From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/68650 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Thomas A. Schmitz" Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: OT: What reference management software do you use? Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 23:47:56 +0200 Message-ID: References: <1305980383.12054.18.camel@mattotaupa> <20110522215530.178269m0py25pfzm@webmail.unibas.ch> <20110522201434.GA20853@innsmouth.lan> <4DDAC76E.5060008@gmx.de> <5E91BCE6-9B40-4E7E-925D-513E33A833F1@uni-bonn.de> <4DDACEF6.2060803@gmx.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1306187304 32449 80.91.229.12 (23 May 2011 21:48:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 21:48:24 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon May 23 23:48:20 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QOcz6-0002J7-04 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 May 2011 23:48:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800D4CAD67; Mon, 23 May 2011 23:48:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id VXGoNAtoLKkb; Mon, 23 May 2011 23:48:17 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2860CAD63; Mon, 23 May 2011 23:48:16 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7395CAD62 for ; Mon, 23 May 2011 23:48:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id jwaxQhQT9EEp for ; Mon, 23 May 2011 23:48:14 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter1-nij.mf.surf.net (filter1-nij.mf.surf.net [195.169.124.152]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DB6CAD63 for ; Mon, 23 May 2011 23:48:13 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from uni-bonn.de (mail.uni-bonn.de [131.220.15.113]) by filter1-nij.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id p4NLmDXK028756 for ; Mon, 23 May 2011 23:48:13 +0200 Original-Received: from [87.178.44.177] (account tschmit1@uni-bonn.de HELO [192.168.0.3]) by fe2.uni-bonn.de (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.12) with ESMTPA id 62226912 for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Mon, 23 May 2011 23:48:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=131.220.15.113; country=DE; region=07; city=Bonn; latitude=50.7333; longitude=7.1000; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=50.7333,7.1000&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 07EL9MdIS - c244d2c907bb - 20110523 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 195.169.124.152 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:68650 Archived-At: On May 23, 2011, at 11:32 PM, John Haltiwanger wrote: > I hope my question does not come off as too aggressive, but why on earth = are we still using BibTeX? Or, more accurately, when can we _stop_ using Bi= bTeX and move onto something that has native UTF-8 support and can also int= egrate with a reasonable configuration environment such as CSL? > = > What is the next step for bibliographies in Context? Surely we won't be c= hained to BibTeX (which has seemingly been largely been in practice for the= sake of BibLaTeX) forever? You do sound a bit impatient, but the answer is: bibtex is a beast, but bib= liographies is such an endless topic, there are so many permutations and po= ssibilities and options that "replacing bibtex" is easier said than done. b= ibtex gets the job done, most of the time, and I've always heard that there= will be a "next big thing which will replace bibtex," but it never quite h= appened. zotero's approach (a completely untransparent, complex and hence f= ragile sql database) is a lot worse than bibtex. = As to the question "why strings": Pontus's answer named one important aspec= t. I have several .bib files which contain nothing but string definitions: = one with abbreviated, one with full journal titles; one with English string= s ("reprint," "Munich") and one with the German equivalent ("Nachdruck," "M= =FCnchen"). Including the right file(s) will then provide the desired outpu= t. Thomas ___________________________________________________________________________= ________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-cont= ext webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________= ________