* INstalling the context version of TeX distro. @ 2013-07-17 15:45 john Culleton 2013-07-17 15:54 ` Wolfgang Schuster ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: john Culleton @ 2013-07-17 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Normally I just use TeXlive as my TeX distro for Context as well as everything else. However I thought I would play with the Context version for educational purposes. It is perhaps more up to date than TeXlive 2013. I downloaded the zip file and unzipped it. Now what? Also I copied the zip file to my Windows partition (currently XP but I can up it to Win 7 if desirable for Context. I have both XP and Win 7 install disks.) Again I need install directions. If there is an up-to-date guide to this process just give me its name. Thanks in advance. -- John Culleton Wexford Press Free list of books for self-publishers: http://wexfordpress.net/shortlist.html PDF e-book: "Create Book Covers with Scribus" available at http://www.booklocker.com/books/4055.html ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: INstalling the context version of TeX distro. 2013-07-17 15:45 INstalling the context version of TeX distro john Culleton @ 2013-07-17 15:54 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2013-07-17 15:56 ` Marco Patzer 2013-07-17 16:00 ` Sietse Brouwer 2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2013-07-17 15:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 17.07.2013 um 17:45 schrieb john Culleton <John@wexfordpress.com>: > > Normally I just use TeXlive as my TeX distro for Context as well as > everything else. However I thought I would play with the Context > version for educational purposes. It is perhaps more up to date than > TeXlive 2013. > > I downloaded the zip file and unzipped it. Now what? > > Also I copied the zip file to my Windows partition (currently XP but > I can up it to Win 7 if desirable for Context. I have both XP and Win > 7 install disks.) Which zip file and where did you get it from? > Again I need install directions. If there is an up-to-date guide to > this process just give me its name. http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Standalone#Windows Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: INstalling the context version of TeX distro. 2013-07-17 15:45 INstalling the context version of TeX distro john Culleton 2013-07-17 15:54 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2013-07-17 15:56 ` Marco Patzer 2013-07-17 16:00 ` Sietse Brouwer 2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Marco Patzer @ 2013-07-17 15:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 412 bytes --] On 2013–07–17 john Culleton wrote: > I downloaded the zip file and unzipped it. Now what? Unzip it and run first-setup.bat If you don't mind about a few MiB of space, run first-setup.bat --modules=all --fonts=all > Again I need install directions. If there is an up-to-date guide to > this process just give me its name. http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Standalone Marco [-- Attachment #1.2: Digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 490 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: INstalling the context version of TeX distro. 2013-07-17 15:45 INstalling the context version of TeX distro john Culleton 2013-07-17 15:54 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2013-07-17 15:56 ` Marco Patzer @ 2013-07-17 16:00 ` Sietse Brouwer 2013-07-19 18:51 ` john Culleton 2 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Sietse Brouwer @ 2013-07-17 16:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hello John, Ah, I see everybody else has already linked you to http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Standalone#Windows I do apologize for the state of that page. Hans van der Meer sent me (well, he sent it to Hans Hagen and Hans H sent it to me) a much-improved draft of installation instructions, which I still haven't gotten around to putting on the wiki. I have to run out the door now, but I'll get round to it soon. Mentioning it here in order to remind myself. :-) Cheers, Sietse ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: INstalling the context version of TeX distro. 2013-07-17 16:00 ` Sietse Brouwer @ 2013-07-19 18:51 ` john Culleton 2013-07-19 19:16 ` Pablo Rodríguez 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: john Culleton @ 2013-07-19 18:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:00:06 +0200 Sietse Brouwer <sbbrouwer@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello John, > > Ah, I see everybody else has already linked you to > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Standalone#Windows > > I do apologize for the state of that page. Hans van der Meer sent me > (well, he sent it to Hans Hagen and Hans H sent it to me) a > much-improved draft of installation instructions, which I still > haven't gotten around to putting on the wiki. I have to run out the > door now, but I'll get round to it soon. Mentioning it here in order > to remind myself. :-) > > Cheers, > > Sietse > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an > entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : > http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : > http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : > http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ Slight problem. The standard install assumes that one can get to the internet from Windoze. I can't. WIn 7 refuses to talk to my obsolete linksys router and the Linksys software disk doesn't work with Win XP or Win 7. So is there a context zip that actually contains the software? Linux and my router is of course no problem. but I want to run Context on a windows partition. Do I need to run a TeXLive dvd disk instead? -- John Culleton Wexford Press Free list of books for self-publishers: http://wexfordpress.net/shortlist.html PDF e-book: "Create Book Covers with Scribus" available at http://www.booklocker.com/books/4055.html ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: INstalling the context version of TeX distro. 2013-07-19 18:51 ` john Culleton @ 2013-07-19 19:16 ` Pablo Rodríguez 2013-07-21 4:22 ` Can this layout be done in Context Russell Urquhart 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Pablo Rodríguez @ 2013-07-19 19:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 19/07/13 20:51, john Culleton wrote: > [...] > Slight problem. The standard install assumes that one can get to the > internet from Windoze. I can't. WIn 7 refuses to talk to my obsolete > linksys router and the Linksys software disk doesn't work with Win XP or > Win 7. So is there a context zip that actually contains the software? > > Linux and my router is of course no problem. but I want to run Context > on a windows partition. Hi John, it seems that you can do this in Linux: ./first-setup.sh --platform=mswin zip the results and move it to Windows. I’d read the original message to be found at http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2012/070179.html. Just in case it helps, Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Can this layout be done in Context 2013-07-19 19:16 ` Pablo Rodríguez @ 2013-07-21 4:22 ` Russell Urquhart 2013-07-22 6:19 ` David Rogers 2013-07-22 8:01 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Russell Urquhart @ 2013-07-21 4:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 250 bytes --] Hi, I have a jpg of an image of an oldish Zondervan NIV Bible page. I love the layout of this and would love to do similar layouts. Can the Context experts look at this and tell me if this sort of layout is reasonable, in Context? Thanks, Russ [-- Attachment #2: 639863_6_sam_3.jpg --] [-- Type: image/jpeg, Size: 61389 bytes --] [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Can this layout be done in Context 2013-07-21 4:22 ` Can this layout be done in Context Russell Urquhart @ 2013-07-22 6:19 ` David Rogers 2013-07-23 1:11 ` Russell Urquhart 2013-07-22 8:01 ` Wolfgang Schuster 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: David Rogers @ 2013-07-22 6:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Russell Urquhart <russurquhart1@verizon.net> writes: > Hi, > > I have a jpg of an image of an oldish Zondervan NIV Bible page. I love > the layout of this and would love to do similar layouts. Can the > Context experts look at this and tell me if this sort of layout is > reasonable, in Context? To summarize: A page header with page number and guide word (the guide word showing which chapter of which book of the Bible begins on this page), two columns of regular text, "margin notes" *for both columns* set in their own special single (very narrow) centre column, and footnotes in one single large column, which is permitted to take a lot of vertical space on the page when necessary, with all those areas of the page separated from each other by thin ruled lines. Correct? -- David R ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Can this layout be done in Context 2013-07-22 6:19 ` David Rogers @ 2013-07-23 1:11 ` Russell Urquhart 2013-07-23 19:47 ` David Rogers 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Russell Urquhart @ 2013-07-23 1:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 11:19:27PM -0700, David Rogers wrote: > To summarize: A page header with page number and guide word (the guide > word showing which chapter of which book of the Bible begins on this > page), two columns of regular text, "margin notes" *for both columns* > set in their own special single (very narrow) centre column, and > footnotes in one single large column, which is permitted to take a lot > of vertical space on the page when necessary, with all those areas of > the page separated from each other by thin ruled lines. Correct? I know that this example is probably a little extreme, but i love the layout of thise books, and while i may not want to be able to do something that has ALL of those layout attributes, i'd be curious as to what it would take on the Context side. thanks, Russ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Can this layout be done in Context 2013-07-23 1:11 ` Russell Urquhart @ 2013-07-23 19:47 ` David Rogers 2013-07-23 20:07 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: David Rogers @ 2013-07-23 19:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Russell Urquhart <russurquhart1@verizon.net> writes: > On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 11:19:27PM -0700, David Rogers wrote: >> To summarize: A page header with page number and guide word (the guide >> word showing which chapter of which book of the Bible begins on this >> page), two columns of regular text, "margin notes" *for both columns* >> set in their own special single (very narrow) centre column, and >> footnotes in one single large column, which is permitted to take a lot >> of vertical space on the page when necessary, with all those areas of >> the page separated from each other by thin ruled lines. Correct? > > I know that this example is probably a little extreme, but i love the > layout of thise books, and while i may not want to be able to do > something that has ALL of those layout attributes, i'd be curious as > to what it would take on the Context side. I don't think it's extreme - I just wanted to make sure we didn't miss any of what it contains. I think there would need to be a lot of typing inside of the Bible text itself (for example, needing to manually tag each and every chapter of each book of the Bible), to get the guide-words to display correctly - you definitely wouldn't be able to just book-end the Bible with some code at the beginning and end. I don't know how easy it is to get margin notes from two different text columns to combine into one margin column. The rest of it seems not very challenging from a ConTeXt point of view - footnotes are quite well-supported (though again for both the footnotes and the margin notes there would be considerable hand-work adding the commands for every single note, to make them appear in the right places); and the physical layout of the page is not difficult in itself. The benefit of all that typing, if done with the right kind of planning in mind, would be that later you'd easily be able to change the page size, amount of white space, fonts and font sizes, etc. The disadvantage would be that you would no longer have the "clean, plain" text of the Bible in your ConTeXt file; it would be permanently littered with commands and switches, so it would be much harder to check your textual accuracy. Therefore you would want to be quite sure you have exactly the Bible version you want, with all the spelling corrected and verses and paragraphs the way they ought to be and so on, before you begin your ConTeXt adventure. -- David R ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Can this layout be done in Context 2013-07-23 19:47 ` David Rogers @ 2013-07-23 20:07 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2013-07-23 20:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 7/23/2013 9:47 PM, David Rogers wrote: > Russell Urquhart <russurquhart1@verizon.net> writes: > >> On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 11:19:27PM -0700, David Rogers wrote: >>> To summarize: A page header with page number and guide word (the guide >>> word showing which chapter of which book of the Bible begins on this >>> page), two columns of regular text, "margin notes" *for both columns* >>> set in their own special single (very narrow) centre column, and >>> footnotes in one single large column, which is permitted to take a lot >>> of vertical space on the page when necessary, with all those areas of >>> the page separated from each other by thin ruled lines. Correct? >> >> I know that this example is probably a little extreme, but i love the >> layout of thise books, and while i may not want to be able to do >> something that has ALL of those layout attributes, i'd be curious as >> to what it would take on the Context side. > > > I don't think it's extreme - I just wanted to make sure we didn't miss > any of what it contains. > > I think there would need to be a lot of typing inside of the Bible text > itself (for example, needing to manually tag each and every chapter of > each book of the Bible), to get the guide-words to display correctly - > you definitely wouldn't be able to just book-end the Bible with some > code at the beginning and end. I don't know how easy it is to get margin > notes from two different text columns to combine into one margin > column. The rest of it seems not very challenging from a ConTeXt point > of view - footnotes are quite well-supported (though again for both the > footnotes and the margin notes there would be considerable hand-work > adding the commands for every single note, to make them appear in the > right places); and the physical layout of the page is not difficult in > itself. critical editions is one area where extensions can be expected in context > The benefit of all that typing, if done with the right kind of planning > in mind, would be that later you'd easily be able to change the page > size, amount of white space, fonts and font sizes, etc. > > The disadvantage would be that you would no longer have the "clean, > plain" text of the Bible in your ConTeXt file; it would be permanently > littered with commands and switches, so it would be much harder to check > your textual accuracy. Therefore you would want to be quite sure you > have exactly the Bible version you want, with all the spelling corrected > and verses and paragraphs the way they ought to be and so on, before you > begin your ConTeXt adventure. as long as you use enough structure it's ok and you can write checkers (often xml is a good choice too) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Can this layout be done in Context 2013-07-21 4:22 ` Can this layout be done in Context Russell Urquhart 2013-07-22 6:19 ` David Rogers @ 2013-07-22 8:01 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2013-07-23 1:17 ` Russell Urquhart 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2013-07-22 8:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 21.07.2013 um 06:22 schrieb Russell Urquhart <russurquhart1@verizon.net>: > Hi, > > I have a jpg of an image of an oldish Zondervan NIV Bible page. I love the layout of this and would love to do similar layouts. Can the Context experts look at this and tell me if this sort of layout is reasonable, in Context? The layout should be possible but one has to write some extra code to simplify the input of the text, notes etc. Before this code is written some specs about the text between the columns and in the footnote area are needed. PS. Don’t create a new thread by replying to a older one (which you did now twice) and changing the subject. Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Can this layout be done in Context 2013-07-22 8:01 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2013-07-23 1:17 ` Russell Urquhart 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Russell Urquhart @ 2013-07-23 1:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:01:17AM +0200, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > > The layout should be possible but one has to write some extra code to simplify the input of the text, notes etc. That's is kind of what i was expecting, but it good to get a sense that this is not totally out of the realm. > PS. Don’t create a new thread by replying to a older one (which you did now twice) and changing the subject. > Sorry about that. Mea culpa. I'll really try to not let that happen again! Thanks, Russ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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