From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/15545 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Maurice Diamantini Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: SF project and docs (was: ConTeXt-Wiki) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:13:38 +0200 Sender: ntg-context-admin@ntg.nl Message-ID: References: <6.1.1.1.2.20040601200608.01eb9640@server-1> <20040622161300.GA5608@swordfish> <34371.80.58.5.46.1087924408.squirrel@bitmail.bitmailer.com> <0D45B077-C4DA-11D8-972E-000A9595B57C@ensta.fr> <40D944A4.5030402@gmx.de> <43DEE2EE-C510-11D8-972E-000A9595B57C@ensta.fr> Reply-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1088088913 15677 80.91.224.253 (24 Jun 2004 14:55:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Maurice Diamantini Original-X-From: ntg-context-admin@ntg.nl Thu Jun 24 16:54:59 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from ref.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.13] helo=ref.ntg.nl) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BdVTr-0004AC-00 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:45:35 +0200 Original-Received: from ref.ntg.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ref.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0F010B6C; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:21:50 +0200 (MEST) Original-Received: from ns1.ensta.fr (ns1.ensta.fr [147.250.10.1]) by ref.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFFB10B15 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:16:38 +0200 (MEST) Original-Received: from ensta.ensta.fr (ensta.ensta.fr [147.250.1.1]) by ns1.ensta.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B478DC72 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:16:37 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [147.250.33.133] (mac-oc1 [147.250.33.133]) by ensta.ensta.fr (8.11.6/9.11.6) with ESMTP id i5OEGaO14036; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:16:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: Original-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) Errors-To: ntg-context-admin@ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:15545 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:15545 Le 23 juin 04, =E0 18:59, Henning Hraban Ramm a =E9crit : > And, Maurice, remember: Is there any complete LaTeX manual? > No, there isn't - there are lots of books on different levels, > most of them keep errors or describe old or obsolete packages or > techniques. Yes, there is some reference books LateX from Lamport A guide to Latex 2e ... which all are **suffisant** to do complete scientific documents - mathematiques (not mathxml, which has never be done for beeing=20 written by hand!) - biblio (m-bib) The latex reference book is very small because it does't describe any extension. A ConTeXt reference book would be much like an uptodate cont-eni.pdf manual. It would be comparable to the couple "LaTeX Lamport + Latex Compagnon" For me, some of the top documentations are : gettingStartWithContext LaTeXtoContext.pdf refcontextbook (alias cont-eni for the 8.3 system) metafun-s.pdf the m-bib module and its doc the m-nath module and its doc up-004.p.pdf for table But the reference cont-eni.pdf doesn't talk about math nor biblio. Also there is several means to do tables, and it seams that the two main context reference documents (gettingStart and cont-eni.pdf) doesn't talk about the same table system. Morever, neither of them talk about the last most supported table system which seams to be enattab.pdf!! > And every latex package has its own docs that you should read - some > are books itself (e.g. komascript). Doen't know about it, doen't need it, so I'm glab it is not in the latex manuals :-) > So there's a lot more in the "basic" ConTeXt manual than in most > LaTeX books! Sure, it could always be more & better... > I agree that the whole plethora of single docs isn't really > overviewable. But otherwise they're a nice demonstration of > ConTeXt's capabilities - and I guess Hans meant them to be. It's a good thing that additive fonctionnalities, or full reference of specialised features are not included in the standard manual, I've never asked that the metafun book should be include in the contextbook! I think the simplest thing to do is a to make a lite introduction documentation for use as a guide about which docs should be seen as reference (which table to use, how to to biblio, ...) Also, I think yet that a litly modified version of the contextbook.pdf, by adding the new table, nath and biblio module, should be sufficiant for most peoples. A year ago, I thought that context could become the real "latex3" project, But now, I think that the context is missing for some universities support (latex developpers, user documentation for students, ...). An uptodate documentation could help! Cordialement, -- Maurice