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I migrated from latex to xelatex to > context. Mainly because of the better font support. I now value context also > for its superior abilities. I feel that I can do more stuff without the use > of \usepackage for this, \usepackage for that. When I read the > documentation, I get the feeling that a lot of thoughts went into the > options that are presented but it's still easy to customize (if you know how > to do it :D) > Here is my input to your questions. > > 1) why users are confused with mkiv/mkii? > The difference is not well explained. Also, mkii (which I don't use) sounds > like "the old version". When I first read about context, it was like "well, > we have this and that (mkii and mkiv)" but it should say "we have mkii, > [insert here: what can it do, for what users is it recommended, pros/cons] > and mkiv [insert info]. If you are not sure what to use, then you should use > mkiv, because that is the future." Or something like that. For me I don't care mkii. I use only mkiv. It's better to separate completely mkii from mkiv distribution. Yes, I see, in this case there is some work more for ConTeXt team. > 2) why they my be reluctant to install the minimals? > Because they already have it in miktex, texlive. What they don't know is > that these versions are outdated and due to the heavy development pretty > far behind. Plus, it should say "Context Standalone" because that is what it > is. Yes, agreed ! mkii should be named "ConTeXt Legacy" ? ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________