From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/64066 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Honza Hejzl Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: End of page & orphan/widow control Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:43:37 +0100 Message-ID: Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0235486636==" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291101816 19604 80.91.229.12 (30 Nov 2010 07:23:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 07:23:36 +0000 (UTC) To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Nov 30 08:23:31 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PNKYk-0000E5-1Y for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 08:23:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28E3CA89A; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 08:23:29 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id eaBTog4CpCQH; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 08:23:18 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07890CA882; Tue, 30 Nov 2010 08:23:18 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D09CA882 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:43:40 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id bo+JZsNaU-Ba for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:43:38 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from filter3-nij.mf.surf.net (filter3-nij.mf.surf.net [195.169.124.154]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56581CA881 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:43:38 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-ww0-f45.google.com (mail-ww0-f45.google.com [74.125.82.45]) by filter3-nij.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id oATChbJf026792 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:43:37 +0100 Original-Received: by wwb28 with SMTP id 28so125635wwb.2 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 04:43:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4J7Xc6wlsm4ojMuWOsTTM1auWiLJc1mf/mram51njIc=; b=Qr++DohG2uYQQPD1V2naB4SJ+wF5MpFQkdGOovrKghTqvZXQu8EDEdHnRhQY0tCv/9 aFNZWX6Mn48Xuoh6+aVcFPcKelYwM9MxcNTzwIb6dOO0SK0isZrcBdlhnb9jH8tBxM1X dK6Rwl42bzOiHoY5Zj3FNFKFLD7kiPqYlxIjo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=Fu4eDKgZYQqeADt6+WZMEJJDhbus/O72lAtpZwRLKCBVfJFf7auDfece8fiM9HNXfd pUan/4uDhwY9bf+X+JnN9gvN3usQ2Gz+WXm5jTaWSqL7aMtUXlBNQj9TRJwGHESnCWBd OSuyM8V0fpkOmssz8NZOomQoY3Y0BpZ7212f8= Original-Received: by 10.216.173.81 with SMTP id u59mr287457wel.58.1291034617118; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 04:43:37 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.216.82.193 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Nov 2010 04:43:37 -0800 (PST) X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=74.125.82.45; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0dDB0HBQW - 12aca9532d5b - 20101129 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 195.169.124.154 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 08:23:17 +0100 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:64066 Archived-At: --===============0235486636== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6568f90bf01650496306ba2 --0016e6568f90bf01650496306ba2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, could anyone give me an advice how to manage text flow (in terms of orphan/widow control with controlling of flushbottom raggedbottom effects?)= . I am desperate in fact ConTeXt is a great tool but I can't reach effective way how to control these things. (And be sure I have spent many hours above manual and wiki=85 but maybe I am not so technically capable.) In case I have longer text with many quotations, one-line paragraphs and direct speech (typically any novel), I am able to reach a stage without orphans and widows but context do what it want with an end of every problematic page =96 it simply shrinks it =961 line. I need to be able to c= reate simply nice results in a basic-typography point of view of good novel typesetting (without orphans, widows, on grid and every page the same height). Sure I know about \setuptolerance setting but it has (imho) very poor effec= t for my purposes. (Sure, maybe I am not using it properly.) Here is my result: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4393365/kresadlo.pdf and source file: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4393365/kresadlo.tex =85see pages 3 and 4, please. This is what I mean and what I wish to manage= in a simple way. Thank you Jan Hejzl --0016e6568f90bf01650496306ba2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,
could anyone give me an advice how to manage text flow (in terms = of orphan/widow control with controlling of flushbottom raggedbottom effect= s?). I am desperate in fact ConTeXt is a great tool but I can't reach e= ffective way how to control these things. (And be sure I have spent many ho= urs above manual and wiki=85 but maybe I am not so technically capable.)
In case I have longer text with many quotations, one-line paragraphs an= d direct speech (typically any novel), I am able to reach a stage without o= rphans and widows but context do what it want with an end of every problema= tic page =96 it simply shrinks it =961 line. I need to be able to create si= mply nice results in a basic-typography point of view of good novel typeset= ting (without orphans, widows, on grid and every page the same height).

Sure I know about \setuptolerance setting but it has (imho) very poor e= ffect for my purposes. (Sure, maybe I am not using it properly.)

Her= e is my result:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4393365/kresadlo.pdf

and source file:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4393365/kresadlo.tex
=85see pages 3 and 4, please. This is what I mean and what I wish to ma= nage in a simple way.

Thank you

Jan Hejzl


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