* mkiv and lettrine
@ 2015-02-27 17:01 Gerben Wierda
2015-03-01 10:39 ` Gerben Wierda
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Gerben Wierda @ 2015-02-27 17:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
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I am using lettrine in mkii. I am trying to convert a project to mkiv. I’d like to use lettrine here too.
\usemodule[lettrine]
\setuplettrine[Lines=3,
Hang=.5,
Oversize=0,
Raise=0,
Findent=0pt,
Nindent=0em,
Slope=0em,
Ante=,
FontHook=,
TextFont=\sc,
Image=no]
\lettrine{S}{\kap{\bf uppose we}} have a system
What do I have to change for mkiv?
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread* Re: mkiv and lettrine 2015-02-27 17:01 mkiv and lettrine Gerben Wierda @ 2015-03-01 10:39 ` Gerben Wierda 2015-03-01 10:54 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Gerben Wierda @ 2015-03-01 10:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1146 bytes --] Nobody? On 27 Feb 2015, at 18:01, Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl> wrote: > I am using lettrine in mkii. I am trying to convert a project to mkiv. I’d like to use lettrine here too. > > \usemodule[lettrine] > \setuplettrine[Lines=3, > Hang=.5, > Oversize=0, > Raise=0, > Findent=0pt, > Nindent=0em, > Slope=0em, > Ante=, > FontHook=, > TextFont=\sc, > Image=no] > > \lettrine{S}{\kap{\bf uppose we}} have a system > > What do I have to change for mkiv? > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 3293 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: mkiv and lettrine 2015-03-01 10:39 ` Gerben Wierda @ 2015-03-01 10:54 ` Hans Hagen 2015-03-01 21:43 ` Gerben Wierda 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2015-03-01 10:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 3/1/2015 11:39 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote: > Nobody? > > On 27 Feb 2015, at 18:01, Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl > <mailto:gerben.wierda@rna.nl>> wrote: > >> I am using lettrine in mkii. I am trying to convert a project to mkiv. >> I’d like to use lettrine here too. >> >> \usemodule[lettrine] >> \setuplettrine[Lines=3, >> Hang=.5, >> Oversize=0, >> Raise=0, >> Findent=0pt, >> Nindent=0em, >> Slope=0em, >> Ante=, >> FontHook=, >> TextFont=\sc, >> Image=no] >> >> \lettrine{S}{\kap{\bf uppose we}} have a system >> >> What do I have to change for mkiv? search for 'initials' (probably on the wiki somewhere) .. from the sources: %D \starttyping %D \placeinitial \input ward \par \input ward \par \placeinitial \input tufte %D %D \setupinitial %D [location=text, %D n=2, %D color=darkred, %D distance=-1em, %D hoffset=1em, %D voffset=-3ex, %D before=\blank] %D %D \placeinitial \input ward \par \input ward \placeinitial \input tufte % \setupbodyfont[dejavu,9pt] % % \startbuffer % \setinitial[two] D. E. Knuth \ignorespaces\input knuth \par % \setinitial[two] Knuth \ignorespaces\input knuth \par % \setinitial[two] \quotation{D. E. Knuth} \ignorespaces\input knuth \par % \setinitial[two] \quotation {Knuth} \ignorespaces\input knuth \par % \setinitial[two] [text={D.E. Knuth}] \ignorespaces\input knuth \par % \setinitial[two] [m=4] D. E. Knuth \ignorespaces\input knuth \par % \stopbuffer % % \type{m=2} \start \defineinitial[two][m=2,method=none] \getbuffer \page \stop % \type{m=1,method=auto} \start \defineinitial[two][m=1,method=auto] \getbuffer \page \stop % \type{m=1,method={auto,first,last}} \start \defineinitial[two][m=1,method={first,auto,last}] \getbuffer \page \stop >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry >> to the Wiki! >> >> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl> / >> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net >> archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ >> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: mkiv and lettrine 2015-03-01 10:54 ` Hans Hagen @ 2015-03-01 21:43 ` Gerben Wierda 2015-03-10 10:38 ` Gerben Wierda 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Gerben Wierda @ 2015-03-01 21:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1033 bytes --] On 01 Mar 2015, at 11:54, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > On 3/1/2015 11:39 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote: >> Nobody? >> >> On 27 Feb 2015, at 18:01, Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl >> <mailto:gerben.wierda@rna.nl>> wrote: >> >>> I am using lettrine in mkii. I am trying to convert a project to mkiv. >>> I’d like to use lettrine here too. >>> >>> \usemodule[lettrine] >>> \setuplettrine[Lines=3, >>> Hang=.5, >>> Oversize=0, >>> Raise=0, >>> Findent=0pt, >>> Nindent=0em, >>> Slope=0em, >>> Ante=, >>> FontHook=, >>> TextFont=\sc, >>> Image=no] >>> >>> \lettrine{S}{\kap{\bf uppose we}} have a system >>> >>> What do I have to change for mkiv? > > search for 'initials' (probably on the wiki somewhere) http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Initials Halfway down, lettrine for "if you need more options". But the given example does not work in mkiv G [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 2620 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: mkiv and lettrine 2015-03-01 21:43 ` Gerben Wierda @ 2015-03-10 10:38 ` Gerben Wierda 2015-03-10 11:03 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Gerben Wierda @ 2015-03-10 10:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1764 bytes --] Nobody? Is there a way to get the ‘more options’ mentioned on ConTeXtgarden to work in mkiv? G On 01 Mar 2015, at 22:43, Gerben Wierda <Gerben.Wierda@rna.nl> wrote: > On 01 Mar 2015, at 11:54, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > >> On 3/1/2015 11:39 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote: >>> Nobody? >>> >>> On 27 Feb 2015, at 18:01, Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl >>> <mailto:gerben.wierda@rna.nl>> wrote: >>> >>>> I am using lettrine in mkii. I am trying to convert a project to mkiv. >>>> I’d like to use lettrine here too. >>>> >>>> \usemodule[lettrine] >>>> \setuplettrine[Lines=3, >>>> Hang=.5, >>>> Oversize=0, >>>> Raise=0, >>>> Findent=0pt, >>>> Nindent=0em, >>>> Slope=0em, >>>> Ante=, >>>> FontHook=, >>>> TextFont=\sc, >>>> Image=no] >>>> >>>> \lettrine{S}{\kap{\bf uppose we}} have a system >>>> >>>> What do I have to change for mkiv? >> >> search for 'initials' (probably on the wiki somewhere) > > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Initials > > Halfway down, lettrine for "if you need more options". But the given example does not work in mkiv > > G > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 3968 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: mkiv and lettrine 2015-03-10 10:38 ` Gerben Wierda @ 2015-03-10 11:03 ` Hans Hagen 2015-03-10 17:11 ` Gerben Wierda 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2015-03-10 11:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 3/10/2015 11:38 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote: > Nobody? Is there a way to get the ‘more options’ mentioned on > ConTeXtgarden to work in mkiv? there are some examples in the test suits (typesetting/initials*) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: mkiv and lettrine 2015-03-10 11:03 ` Hans Hagen @ 2015-03-10 17:11 ` Gerben Wierda 2015-03-10 17:22 ` Gerben Wierda 2015-03-10 17:35 ` luigi scarso 0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Gerben Wierda @ 2015-03-10 17:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 10 Mar 2015, at 12:03, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > On 3/10/2015 11:38 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote: >> Nobody? Is there a way to get the ‘more options’ mentioned on >> ConTeXtgarden to work in mkiv? > > there are some examples in the test suits (typesetting/initials*) And where are the test suites? They’re not part of the distribution. G ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: mkiv and lettrine 2015-03-10 17:11 ` Gerben Wierda @ 2015-03-10 17:22 ` Gerben Wierda 2015-03-10 17:35 ` luigi scarso 1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Gerben Wierda @ 2015-03-10 17:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Test_suite links to https://foundry.supelec.fr/gf/project/contexttest/scmsvn/?action=AccessInfo which is a dead link. Most if not all links to supelec on that page are dead On 10 Mar 2015, at 18:11, Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl> wrote: > On 10 Mar 2015, at 12:03, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > >> On 3/10/2015 11:38 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote: >>> Nobody? Is there a way to get the ‘more options’ mentioned on >>> ConTeXtgarden to work in mkiv? >> >> there are some examples in the test suits (typesetting/initials*) > > And where are the test suites? They’re not part of the distribution. > > G > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: mkiv and lettrine 2015-03-10 17:11 ` Gerben Wierda 2015-03-10 17:22 ` Gerben Wierda @ 2015-03-10 17:35 ` luigi scarso 2015-03-10 21:51 ` Gerben Wierda 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2015-03-10 17:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 536 bytes --] On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl> wrote: > On 10 Mar 2015, at 12:03, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > > > On 3/10/2015 11:38 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote: > >> Nobody? Is there a way to get the ‘more options’ mentioned on > >> ConTeXtgarden to work in mkiv? > > > > there are some examples in the test suits (typesetting/initials*) > > And where are the test suites? They’re not part of the distribution. > > http://www.pragma-ade.nl/context/latest/cont-tst.7z -- luigi [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1224 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: mkiv and lettrine 2015-03-10 17:35 ` luigi scarso @ 2015-03-10 21:51 ` Gerben Wierda 2015-03-10 22:56 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Gerben Wierda @ 2015-03-10 21:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2324 bytes --] After studying that, I’ve been unable to find out how to do the following. \starttext \placeinitial {``L}{\kap{\bf et me}} tell you a little story.\index{Wittgenstein+ice floor analogy} There was once a young man who dreamed of reducing the world to pure logic. Because he was a very clever young man, he actually managed to do it. When he had finished his work, he stood back and admired it. It was beautiful! A world purged of imperfection and indetermenency. Countless acres of gleaming ice stretching to the horizon. So the clever young man looked around the world he had created and decided to explore it. He took one step forward and fell flat on his back. You see, he had forgotten about friction! The ice was smooth and level and stainless, but you couldn't walk there. So the clever young man sat down and wept bitter tears. But as he grew into a wise old man, he came to understand that roughness and ambiguity aren't imperfections, they are what make the \stoptext I’d like to - Have ``L in the initial (quote mark + L) - Have the initial a bit in the margin, but not fully - Have the top of the initial not rise above the top of the first line On 10 Mar 2015, at 18:35, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl> wrote: > On 10 Mar 2015, at 12:03, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote: > > > On 3/10/2015 11:38 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote: > >> Nobody? Is there a way to get the ‘more options’ mentioned on > >> ConTeXtgarden to work in mkiv? > > > > there are some examples in the test suits (typesetting/initials*) > > And where are the test suites? They’re not part of the distribution. > > > http://www.pragma-ade.nl/context/latest/cont-tst.7z > > > > > -- > luigi > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 3856 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: mkiv and lettrine 2015-03-10 21:51 ` Gerben Wierda @ 2015-03-10 22:56 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2015-03-10 22:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 3/10/2015 10:51 PM, Gerben Wierda wrote: > After studying that, I’ve been unable to find out how to do the following. > > \starttext > \placeinitial {``L}{\kap{\bf et me}} tell you a little > story.\index{Wittgenstein+ice floor analogy} There was once a > young man who dreamed of reducing the world to pure logic. Because he was a > very clever young man, he actually managed to do it. When he had > finished his > work, he stood back and admired it. It was beautiful! A world purged of > imperfection and indetermenency. Countless acres of gleaming ice > stretching to > the horizon. So the clever young man looked around the world he had created > and decided to explore it. He took one step forward and fell flat on his > back. > You see, he had forgotten about friction! The ice was smooth and level and > stainless, but you couldn't walk there. So the clever young man sat down and > wept bitter tears. But as he grew into a wise old man, he came to understand > that roughness and ambiguity aren't imperfections, they are what make the > \stoptext > > I’d like to > - Have ``L in the initial (quote mark + L) > - Have the initial a bit in the margin, but not fully > - Have the top of the initial not rise above the top of the first line \setupbodyfont[dejavu] \starttext \setupinitial[font=Bold cp \measure{initial:n},hoffset=2ex,voffset=1\lineheight,n=2,m=2,distance=-1ex] \placeinitial `What is this. \input ward \par \stoptext ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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