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From: Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com>
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Subject: Re: composing commands
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 11:03:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <B4937A7B-47A8-4DBC-AEBB-C0D722D6D6AB@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cc6ce750-09eb-36cc-1732-2a4b6ff90949@xs4all.nl>

Hi Hans,

Thanks for the new composing commands. I made several tests and everything works great.
I guess when you say something like

> \withgrave       {a} == \\`{a}

you mean

\withgrave       {a} == \`{a}

(this is what I tested…).
Regarding the characters æ and œ, the command \chr produces them correctly, that is

\chr{ae} \chr{AE}
\chr{oe} \chr{OE}

produce

æ Æ
œ Œ

as expected.
If you think these commands are to stay, please tell me if they have to be on the wiki.

Best regards: Otared

> On 8 Feb 2021, at 10:53, Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
> On 2/6/2021 11:41 PM, T. Kurt Bond wrote:
> 
>> I think that it would be useful.  I use Unicode characters extensively in my ConTeXt input, but only because I edit it in Emacs and can set up keymaps that map to the Unicode characters in a way that I can actually remember.  I think that this would add an easily remembered way for people to add combining characters to their documents.  Sometimes a slightly more verbose way to do something is helpful when it is more easily remembered.  (Honestly, I can't remember the hex codes for any Unicode characters after you get out of the range that maps to plain ASCII
> I anyway uprgade this mechanism. First of all, the short commands will be equivalents to more verbose ones.
> 
> \withgrave       {a} == \\`{a}
> \withacute       {a} == \\'{a}
> \withcircumflex  {a} == \\^{a}
> \withtilde       {a} == \\~{a}
> \withmacron      {a} == \\={a}
> \withbreve       {e} == \\u{e}
> \withdot         {c} == \\.{c}
> \withdieresis    {e} == \\"{e}
> \withring        {u} == \\r{u}
> \withhungarumlaut{u} == \\H{u}
> \withcaron       {e} == \\v{e}
> \withcedilla     {e} == \\c{e}
> \withogonek      {e} == \\k{e}
> 
> Did I miss one?
> 
> Then we can deprecate the short ones (keep them a low profile, with permission to overload). After all, I don't expect someone who needs lots of them to use these commands, so more verbose is better then. Aas I already mentioned, in bib files they are treated differently already.
> 
> The low level helper is \chr, that can be used as
> 
> \chr {à} \chr {á} \chr {ä}
> \chr {`a} \chr {'a} \chr {"a}
> \chr {a acute} \chr {a grave} \chr {a umlaut}
> \chr {aacute}  \chr {agrave}  \chr {aumlaut}
> 
> (I can add more of the verbose, like {cyrillic a} if really needed. It means that we can declare \eacute etc also depricated (these verbose names date from \MKII, encoding neutral labels, utf handling, remapping to backend encodings etc but we don't need that and I'm not sure if anyone ever used those long names. Again, depricated, not removed (yet).)
> 
> Then there is the question what to do with \AE and \ij and such ... these were used to enforce specific ligatures into a file assuming that f ont has them but nowadays that's the job of a font handler (script language control). We can keep them but assume them legacy. They normally don't belong in input. (Being Dutch I actually never used \IJ or \ij).
> 
> Now, we can assume that when your languages needs characters with accents that you use a font that has them. In MKIV and LMTX one can
> enable a checker
> 
> \enabletrackers[fonts.missing]
> \enabletrackers[fonts.missing=replace]
> \enabletrackers[fonts.missing=remove]
> 
> but in LMTX it's upgraded with more clever replacements (Jano will document that + more about checking missing stuff in the wiki).
> 
> So, in LMTX we have more options (maybe I'll backport that to MKIV)
> 
> \checkmissingcharacters   \enabletrackers[fonts.missing]
> \removemissingcharacters  \enabletrackers[fonts.missing=remove]
> \replacemissingcharacters \enabletrackers[fonts.missing=replace]
> \handlemissingcharacters  \enabletrackers[fonts.missing={decompose,replace}]
> 
> the last one will inject decomposed characters into the list when font lacks the real thing. The replacements visualize similar to MKIV but adapt to the style.
> 
> Hans
> 
> (no upload yet)
> 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-02-09 10:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-05 16:38 Hans Hagen
2021-02-05 16:49 ` Jairo A. del Rio
2021-02-05 21:28   ` Hans Hagen
2021-02-05 17:19 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2021-02-05 21:30   ` Hans Hagen
2021-02-05 22:25     ` Otared Kavian
2021-02-05 22:39       ` Hans Hagen
2021-02-05 23:01     ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2021-02-05 23:49       ` Hans Hagen
2021-02-05 22:29   ` Hans Hagen
2021-02-06 22:41     ` T. Kurt Bond
2021-02-08  9:53       ` Hans Hagen
2021-02-08 21:42         ` Richard Mahoney
2021-02-09 10:03         ` Otared Kavian [this message]
2021-02-09 13:08           ` Hans Hagen
2021-10-11 11:06         ` Marcus Vinicius Mesquita via ntg-context
2021-02-07 19:40   ` Hans Hagen
2021-02-05 22:21 ` Otared Kavian
2021-02-05 22:47   ` Hans Hagen
2021-02-05 23:45     ` luigi scarso

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