Layers in ConTeXt

Layers in ConTeXt

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Hello all,

I have a couple of questions concerning the use of layers in
ConTeXt. I'm working with Luigi Scarso on a layout which is
characterized by some fixed-position elements surrounding
the actual main body of text.

For the fixed-position elements, I'm using layers. However,
my ConTeXt is a little rusty[*], so there are a couple of
things which I need hints for.

The first one is very simple: is there a way to 'fix' the
layer's content "until they change"? I've currently set them
as page backgrounds, but their content gets reset on each
new page.

The second question is slightly more complex: is there a way
to add contents to a layer, rather than replacing the
current layer content? Something like a macro

\addtolayer[layername][hoffset=whatever(optional)]{additional content}

Thanks in advance,

-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

P.S. To prove that it's really me, I'll signal two minor
typos in the context source:

core-tab.tex:88:%D   {inintable, ifsplittables}

(first should be ifintable), and

page-lyr.tex:81:      \c!x=\zeropoint,\c!y=\zeropoint,\c!position=\v!no,
page-lyr.tex:87:      \c!location=rb,\c!position=\v!no,\c!page=,

position=no is set twice in the same setup.

[*] I've been out of the loop for a couple of years, the
University has sucked up most of my time. I was never too
happy with it, and I'm planning on a comeback :D

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Re: Layers in ConTeXt

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Re: Layers in ConTeXt

[Peter Rolf]

Hi Guiseppe,

welcome back ;)

Giuseppe Bilotta schrieb:
> Hello all,
> 
> I have a couple of questions concerning the use of layers in
> ConTeXt. I'm working with Luigi Scarso on a layout which is
> characterized by some fixed-position elements surrounding
> the actual main body of text.
> 
> For the fixed-position elements, I'm using layers. However,
> my ConTeXt is a little rusty[*], so there are a couple of
> things which I need hints for.
>
> The first one is very simple: is there a way to 'fix' the
> layer's content "until they change"? I've currently set them
> as page backgrounds, but their content gets reset on each
> new page.
> 
> The second question is slightly more complex: is there a way
> to add contents to a layer, rather than replacing the
> current layer content? Something like a macro
> 
> \addtolayer[layername][hoffset=whatever(optional)]{additional content}
>

use a collector (Details, p.75) instead; I have no experience with them,
but setup should be the same as for layer.

% - - - - -
\definecollector[foo][state=repeat]

\starttext
\switchtobodyfont[32pt]

\setcollector[foo]{\strut eat more...}
\flushcollector[foo]

\page[yes]

\setcollector[foo][hoffset=6cm]{\strut poppler}
\flushcollector[foo]

\stoptext
% - - - - -

Greetings, Peter
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Re: Layers in ConTeXt

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Friday, July 13, 2007 Peter Rolf wrote:

> Hi Guiseppe,

> welcome back ;)

Thanks :) (btw, it's gIUseppe :D)

> Giuseppe Bilotta schrieb:
>> The first one is very simple: is there a way to 'fix' the
>> layer's content "until they change"? I've currently set them
>> as page backgrounds, but their content gets reset on each
>> new page.
> use a collector (Details, p.75) instead; I have no experience with them,
> but setup should be the same as for layer.

> % - - - - -
> \definecollector[foo][state=repeat]

> \starttext
> \switchtobodyfont[32pt]

> \setcollector[foo]{\strut eat more...}
> \flushcollector[foo]

> \page[yes]

> \setcollector[foo][hoffset=6cm]{\strut poppler}
> \flushcollector[foo]

> \stoptext
> % - - - - -

Excellent, thanks.

BTW, just to show how out of the loop I am, where can I get
the Details manual? :D

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Re: Layers in ConTeXt

[Peter Rolf]

Giuseppe Bilotta schrieb:
> Friday, July 13, 2007 Peter Rolf wrote:
> 
>> Hi Guiseppe,
> 
>> welcome back ;)
> 
> Thanks :) (btw, it's gIUseppe :D)
>
Sorry for that. Too much GUI (graphical user interface) stuff in my
work... :)

>> Giuseppe Bilotta schrieb:
>>> The first one is very simple: is there a way to 'fix' the
>>> layer's content "until they change"? I've currently set them
>>> as page backgrounds, but their content gets reset on each
>>> new page.
>> use a collector (Details, p.75) instead; I have no experience with them,
>> but setup should be the same as for layer.
> 
>> % - - - - -
>> \definecollector[foo][state=repeat]
> 
>> \starttext
>> \switchtobodyfont[32pt]
> 
>> \setcollector[foo]{\strut eat more...}
>> \flushcollector[foo]
> 
>> \page[yes]
> 
>> \setcollector[foo][hoffset=6cm]{\strut poppler}
>> \flushcollector[foo]
> 
>> \stoptext
>> % - - - - -
> 
> Excellent, thanks.
> 
> BTW, just to show how out of the loop I am, where can I get
> the Details manual? :D
> 
http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/details.pdf
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Re: Layers in ConTeXt

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Friday, July 13, 2007 Peter Rolf wrote:

>>> Giuseppe Bilotta schrieb:
>>>> The first one is very simple: is there a way to 'fix' the
>>>> layer's content "until they change"? I've currently set them
>>>> as page backgrounds, but their content gets reset on each
>>>> new page.
>>> use a collector (Details, p.75) instead; I have no experience with them,
>>> but setup should be the same as for layer.
>> 
>>> % - - - - -
>>> \definecollector[foo][state=repeat]
>>
>> Excellent, thanks.
>> 
>> BTW, just to show how out of the loop I am, where can I get
>> the Details manual? :D
>> 
> http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/details.pdf

Oh yeah thanks. I'll be able to get a few more tricks from
that.

I've found that [state=repeat] works for layers too. I
wonder if there are any technical differences between them
...

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Re: Layers in ConTeXt

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

> Hello all,

Welcome back Giuseppe. I had benifitted a lot from your efforts of 
improving the math support in ConTeXt. Had it not been for the amsl 
module, I might have never switched to ConTeXt and would have missed a 
lot of fun.

> I have a couple of questions concerning the use of layers in
> ConTeXt. I'm working with Luigi Scarso on a layout which is
> characterized by some fixed-position elements surrounding
> the actual main body of text.
>
> For the fixed-position elements, I'm using layers. However,
> my ConTeXt is a little rusty[*], so there are a couple of
> things which I need hints for.
>
> The first one is very simple: is there a way to 'fix' the
> layer's content "until they change"? I've currently set them
> as page backgrounds, but their content gets reset on each
> new page.
>
> The second question is slightly more complex: is there a way
> to add contents to a layer, rather than replacing the
> current layer content? Something like a macro
>
> \addtolayer[layername][hoffset=whatever(optional)]{additional content}

This is how I would do it. Not sure if this is the best way. Use 
tokens to keep track of the current information that should go to the 
layer, and repeat the layer on each page.

\newtoks\testtoks

\definelayer[test]
             [ width=\paperwidth,
              height=\paperheight,
             ]

\startsetups make:test
\setlayer[test][x=5cm,y=3cm]{\framed[align=normal,width=5cm]{\the\testtoks}}
\stopsetups

\setupbackgrounds[page][setups=make:test,background=test]

\starttext

\testtoks{This is a test}

Let's see

\page

Now add something to the layer

\input knuth

\appendtoks \endgraf \input tufte \to \testtoks

\page

Let's start all over again

\testtoks {Testing again}

\stoptext


HTH,
Aditya
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endnotes

[Horacio Suarez]

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hello:

i´m using endnotes at the end of each chapter and I have 2 problems:

1. I want some space between a note and the next one. How can I do that?

2. When the last page of a chapter is half filled o more -or somethig like 
that- the endnotes jumps to a new page, but if the last page of a chapter is 
less than a half filled, then the endnotes keeps in the same page, as I 
want.

Thankyou in advance.






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Re: Layers in ConTeXt

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Saturday, July 14, 2007 Aditya Mahajan wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

>> Hello all,

> Welcome back Giuseppe. I had benifitted a lot from your efforts of
> improving the math support in ConTeXt. Had it not been for the amsl
> module, I might have never switched to ConTeXt and would have missed a
> lot of fun.

Thanks :) I really hope I'll be able to get back at ConTeXt
development and/or other contributions to the TeX world.

> This is how I would do it. Not sure if this is the best way. Use
> tokens to keep track of the current information that should go to the
> layer, and repeat the layer on each page.

> \newtoks\testtoks

> \definelayer[test]
>              [ width=\paperwidth,
>               height=\paperheight,
>              ]

> \startsetups make:test
> \setlayer[test][x=5cm,y=3cm]{\framed[align=normal,width=5cm]{\the\testtoks}}
> \stopsetups

> \setupbackgrounds[page][setups=make:test,background=test]

An interesting approach. I really need to learn to use
setups.

In the end, as the layout specifications got defined more
accurately, it turns out the number and position of the
layer elements is much less flexible than I originally
thought, so I don't need this approach anymore, but I'll
keep it in mind for future needs.

One thing that I've noticed with repeating layers is that
they appear also on 'empty' pages (as in those left by
forcing an even or odd page). Is it possible to suppress
then in those cases? Do the blank pages left by these
commands have a particular setup that can be tweaked?

-- 
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endnotes

[Horacio Suarez]

hello:

I have a problem with endnotes.

I use \placefootnotes at the end of each chapter.

When the last page of a chapter is almost empty, the footnotes are placed at 
the same page, but when the las page of a chapter is almost full, the notes 
jumps to a new page.

Also, I have a \stopcolumns before the notes.

How can I force the notes to keep in the same page?

Thankyou.




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Re: endnotes

[Aditya Mahajan]

Quoting Horacio Suarez <horaciosuarez@hotmail.com>:

> hello:
>
> I have a problem with endnotes.
>
> I use \placefootnotes at the end of each chapter.
>
> When the last page of a chapter is almost empty, the footnotes are placed at
> the same page, but when the las page of a chapter is almost full, the notes
> jumps to a new page.
>
> Also, I have a \stopcolumns before the notes.
>
> How can I force the notes to keep in the same page?
>
> Thankyou.

Can you please send a minimal example to work with?

Aditya
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Re: endnotes

[Horacio Suarez]

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This is an exaple, I hope it´s ok. If you coment/uncoment one of the 
\dorecurse lines at a time you will see. Even if there is enough place to 
place the foonotes, in the first case the notes jumps to a new page.

%%%%%%%%%%%%
\starttext

\setupfootnotes[location={none}]

    \chapter Capitulo1

   \startcolumns

        Aca va texto\footnote{foot uno}

%\dorecurse{3}{\input tufte\par}

\dorecurse{2}{\input tufte\par}

        Aca más texto\footnote{foot dos}

   \stopcolumns


\section Notas

\placefootnotes

\stoptext

%%%%%%%%%%

Thankyou for yor patient.

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Re: endnotes

[Aditya Mahajan]

Quoting Horacio Suarez <horaciosuarez@hotmail.com>:

> This is an exaple, I hope it´s ok. If you coment/uncoment one of the 
> \dorecurse lines at a time you will see. Even if there is enough 
> place to place the foonotes, in the first case the notes jumps to a 
> new page.

This seems to be a bug in start/stop columns. From what I remember, 
columns causes a page break if sum of the two columns is greater than 
the page length. Here is an example.

\starttext

\setupfootnotes[location={none}]

\dorecurse{10}{
\chapter Capitulo1--\recurselevel{}

\startcolumns

% Aca va texto\footnote{foot uno}

\dorecurse{\recurselevel}{\input tufte\par}

% Aca más texto\footnote{foot dos}

\stopcolumns

\section Notas

\input tufte

  }
\stoptext


This may help others to help what is happening.

Aditya
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Re: endnotes

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

> Quoting Horacio Suarez <horaciosuarez@hotmail.com>:
>
>> This is an exaple, I hope it´s ok. If you coment/uncoment one of the
>> \dorecurse lines at a time you will see. Even if there is enough
>> place to place the foonotes, in the first case the notes jumps to a
>> new page.
>
> This seems to be a bug in start/stop columns. From what I remember,
> columns causes a page break if sum of the two columns is greater than
> the page length. Here is an example.

Here is a fix. Caveat: I do not completely understand multi-columns, 
so be careful while using this fix.

\def\multicolumnseject
   {%\message{\the\pagetotal,\the\textheight}%
    %AM: Added divide my nofcolumns
    \ifdim\dimexpr\pagetotal/\nofcolumns>\textheight
      \eject % new
    \else
      \allowbreak
    \fi}



> \starttext
>
> \setupfootnotes[location={none}]
>
> \dorecurse{10}{
> \chapter Capitulo1--\recurselevel{}
>
> \startcolumns
>
> % Aca va texto\footnote{foot uno}
>
> \dorecurse{\recurselevel}{\input tufte\par}
>
> % Aca más texto\footnote{foot dos}
>
> \stopcolumns
>
> \section Notas
>
> \input tufte
>
>  }
\stoptext

Aditya
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Re: endnotes

[Horacio Suarez]

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thankyou very much, Aditya .


>From: Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu>
>Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
>To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
>Subject: Re: [NTG-context] endnotes
>Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:12:47 -0400 (EDT)
>
>On Mon, 16 Jul 2007, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>
> > Quoting Horacio Suarez <horaciosuarez@hotmail.com>:
> >
> >> This is an exaple, I hope it´s ok. If you coment/uncoment one of the
> >> \dorecurse lines at a time you will see. Even if there is enough
> >> place to place the foonotes, in the first case the notes jumps to a
> >> new page.
> >
> > This seems to be a bug in start/stop columns. From what I remember,
> > columns causes a page break if sum of the two columns is greater than
> > the page length. Here is an example.
>
>Here is a fix. Caveat: I do not completely understand multi-columns,
>so be careful while using this fix.
>
>\def\multicolumnseject
>    {%\message{\the\pagetotal,\the\textheight}%
>     %AM: Added divide my nofcolumns
>     \ifdim\dimexpr\pagetotal/\nofcolumns>\textheight
>       \eject % new
>     \else
>       \allowbreak
>     \fi}
>
>
>
> > \starttext
> >
> > \setupfootnotes[location={none}]
> >
> > \dorecurse{10}{
> > \chapter Capitulo1--\recurselevel{}
> >
> > \startcolumns
> >
> > % Aca va texto\footnote{foot uno}
> >
> > \dorecurse{\recurselevel}{\input tufte\par}
> >
> > % Aca más texto\footnote{foot dos}
> >
> > \stopcolumns
> >
> > \section Notas
> >
> > \input tufte
> >
> >  }
>\stoptext
>
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Endnotes

[F. Miller Maley]

In the book I am working on, I would like to have substantial endnotes,
perhaps 10 to 20 pages of them.  The design I have in mind is to collect
all the endnotes in an appendix (actually an unnumbered backmatter chapter).
It should have separate sections called "Notes for Chapter 1", "Notes for
Chapter 2", or similar.  The note number should reset for each chapter,
and in the endnotes the note number should appear full-size rather than
in a small font.  Finally, for the interactive version of the book, the
endnotes should be coupled to their references in the text.

I can see how to get some of these features in ConTeXt, but not all.
Using \setupfootnotes[location=text,way=bychapter] and \placefootnotes,
I can get all the notes to appear together, but I don't know how to break
them up by chapter or reformat the number (\setupfootnotedefinition
[headstyle=...] wasn't helping?).  Moreover, it looks like the macros want
to collect them up in a giant \vbox, which might not scale too well.

Alternatively, the text block mechanism seems almost tailor-made for
this situation, except for one thing: I would like to couple the note,
which is naturally an enumeration, with the tiny little raised note number
in the text, which does not seem to be naturally an enumeration or
description (because it's in horizontal mode rather than vertical).
Maybe the coupling mechanism is general enough to do this; I don't know.

It wouldn't be overly hard (I hope) to do the coupling myself using ConTeXt's
reference commands, but I wonder if there is a better way.

-- Miller Maley

Endnotes

[Dan Seracu]

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Hello!

It maybe a stupid qestion, but it is a problem I am facing now:

I try to typeset a thesis, and I need endnotes (kind of bibliography) at the end of eatch section (or chapter when using parts). How can I do this?

Dan Seracu

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Re: Endnotes

[Hans Hagen]

At 08:21 AM 5/19/2000 +0300, Dan Seracu wrote:
>   Hello!   It maybe a stupid qestion, but it is a problem I am  facing
>now:   I try to typeset a thesis, and I need endnotes  (kind of
>bibliography) at the end of eatch section (or chapter when using  parts).
>How can I do this?   Dan Seracu  Attachment Converted:

You can disable footnote placement and call them up at the end. See english
beta chapter 'layout'. 

Hans

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Re: Endnotes

[Dan Seracu]

Hello!
> You can disable footnote placement and call them up at the end. See
english
> beta chapter 'layout'.
>
> Hans

I tried this, but the "problem" is that all the footnotes are typeset one
after another. So, how can I do to have them one under another? (clasical
endnotes, like bibliography).

Or, can I have a bibl. typeset at the end of each chapter?

Dan Seracu

Re: Endnotes

[Hans Hagen]

At 03:23 PM 5/19/2000 +0300, Dan Seracu wrote:

>I tried this, but the "problem" is that all the footnotes are typeset one
>after another. So, how can I do to have them one under another? (clasical
>endnotes, like bibliography).

\starttext

\setupfootnotes[way=bychapter,location=text]

\chapter{first}

A sentence \footnote {a note} A second sentence \footnote{a
second note} A last sentence \footnote {a last note}

\placefootnotes

\chapter{second}

A sentence \footnote{a note} A second sentence \footnote{a
second note} A last sentence \footnote{a last note}

\placefootnotes

\stoptext

Some day soon I'll make a \startchapter{...} \stopchapter so that commands
like endnote can be automated. 

Hans

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