XSL-FO to PDF?

XSL-FO to PDF?

[Peter Davis]

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Is there some recent information on using XML, and specifically XSL-FO, with
ConTeXt?  The pages on the contextgarden wiki appear to be 5 years old or
more, and even the archive of this list seem pretty sparse on recent
information.

I'm trying to find the most direct route from XSL-FO to PS or PDF. I'll be
generating hundreds or thousands of XSL-FO documents, and would like to
process them.

Thank you.

-pd

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Re: XSL-FO to PDF?

[luigi scarso]

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Peter Davis <pfd@pfdstudio.com> wrote:
> Is there some recent information on using XML, and specifically XSL-FO, with
> ConTeXt?  The pages on the contextgarden wiki appear to be 5 years old or
> more, and even the archive of this list seem pretty sparse on recent
> information.
> I'm trying to find the most direct route from XSL-FO to PS or PDF. I'll be
> generating hundreds or thousands of XSL-FO documents, and would like to
> process them.
> Thank you.
batik

http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/batik/
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Re: XSL-FO to PDF?

[Hans Hagen]

On 10-11-2010 12:22, Peter Davis wrote:
> Is there some recent information on using XML, and specifically XSL-FO, with
> ConTeXt?  The pages on the contextgarden wiki appear to be 5 years old or
> more, and even the archive of this list seem pretty sparse on recent
> information.
>
> I'm trying to find the most direct route from XSL-FO to PS or PDF. I'll be
> generating hundreds or thousands of XSL-FO documents, and would like to
> process them.

there was never much interest in FO and usually such code only gets 
better when it's used; I have it on my todo list to rewrite the mkii 
specific FO processing code in mkiv as it can be done more efficient etc 
etc but there is not that much incentive ... in projects that I'm 
involved in we normally go directly from xml to pdf simply because it's 
faster, gives better results and takes less coding than going the 
fo-route; and as FO is not that much fun, I'd either need a project or 
see it as a challenge (btw, it's not that big a deal to rewrite the mkii 
code to mkiv)

Hans


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Re: XSL-FO to PDF?

[Peter Davis]

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On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 6:56 PM, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Peter Davis <pfd@pfdstudio.com> wrote:
> > Is there some recent information on using XML, and specifically XSL-FO,
> with
> > ConTeXt?  The pages on the contextgarden wiki appear to be 5 years old or
> > more, and even the archive of this list seem pretty sparse on recent
> > information.
> > I'm trying to find the most direct route from XSL-FO to PS or PDF. I'll
> be
> > generating hundreds or thousands of XSL-FO documents, and would like to
> > process them.
> > Thank you.
> batik
>
> http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/batik/
> --
> luigi
>

Thanks, Luigi.  I'm not sure I see the connection, but I'll take a look.

-pd

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Re: XSL-FO to PDF?

[Peter Davis]

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On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> On 10-11-2010 12:22, Peter Davis wrote:
>
>> Is there some recent information on using XML, and specifically XSL-FO,
>> with
>> ConTeXt?  The pages on the contextgarden wiki appear to be 5 years old or
>> more, and even the archive of this list seem pretty sparse on recent
>> information.
>>
>> I'm trying to find the most direct route from XSL-FO to PS or PDF. I'll be
>> generating hundreds or thousands of XSL-FO documents, and would like to
>> process them.
>>
>
> there was never much interest in FO and usually such code only gets better
> when it's used; I have it on my todo list to rewrite the mkii specific FO
> processing code in mkiv as it can be done more efficient etc etc but there
> is not that much incentive ... in projects that I'm involved in we normally
> go directly from xml to pdf simply because it's faster, gives better results
> and takes less coding than going the fo-route; and as FO is not that much
> fun, I'd either need a project or see it as a challenge (btw, it's not that
> big a deal to rewrite the mkii code to mkiv)
>
> Hans
>


Thanks, Hans.  I can certainly understand that FO has not gotten much
attention.  In our case, though, this is the XML format we're starting with.
 It's not a matter of converting other xml to FO.  I'd be happy to look at
the mkii code, but considering that I'm brand spanking new to ConTeXt, I
don't expect to make any great strides there for a while.

Is it possible to put a setup inside an xmlsetup?  For example, if the xml
specifies a page size, can I put a setup for that inside the xmlsetup that
handles that element?

Thank you,
-pd

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Re: XSL-FO to PDF?

[Renaud AUBIN]

Uh ? Give FOP a try… http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/1.0/index.html
Could you describe your  target chain ? XML → FO → PDF ?

Renaud

Le 10/11/2010 00:22, Peter Davis a écrit :
> Is there some recent information on using XML, and specifically XSL-FO, with
> ConTeXt?  The pages on the contextgarden wiki appear to be 5 years old or
> more, and even the archive of this list seem pretty sparse on recent
> information.
>
> I'm trying to find the most direct route from XSL-FO to PS or PDF. I'll be
> generating hundreds or thousands of XSL-FO documents, and would like to
> process them.
>
> Thank you.
>
> -pd
>
>   
>
>
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Re: XSL-FO to PDF?

[Peter Davis]

On 11/13/10 6:03 AM, Renaud AUBIN wrote:
> Uh ? Give FOP a try… http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/1.0/index.html
> Could you describe your  target chain ? XML → FO → PDF ?

Actually, I could write some XSLT to convert the XSL-FO into TeX or 
ConTeXt.  But I was thinking it might be beneficial to use ConTeXt to 
process the XML (XSL-FO) directly ... get it all under one roof, so to 
speak.

Thanks,
-pd

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Re: XSL-FO to PDF?

[Hans Hagen]

On 13-11-2010 4:14, Peter Davis wrote:
>
> On 11/13/10 6:03 AM, Renaud AUBIN wrote:
>> Uh ? Give FOP a try… http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/1.0/index.html
>> Could you describe your target chain ? XML → FO → PDF ?
>
> Actually, I could write some XSLT to convert the XSL-FO into TeX or
> ConTeXt. But I was thinking it might be beneficial to use ConTeXt to
> process the XML (XSL-FO) directly ... get it all under one roof, so to
> speak.

faster too

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Re: XSL-FO to PDF?

[Peter Davis]

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On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> On 13-11-2010 4:14, Peter Davis wrote:
>
>>
>> On 11/13/10 6:03 AM, Renaud AUBIN wrote:
>>
>>> Uh ? Give FOP a try… http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/1.0/index.html
>>> Could you describe your target chain ? XML → FO → PDF ?
>>>
>>
>> Actually, I could write some XSLT to convert the XSL-FO into TeX or
>> ConTeXt. But I was thinking it might be beneficial to use ConTeXt to
>> process the XML (XSL-FO) directly ... get it all under one roof, so to
>> speak.
>>
>
> faster too


Interesting point.  I initially assumed it would be faster to do all my XML
processing in ConTeXt, but it occurred to me that perhaps using XSLT to or
even home-grown XML processing, I could generate a stream of TeX that could
be processed while I'm still producing it.  So one process might be looking
at successive data records and generating TeX for the various pages, and
another process could be simultaneously running TeX to typeset those pages.


Plausible?

Thank you.

-pd

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Re: XSL-FO to PDF?

[Renaud AUBIN]

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XSLT is fully adapted to XML/XML(fo or other target schema) since it was
the design basis…

My experience is:
− good xslt is (relatively) easy to design as soon as you master the
underlying data model
− xsltproc is REALLY REALLY fast for xslt 1 processing
− if you want something smarter, go for java with saxon/xerces, which is
performant too…

I'm the devil's advocate but what's your need to use ConTeXt. I have not
read all your threads but if you just need:
− to produce pdfs from xml data
− without advanced typesettings
you could use xslt to produce DocBook 5 xml file, include them using
<xi:include href="./data/stuff.xml"/>, configure your layout with an
intermediate xslt + Fo xml config…

Once more, it depends on your original ecosystem and constraints…

If you provide a use case, I should provide a sample if you don't need
it within a couple of hours (but a couple of days)…

Best regards,

Renaud


Le 14/11/2010 22:36, Peter Davis a écrit :
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>
>   
>> On 13-11-2010 4:14, Peter Davis wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> On 11/13/10 6:03 AM, Renaud AUBIN wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Uh ? Give FOP a try… http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/1.0/index.html
>>>> Could you describe your target chain ? XML → FO → PDF ?
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Actually, I could write some XSLT to convert the XSL-FO into TeX or
>>> ConTeXt. But I was thinking it might be beneficial to use ConTeXt to
>>> process the XML (XSL-FO) directly ... get it all under one roof, so to
>>> speak.
>>>
>>>       
>> faster too
>>     
>
> Interesting point.  I initially assumed it would be faster to do all my XML
> processing in ConTeXt, but it occurred to me that perhaps using XSLT to or
> even home-grown XML processing, I could generate a stream of TeX that could
> be processed while I'm still producing it.  So one process might be looking
> at successive data records and generating TeX for the various pages, and
> another process could be simultaneously running TeX to typeset those pages.
>
>
> Plausible?
>
> Thank you.
>
> -pd
>
>   
>
>
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Re: XSL-FO to PDF?

[Peter Davis]

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Hi, Renaud,

In a nutshell, my use is a form of database publishing from two XML 
files.  The first file is *like* XSL-FO, but also contains some 
namespaced constructs.  This XML file is the page template ... it 
represents the layout, the static portions of the page, and the 
locations where various "live" data should get plugged in.

The second XML contains the live data, extracted from a database.  There 
might be thousands or tens of thousands of records of information to 
publish.

So for each main element in the live data file, we use the template 
file, but plug in the live data and generate a beautiful, formatted 
document.  The data may contain plain text, text with some formatting, 
and references to graphics and images in various formats.

It definitely needs to support "advanced" typesetting (beautiful 
paragraphs, tracking and kerning, ligatures, multiple languages, etc.).  
It needs to support full color (mostly CMYK), most widely used fonts 
(T1, TT/OT, CID, etc.)  It also needs to produce finished pages at a 
rate of thousands or tens of thousands of pages per minute.

TeX has the features I want, but I'm still trying to determine the best 
way to use it.  ConTeXt is particularly attractive for its built-in XML 
support, simplefonts support, pdfTeX support and minimals packaging, 
among other things.

-pd


On 11/14/2010 5:48 PM, Renaud AUBIN wrote:
> XSLT is fully adapted to XML/XML(fo or other target schema) since it 
> was the design basis…
>
> My experience is:
> − good xslt is (relatively) easy to design as soon as you master the 
> underlying data model
> − xsltproc is REALLY REALLY fast for xslt 1 processing
> − if you want something smarter, go for java with saxon/xerces, which 
> is performant too…
>
> I'm the devil's advocate but what's your need to use ConTeXt. I have 
> not read all your threads but if you just need:
> − to produce pdfs from xml data
> − without advanced typesettings
> you could use xslt to produce DocBook 5 xml file, include them using 
> <xi:include href="./data/stuff.xml"/>, configure your layout with an 
> intermediate xslt + Fo xml config…
>
> Once more, it depends on your original ecosystem and constraints…
>
> If you provide a use case, I should provide a sample if you don't need 
> it within a couple of hours (but a couple of days)…
>
> Best regards,
>
> Renaud
>
>
> Le 14/11/2010 22:36, Peter Davis a écrit :
>> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Hans Hagen<pragma@wxs.nl>  wrote:
>>
>>    
>>> On 13-11-2010 4:14, Peter Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>> On 11/13/10 6:03 AM, Renaud AUBIN wrote:
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>> Uh ? Give FOP a try…http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/fop/1.0/index.html
>>>>> Could you describe your target chain ? XML → FO → PDF ?
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>> Actually, I could write some XSLT to convert the XSL-FO into TeX or
>>>> ConTeXt. But I was thinking it might be beneficial to use ConTeXt to
>>>> process the XML (XSL-FO) directly ... get it all under one roof, so to
>>>> speak.
>>>>
>>>>        
>>> faster too
>>>      
>> Interesting point.  I initially assumed it would be faster to do all my XML
>> processing in ConTeXt, but it occurred to me that perhaps using XSLT to or
>> even home-grown XML processing, I could generate a stream of TeX that could
>> be processed while I'm still producing it.  So one process might be looking
>> at successive data records and generating TeX for the various pages, and
>> another process could be simultaneously running TeX to typeset those pages.
>>
>>
>> Plausible?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> -pd
>>
>>    
>>
>>
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