended on a new version of luatex (which was also released every two/three weeks, but often not synchronized with ConTeXt releases). Now Hans only releases a stable version twice a year or so. The problem is that minimals have not been designed with that in mind and there is only a single version of texmfcnf.lua and only a single version of luatex binary. Consequently minimals can only work either with beta or with current when the two versions diverge, but not with both and beta has priority. I need to change the way the distribution works entirely, from the grounds up (I have many parts ready, but not ready to publish yet). An easy solution would be to create another mirror and only provide a working current version there. > I guess they mean a stable version of MKII. > I had the same experience that you had with the Introduction not showing up > in the TOC. Do you know how to report a bug? You don't need to report it. I'm aware of that flaw. I could do a temporary fix, but I would prefer to fix it properly. I'm sorry that it alredy took me several years to address those issues, but I promise to fix it before the conference. Properly. You also need to keep in mind that even though it is advertized as stable, bugs won't be fixed (many project often have at least two branches of development - one for fixing the released version and one for real development; the released version should get bugfixes, but in context development that doesn't and won't happen unless some volunteer starts carefully checking the new code and only applies bugfixes to the stable version). So most people that use ConTeXt actively need bugfixes very often and the only way to get the bugs fixed is to use the latest version. Well, latest version comes with its own bugs, but at least you have a chance to get them fixed quickly. Mojca ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________