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charset=iso-8859-1 Am 10.04.2013 um 10:46 schrieb "H. =D6zoguz" : > Am 10.04.2013 10:29, schrieb ntg-context-request@ntg.nl: >> mtxrun --script font --list --all --pattern=3D*garamond* > I got this: > +++++++++++++++++++++++ > adobegaramondpro agaramondprobold = c:/windows/fonts/AGaramondPro-Bold.otf > adobegaramondprobold agaramondprobold = c:/windows/fonts/AGaramondPro-Bold.otf > adobegaramondproitalic agaramondprobolditalic = c:/windows/fonts/AGaramondPro-BoldItalic.otf > adobegaramondpronormal agaramondproitalic = c:/windows/fonts/AGaramondPro-Italic.otf > adobegaramondproregular agaramondprobold = c:/windows/fonts/AGaramondPro-Bold.otf > agaramondprobold agaramondprobold = c:/windows/fonts/AGaramondPro-Bold.otf > agaramondprobolditalic agaramondprobolditalic = c:/windows/fonts/AGaramondPro-BoldItalic.otf > agaramondproitalic agaramondproitalic = c:/windows/fonts/AGaramondPro-Italic.otf > agaramondproregular agaramondproregular = c:/windows/fonts/AGaramondPro-Regular.otf > ebgaramond ebgaramond08regular = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond08-Regular.otf > ebgaramond08regular ebgaramond08regular = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond08-Regular.otf > ebgaramond08regularsmallcaps ebgaramond08sc = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond08-SC.otf > ebgaramond08sc ebgaramond08sc = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond08-SC.otf > ebgaramond12allsc ebgaramond12allsc = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond12-AllSC.otf > ebgaramond12allscnormal ebgaramond12allsc = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond12-AllSC.otf > ebgaramond12italic ebgaramond12italic = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond12-Italic.otf > ebgaramond12regular ebgaramond12regular = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond12-Regular.otf > ebgaramond12regularallsmallcaps ebgaramond12allsc = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond12-AllSC.otf > ebgaramond12regularsmallcaps ebgaramond12sc = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond12-SC.otf > ebgaramond12sc ebgaramond12sc = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond12-SC.otf > ebgaramondinitials ebgaramondinitials = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-Initials.otf > ebgaramondinitialsf1 ebgaramondinitialsf1 = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-InitialsF1.otf > ebgaramondinitialsf2 ebgaramondinitialsf2 = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-InitialsF2.otf > ebgaramondinitialsfill1 ebgaramondinitialsf1 = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-InitialsF1.otf > ebgaramondinitialsfill1normal ebgaramondinitialsf1 = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-InitialsF1.otf > ebgaramondinitialsfill1regular ebgaramondinitialsf1 = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-InitialsF1.otf > ebgaramondinitialsfill2 ebgaramondinitialsf2 = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-InitialsF2.otf > ebgaramondinitialsfill2normal ebgaramondinitialsf2 = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-InitialsF2.otf > ebgaramondinitialsfill2regular ebgaramondinitialsf2 = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-InitialsF2.otf > ebgaramondinitialsnormal ebgaramondinitials = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-Initials.otf > ebgaramondinitialsregular ebgaramondinitials = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-Initials.otf > ebgaramonditalic ebgaramond12italic = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond12-Italic.otf > ebgaramondnormal ebgaramond08regular = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond08-Regular.otf > ebgaramondregular ebgaramond08regular = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond08-Regular.otf > ebgaramondsc ebgaramond08sc = c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond08-SC.otf > garamond garamond = c:/windows/fonts/GARA.TTF > garamondantiqua garamondantiqua = c:/windows/fonts/91545.ttf > garamondbold garamondbold = c:/windows/fonts/GARABD.TTF > garamondhalbfett garamondhalbfett = c:/windows/fonts/91547.ttf > garamonditalic garamonditalic = c:/windows/fonts/GARAIT.TTF > garamondkursiv garamondkursiv = c:/windows/fonts/91546.ttf > garamondkursivhalbfett garamondkursivhalbfett = c:/windows/fonts/91548.ttf > garamondnormal garamondantiqua = c:/windows/fonts/91545.ttf > stempelgaramondbold stempelgaramondbold = c:/windows/fonts/11547.ttf > stempelgaramondbolditalic stempelgaramondbolditalic = c:/windows/fonts/11548.ttf > stempelgaramonditalic stempelgaramonditalic = c:/windows/fonts/11546.ttf > stempelgaramondroman stempelgaramondroman = c:/windows/fonts/11545.ttf > stempelgaramondromanbold stempelgaramondbold = c:/windows/fonts/11547.ttf > stempelgaramondromanbolditalic stempelgaramondbolditalic = c:/windows/fonts/11548.ttf > stempelgaramondromanitalic stempelgaramonditalic = c:/windows/fonts/11546.ttf > stempelgaramondromannormal stempelgaramondroman = c:/windows/fonts/11545.ttf > ++++++++++++++++++++++ >=20 > Maybe too many different garamonds? =20 This is no problem because they have different names, you can try the = following example: \usemodule[simplefonts] \setmainfont[Garamond] %\setmainfont[Adobe Garamond Pro] %\setmainfont[AGaramondPro] %\setmainfont[EBGaramond] %\setmainfont[Stempel Garamond] \starttext Regular, \it Italic, \bf Bold and \bi Bolditalic. \stoptext > Another interesting question: I compared the results using the = Simplefont solution and your Typescript solution, both with hanging. = Both works, but it is not the same output. It seems, that with = Simplefont it is "nicer", in the following sence: The distance between a = capital of a beginning word to the next letter it better typed, f.e. in = "Hans Meier" the distance of "H" to "ans" could be too much in the = typescript example, but is perfect with Simplefont. >=20 > Where does this difference in typography between Typescript and = Simplefont comes from? Maybe a kerning issue, you can add \showfontkerns at the begin of your = document to visualize the kerning. Wolfgang= --Apple-Mail=_384BC9A8-ED13-4163-92A4-24A7E2D212E3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 h.oezoguz@mmnetz.de>:
=20 =20
Am 10.04.2013 10:29, schrieb ntg-context-request@ntg.nl:=
= 
mtxrun --script font --list --all --pattern=3D*garamond*
I got this:
+++++++++++++++++++++++
= adobegaramondpro         &nbs= p;        = agaramondprobold         &nbs= p;  c:/windows/fonts/AGaramondPro-Bold.otf
= adobegaramondprobold         =      = agaramondprobold         &nbs= p;  c:/windows/fonts/AGaramondPro-Bold.otf
= adobegaramondproitalic        &nbs= p;   agaramondprobolditalic      c:/windows/fonts/AGaramondPro-BoldItalic.otf
= adobegaramondpronormal        &nbs= p;   = agaramondproitalic          c:/windows/fonts/AGaramondPro-Italic.otf
= adobegaramondproregular        &nb= sp;  = agaramondprobold         &nbs= p;  c:/windows/fonts/AGaramondPro-Bold.otf
= agaramondprobold         &nbs= p;        = agaramondprobold         &nbs= p;  c:/windows/fonts/AGaramondPro-Bold.otf
= agaramondprobolditalic        &nbs= p;   agaramondprobolditalic      c:/windows/fonts/AGaramondPro-BoldItalic.otf
= agaramondproitalic         &n= bsp;      = agaramondproitalic          c:/windows/fonts/AGaramondPro-Italic.otf
= agaramondproregular         &= nbsp;     = agaramondproregular         c:/windows/fonts/AGaramondPro-Regular.otf
= ebgaramond          &nbs= p;            = ebgaramond08regular         c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond08-Regular.otf
= ebgaramond08regular         &= nbsp;     = ebgaramond08regular         c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond08-Regular.otf
ebgaramond08regularsmallcaps      = ebgaramond08sc          =     c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond08-SC.otf
= ebgaramond08sc          =           = ebgaramond08sc          =     c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond08-SC.otf
= ebgaramond12allsc         &nb= sp;       = ebgaramond12allsc         &nb= sp; c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond12-AllSC.otf
= ebgaramond12allscnormal        &nb= sp;  = ebgaramond12allsc         &nb= sp; c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond12-AllSC.otf
= ebgaramond12italic         &n= bsp;      = ebgaramond12italic          c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond12-Italic.otf
= ebgaramond12regular         &= nbsp;     = ebgaramond12regular         c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond12-Regular.otf
ebgaramond12regularallsmallcaps   = ebgaramond12allsc         &nb= sp; c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond12-AllSC.otf
ebgaramond12regularsmallcaps      = ebgaramond12sc          =     c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond12-SC.otf
= ebgaramond12sc          =           = ebgaramond12sc          =     c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond12-SC.otf
= ebgaramondinitials         &n= bsp;      = ebgaramondinitials          c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-Initials.otf
= ebgaramondinitialsf1         =      = ebgaramondinitialsf1        c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-InitialsF1.otf
= ebgaramondinitialsf2         =      = ebgaramondinitialsf2        c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-InitialsF2.otf
= ebgaramondinitialsfill1        &nb= sp;  ebgaramondinitialsf1        c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-InitialsF1.otf
ebgaramondinitialsfill1normal     = ebgaramondinitialsf1        c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-InitialsF1.otf
ebgaramondinitialsfill1regular    = ebgaramondinitialsf1        c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-InitialsF1.otf
= ebgaramondinitialsfill2        &nb= sp;  ebgaramondinitialsf2        c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-InitialsF2.otf
ebgaramondinitialsfill2normal     = ebgaramondinitialsf2        c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-InitialsF2.otf
ebgaramondinitialsfill2regular    = ebgaramondinitialsf2        c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-InitialsF2.otf
= ebgaramondinitialsnormal        &n= bsp; = ebgaramondinitials          c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-Initials.otf
= ebgaramondinitialsregular         = ebgaramondinitials          c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond-Initials.otf
= ebgaramonditalic         &nbs= p;        = ebgaramond12italic          c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond12-Italic.otf
= ebgaramondnormal         &nbs= p;        = ebgaramond08regular         c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond08-Regular.otf
= ebgaramondregular         &nb= sp;       = ebgaramond08regular         c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond08-Regular.otf
= ebgaramondsc          &n= bsp;           = ebgaramond08sc          =     c:/windows/fonts/EBGaramond08-SC.otf
= garamond           =             &n= bsp;  = garamond           =          c:/windows/fonts/GARA.TTF
= garamondantiqua          = ;         = garamondantiqua          = ;   c:/windows/fonts/91545.ttf
= garamondbold          &n= bsp;           = garamondbold          &n= bsp;     c:/windows/fonts/GARABD.TTF
= garamondhalbfett         &nbs= p;        = garamondhalbfett         &nbs= p;  c:/windows/fonts/91547.ttf
= garamonditalic          =           = garamonditalic          =     c:/windows/fonts/GARAIT.TTF
= garamondkursiv          =           = garamondkursiv          =     c:/windows/fonts/91546.ttf
= garamondkursivhalbfett        &nbs= p;   garamondkursivhalbfett      c:/windows/fonts/91548.ttf
= garamondnormal          =           = garamondantiqua          = ;   c:/windows/fonts/91545.ttf
= stempelgaramondbold         &= nbsp;     = stempelgaramondbold         c:/windows/fonts/11547.ttf
= stempelgaramondbolditalic         = stempelgaramondbolditalic   c:/windows/fonts/11548.ttf
= stempelgaramonditalic         = ;    = stempelgaramonditalic       c:/windows/fonts/11546.ttf
= stempelgaramondroman         =      = stempelgaramondroman        c:/windows/fonts/11545.ttf
= stempelgaramondromanbold        &n= bsp; stempelgaramondbold         c:/windows/fonts/11547.ttf
stempelgaramondromanbolditalic    = stempelgaramondbolditalic   c:/windows/fonts/11548.ttf
stempelgaramondromanitalic        = stempelgaramonditalic       c:/windows/fonts/11546.ttf
stempelgaramondromannormal        = stempelgaramondroman        c:/windows/fonts/11545.ttf
++++++++++++++++++++++

Maybe too many different garamonds?    =  

This is no problem because = they have different names, you can try the following = example:

\usemodule[simplefonts]

\setmainfont[Garamond]
%\setmainfont[Adobe = Garamond = Pro]
%\setmainfont[AGaramondPro]
= %\setmainfont[EBGaramond]
%\setmainfont[St= empel = Garamond]

\starttext
Regula= r, \it Italic, \bf Bold and \bi = Bolditalic.
\stoptext

Another = interesting question: I compared the results using the Simplefont solution and your Typescript solution, both with hanging. Both works, but it is not the same output. It seems, that with Simplefont it is "nicer", in the following sence: The distance between a capital of a beginning word to the next letter it better typed, f.e. in "Hans Meier" the distance of "H" to "ans" could be too much in the typescript example, but is perfect with = Simplefont.

Where does this difference in typography between Typescript and Simplefont comes from?

Maybe a = kerning issue, you can add \showfontkerns at the begin of your = document to visualize the = kerning.

Wolfgang
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