bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

[Yue Wang]

hi:

it seems that mpfigure will be in the wrong position using the xetex engine.
here is the  sample file:

% engine=xetex

\starttext

\setupcolors
  [state=start]

\startMPpage
  path p ; color c[] ;
  p := fullsquare scaled 4cm ;
  c[0] := transparent(1,.5,red) ;
  c[1] := transparent(1,.5,green) ;
  c[2] := transparent(1,.5,blue) ;
  for i = 0 upto 2 :
    fill p rotated (i*30) withcolor white ;
  endfor ;
  for i = 0 upto 2 :
    fill p rotated (i*30) withcolor c[i] ;
  endfor ;
  addbackground withcolor transparent(1,.5,cmyk(0,0,1,0)) ;
\stopMPpage

\stoptext


Yue Wang
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Re: bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 26.11.2008 um 10:04 schrieb Yue Wang:

> hi:
>
> it seems that mpfigure will be in the wrong position using the xetex  
> engine.
> here is the  sample file:
>
> % engine=xetex
>
> \starttext
>
> \setupcolors
>  [state=start]
>
> \startMPpage
>  path p ; color c[] ;
>  p := fullsquare scaled 4cm ;
>  c[0] := transparent(1,.5,red) ;
>  c[1] := transparent(1,.5,green) ;
>  c[2] := transparent(1,.5,blue) ;
>  for i = 0 upto 2 :
>    fill p rotated (i*30) withcolor white ;
>  endfor ;
>  for i = 0 upto 2 :
>    fill p rotated (i*30) withcolor c[i] ;
>  endfor ;
>  addbackground withcolor transparent(1,.5,cmyk(0,0,1,0)) ;
> \stopMPpage
>
> \stoptext

Make a entry in the bug tracker or it will be fogotten,
I had a similiar problem quite some time ago:

http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080812.085450.3b06d189.en.html

Wolfgang

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Re: bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

[vafa]

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ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX.

I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt has heaps of bugs.


LaTeX rocks...!
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Re: bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

[luigi scarso]

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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, <vafa@aol.com.au> wrote:

> ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX.

yes, true.
Also
LaTeX peaple always have used to say that LaTeX is better than ConTeXt
is true


>
> I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt
> has heaps of bugs.
>

There are some bugs.


>
> LaTeX rocks...!

true, if you are from LaTeX peaple.

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Re: bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

[Marcin Borkowski]

Dnia Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:38:59AM +0100, luigi scarso napisał(a):
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, <vafa@aol.com.au> wrote:
> 
> > ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX.
> 
> yes, true.

Not entirely (see below).

> Also
> LaTeX peaple always have used to say that LaTeX is better than ConTeXt
> is true
> 
> 
> >
> > I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt
> > has heaps of bugs.
> >
> 
> There are some bugs.

As in most software projects.  And, that;s true, there _are_ lots of
bugs in ConTeXt.  But still, it is very usable.

> 
> 
> >
> > LaTeX rocks...!
> 
> true, if you are from LaTeX peaple.

Well, I've been using LaTeX for several years and I don't think it to be
really rocking.  And neither is ConTeXt (yet) - see below.

And the question is: why to start yet another flame war?

I am the proof (by example) that the sets of plain TeX people, LaTeX
people and ConTeXt people have a nonempty intersection.  There are areas
where LaTeX is much better than ConTeXt: when I write a paper on maths,
almost no journal will accept ConTeXt.  Also, LaTeX is very stable and
ConTeXt is not.  OTOH, when ConTeXt reaches the maturity level of LaTeX,
it _will_ be much better - but we'll have to wait a while for it to
happen.

Greets

-- 
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Emacs: Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift.
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Re: bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

[luigi scarso]

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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Marcin Borkowski <
mbork@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl> wrote:

> Dnia Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:38:59AM +0100, luigi scarso napisa&#322;(a):
> > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, <vafa@aol.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > > ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than
> LaTeX.
> >
> > yes, true.
>
> Not entirely (see below).
>
please, note:
not **all** context peaple (whatever peaple means!)
have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX,
but **some** context peaple (I, for example, assuming peaple == people )
You are a counter example .
So the statement is  ** entirely true **.


>
> > Also
> > LaTeX peaple always have used to say that LaTeX is better than ConTeXt
> > is true
> >
>
yes, as before

>
> >
> > >
> > > I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that
> ConTeXt
> > > has heaps of bugs.
> > >
> >
> > There are some bugs.
>
> As in most software projects.  And, that;s true, there _are_ lots of
> bugs in ConTeXt.  But still, it is very usable.
>
"lots  of bug" and "still very usable"
are contradictory statemens .


> >
> >
> > >
> > > LaTeX rocks...!
> >
> > true, if you are from LaTeX peaple.
>

see before .

>
>


>
> --
> Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl)
>
> Emacs: Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift.
>
true . ** entirely true **.


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Re: bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

[Marcin Borkowski]

Dnia Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:09:08AM +0100, luigi scarso napisał(a):
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Marcin Borkowski <
> mbork@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl> wrote:
> 
> > Dnia Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:38:59AM +0100, luigi scarso napisa&#322;(a):
> > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, <vafa@aol.com.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > > ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than
> > LaTeX.
> > >
> > > yes, true.
> >
> > Not entirely (see below).
> >
> please, note:
> not **all** context peaple (whatever peaple means!)
> have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX,
> but **some** context peaple (I, for example, assuming peaple == people )
> You are a counter example .
> So the statement is  ** entirely true **.

ok, I give up;)

> 
> 
> >
> > > Also
> > > LaTeX peaple always have used to say that LaTeX is better than ConTeXt
> > > is true
> > >
> >
> yes, as before
> 
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that
> > ConTeXt
> > > > has heaps of bugs.
> > > >
> > >
> > > There are some bugs.
> >
> > As in most software projects.  And, that;s true, there _are_ lots of
> > bugs in ConTeXt.  But still, it is very usable.
> >
> "lots  of bug" and "still very usable"
> are contradictory statemens .

No.  Most popular case: M$ Windows (although personally I'll argue about
their "usability";)).

The point is that ConTeXt bugs do not crash it in usual scenarios, but
rather when some complex interactions are involved.  So usually
everything is fine, _unless_ you want something strange.  And then -
well, _strange_ things do happen.

> 
> 
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > LaTeX rocks...!
> > >
> > > true, if you are from LaTeX peaple.
> >
> 
> see before .
> 
> >
> >
> 
> 
> >
> > --
> > Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl)
> >
> > Emacs: Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift.
> >
> true . ** entirely true **.

Glad you like it.  (Personally, I use both emacs and vim.  Really.)

BTW: do you know what "vim" means?  It is an old African word meaning
"how do you quit this f#####g s##t?"

Greets

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Re: bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

[Aditya Mahajan]

Not in a mood to be involved in a latex-context flame today, but emacs-vim 
flame is another story :-)

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008, Marcin Borkowski wrote:
>>> Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl)
>>>
>>> Emacs: Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift.
>>>
>> true . ** entirely true **.
>
> Glad you like it.  (Personally, I use both emacs and vim.  Really.)
>
> BTW: do you know what "vim" means?  It is an old African word meaning
> "how do you quit this f#####g s##t?"

Maybe, that is why vim's "splash screen" gives information on how to quit 
it.

Aditya
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Re: bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

[luigi scarso]

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On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> wrote:

> Not in a mood to be involved in a latex-context flame today, but emacs-vim
> flame is another story :-)
>
> On Wed, 26 Nov 2008, Marcin Borkowski wrote:
> >>> Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl)
> >>>
> >>> Emacs: Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift.
> >>>
> >> true . ** entirely true **.
> >
> > Glad you like it.  (Personally, I use both emacs and vim.  Really.)
> >
> > BTW: do you know what "vim" means?  It is an old African word meaning
> > "how do you quit this f#####g s##t?"
>
> Maybe, that is why vim's "splash screen" gives information on how to quit
> it.
>
emacs will save the world, with a little help from his friend vim



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Re: bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

[Yue Wang]

Hi:


Please, shut up and code: we need to fix these bugs first!


Yue Wang



On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Marcin Borkowski
<mbork@atos.wmid.amu.edu.pl> wrote:
> Dnia Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:38:59AM +0100, luigi scarso napisa&#322;(a):
>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM, <vafa@aol.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> > ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX.
>>
>> yes, true.
>
> Not entirely (see below).
>
>> Also
>> LaTeX peaple always have used to say that LaTeX is better than ConTeXt
>> is true
>>
>>
>> >
>> > I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt
>> > has heaps of bugs.
>> >
>>
>> There are some bugs.
>
> As in most software projects.  And, that;s true, there _are_ lots of
> bugs in ConTeXt.  But still, it is very usable.
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > LaTeX rocks...!
>>
>> true, if you are from LaTeX peaple.
>
> Well, I've been using LaTeX for several years and I don't think it to be
> really rocking.  And neither is ConTeXt (yet) - see below.
>
> And the question is: why to start yet another flame war?
>
> I am the proof (by example) that the sets of plain TeX people, LaTeX
> people and ConTeXt people have a nonempty intersection.  There are areas
> where LaTeX is much better than ConTeXt: when I write a paper on maths,
> almost no journal will accept ConTeXt.  Also, LaTeX is very stable and
> ConTeXt is not.  OTOH, when ConTeXt reaches the maturity level of LaTeX,
> it _will_ be much better - but we'll have to wait a while for it to
> happen.
>
> Greets
>
> --
> Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.pl)
>
> Emacs: Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift.
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Re: bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

[luigi scarso]

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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Yue Wang <yuleopen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi:
>
>
> Please, shut up and code: we need to fix these bugs first!
>

For statistical reasons,
we need some amount of flare wars and off-topics

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Re: bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:28 AM,  <vafa@aol.com.au> wrote:
> ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX.
>
> I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt has
> heaps of bugs.
>
> LaTeX rocks...!

"Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new."
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Re: bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

[Marcin Borkowski]

Dnia Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 04:28:35AM -0500, vafa@aol.com.au napisał(a):
> ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX.
> 
> I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt has heaps of bugs.
> 
> 
> LaTeX rocks...!

Sorry, but I just can't resist a joke: what you call a "bug" in ConTeXt
world is called a "feature" in LaTeX.

And to be more serious:  I think I was rather fair in my previous post
on the difference between (plain) TeX and ConTeXt.

Also, LaTeX is "frozen" in some sense: the latest news on the LaTeX
project site comes from 2005, IIRC.  So the LaTeX "core" (or "kernel")
is very stable (and, one has to admit, has very few bugs - and very
limited features...).  And LaTeX packages are quite a jungle.  But
still: there are lots of them which are very stable (or frozen), and
some which are under constant development (pgf, for instance).

Also, LaTeX documents are (usually) much simpler than ConTeXt documents,
so it is much easier to have few bugs - there is less room for complex
interactions (aside from package clashes, which happen from time to
time).

So if you want a stable document preparation and markup system with a
large userbase, though sometimes limited functionality (try to do a
two-column enumerate in LaTeX automatically, something like:
1) ...    3) ...
2) ...    4) ...
without resorting to general multicolumn hackery - and the multicol
package, which is not entirely free!), then yes, LaTeX is better.  And
if you want some features _not_ present in LaTeX or you need to typeset
_really_ complex documents (complex in terms of layout, for example), or
your documents are not scientific papers then ConTeXt is probably better.

Greets

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Re: bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

[Yue Wang]

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:28 PM,  <vafa@aol.com.au> wrote:
> ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX.
>
> I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt has
> heaps of bugs.
>

Staying at an older version of ConTeXt (for example, I always use
ConTeXt 2005.01 distributed in teTeX 3.0 for book and journal
production) will have less bugs. And if bugs were found in these
versions, they were always already been fixed some month after this
release, so just copy the related code in the later versions to your
tex file and then everything works fine again.
(in fact, I found no serious bugs in that version).

>
> LaTeX rocks...!

Latex always run into problems here. hyperlink sometimes give me weird
characters (it will always give wierd characters if the link contains
CJK characters due to the bug in hyperref, whatever driver and engine
you are using).
packages are incompatible with each other and always runs into problem
(I should keep in mind that package A should loaded before package B,
and package A-fix should be place after package B to fix the
incompatibility in package A and B, most packages have this problem,
just to name a few:  memoir, hyperref, amsmath, lucidabr, mnsymbol...
).
And I cannot do grid typesetting or other advanced stuffs there.

In fact, Plain TeX rocks! If you find bug in plain TeX, you can be
famous overnight!
(and I also love Karl Berry's eplain format, it's lightweight and powerful.)

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Re: bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

[Hans Hagen]

vafa@aol.com.au wrote:
> ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX.
> 
> I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt 
> has heaps of bugs.

?

for sure the luatex/mkiv (not to be confused with pdftex/mkii) pair has 
heaps of bugs (which are solved at some point) but it's just because we 
move on and because users here are willing to experiment with new stuff

> LaTeX rocks...!

then you're on the wrong list -)

Hans


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Re: bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

[vafa]

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 I am on the wrong list because I just said ``LaTeX rocks''?

I would like to apologise you and anyone else from the bottom of my heart if I have offended you and others, but honestly I did not mean it.

I am just on this list because I want to study ConText (its TeX programming) more deeply.


 


 

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vafa@aol.com.au wrote:
> ConTeXt peaple always have used to say that ConTeXt is better than LaTeX.
> 
> I have been recieving emails from CoNTeXt list and it seems that ConTeXt 
> has heaps of bugs.

?

for sure the luatex/mkiv (not to be confused with pdftex/mkii) pair has 
heaps of bugs (which are solved at some point) but it's just because we 
move on and because users here are willing to experiment with new stuff

> LaTeX rocks...!

then you're on the wrong list -)

Hans


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Re: bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008, vafa@aol.com.au wrote:

>
> I am on the wrong list because I just said ``LaTeX rocks''?

There was a smiley at the end of that comment!

> I would like to apologise you and anyone else from the bottom of my heart if I have offended you and others, but honestly I did not mean it.

Relax. There is no need to apologize. I am sure that no one was
offended, but they do not share your view.

> I am just on this list because I want to study ConText (its TeX programming) more deeply.

Aditya
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Re: bug in mkii xetex: mp figure is not in the right position

[Yue Wang]

moreover, setupinteraction[state=start, focus=normal] and \goto will
always point to the wrong position in xetex.

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Wolfgang Schuster
<schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Am 26.11.2008 um 10:04 schrieb Yue Wang:
>
>> hi:
>>
>> it seems that mpfigure will be in the wrong position using the xetex
>> engine.
>> here is the  sample file:
>>
>> % engine=xetex
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \setupcolors
>>  [state=start]
>>
>> \startMPpage
>>  path p ; color c[] ;
>>  p := fullsquare scaled 4cm ;
>>  c[0] := transparent(1,.5,red) ;
>>  c[1] := transparent(1,.5,green) ;
>>  c[2] := transparent(1,.5,blue) ;
>>  for i = 0 upto 2 :
>>    fill p rotated (i*30) withcolor white ;
>>  endfor ;
>>  for i = 0 upto 2 :
>>    fill p rotated (i*30) withcolor c[i] ;
>>  endfor ;
>>  addbackground withcolor transparent(1,.5,cmyk(0,0,1,0)) ;
>> \stopMPpage
>>
>> \stoptext
>
> Make a entry in the bug tracker or it will be fogotten,
> I had a similiar problem quite some time ago:
>
> http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080812.085450.3b06d189.en.html
>
> Wolfgang
>
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