paragraphs in columns query

paragraphs in columns query

[Alan Bowen]

I have set two paragraphs side by side using

\defineparagraphs[TwoColumns] 
[n=2,tolerance=verytolerant,before={\blank},after={\blank}]
\setupparagraphs[TwoColumns][distance=1pc]

One of the columns is the length of the page. How do I prevent the two  
columns from starting a new page? Right now there is a large  
whitespace on the preceding page. (This problem has been raised  
before, but I have not yet found the answer.)

Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

Alan

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Re: paragraphs in columns query

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Alan Bowen <acbowen@princeton.edu> wrote:
> I have set two paragraphs side by side using
>
> \defineparagraphs[TwoColumns]
> [n=2,tolerance=verytolerant,before={\blank},after={\blank}]
> \setupparagraphs[TwoColumns][distance=1pc]
>
> One of the columns is the length of the page. How do I prevent the two
> columns from starting a new page? Right now there is a large
> whitespace on the preceding page. (This problem has been raised
> before, but I have not yet found the answer.)
>
> Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

Use tabulate.

\definetabulate[twocolumns][|p|p|]

\setuptabulate
  [twocolumns]
  [inner=\setquicktabulate\twocolumns,
   distance=1pc,
   split=yes]

\starttext

\input knuth

\starttwocolumns

\twocolumns

\dorecurse{3}{\input zapf\par}

\\

\dorecurse{4}{\input ward\par}

\\

\stoptwocolumns

\stoptext

Wolfgang
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Re: paragraphs in columns query

[Hans Hagen]

Alan Bowen wrote:
> I have set two paragraphs side by side using
> 
> \defineparagraphs[TwoColumns] 
> [n=2,tolerance=verytolerant,before={\blank},after={\blank}]
> \setupparagraphs[TwoColumns][distance=1pc]
> 
> One of the columns is the length of the page. How do I prevent the two  
> columns from starting a new page? Right now there is a large  
> whitespace on the preceding page. (This problem has been raised  
> before, but I have not yet found the answer.)
> 
> Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

use \starttabulate ... instead


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Re: paragraphs in columns query

[Alan Bowen]

Thanks, Hans. I have now tried

... preliminary text ....
\starttabulate[|p|p|]
\NC
long paragraph A
\NC
long paragraph B	
\NC\NR
\stoptabulate

on my setup (ConTeXt 2008.08.04 MK II) and on the wiki (ConTeXt  
2008.08.27 MK II).

On the wiki:
the  tabulated paragraphs do not follow upon the preliminary text  
immediately on the same page but start on their own page.

On my setup:
the  tabulated paragraphs do not follow upon the preliminary text  
immediately on the same page but start on their own page after some 22  
blank pages! (If I run ConTeXt again this number increases.) The  
entire document should be 6 pages long.

I am trying to update any version of ConTeXt---updates after  
2008.08.04 will not compile for some reason (I get format mismatch  
errors). So for now, if I could get this to work on the wiki that  
would be progress of sorts.

Alan

On Aug 27, 2008, at 07;33,00 , Hans Hagen wrote:

> Alan Bowen wrote:
>> I have set two paragraphs side by side using
>>
>> \defineparagraphs[TwoColumns]
>> [n=2,tolerance=verytolerant,before={\blank},after={\blank}]
>> \setupparagraphs[TwoColumns][distance=1pc]
>>
>> One of the columns is the length of the page. How do I prevent the  
>> two
>> columns from starting a new page? Right now there is a large
>> whitespace on the preceding page. (This problem has been raised
>> before, but I have not yet found the answer.)
>>
>> Any suggestions will be gratefully received.
>
> use \starttabulate ... instead
>
>
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Re: paragraphs in columns query

[Hans Hagen]

Alan Bowen wrote:
> Thanks, Hans. I have now tried
> 
> .... preliminary text ....
> \starttabulate[|p|p|]
> \NC
> long paragraph A
> \NC
> long paragraph B	
> \NC\NR
> \stoptabulate
> 
> on my setup (ConTeXt 2008.08.04 MK II) and on the wiki (ConTeXt  
> 2008.08.27 MK II).
> 
> On the wiki:
> the  tabulated paragraphs do not follow upon the preliminary text  
> immediately on the same page but start on their own page.

in that case we need a complete test file


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Re: paragraphs in columns query

[Alan Bowen]

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Hans—

Here is the text that produces the problem on the wiki (pdfTeX/MKII  
option).

\starttext
adeo aberratum est, ut C. Caesar pontifex maximus suo III et M.\  
Aemilii Lepidi consulatu, quo retro delictum corrigeret, duos menses  
intercalarios dierum LXVII in mensem Novembrem et Decembrem  
interponeret, cum iam mense Februario dies III et XX intercalasset,  
faceretque eum annum dierum CCCCXLV, simul providens in futurum, ne  
iterum erraretur: nam intercalario mense sublato annum civilem ad  
solis cursum formavit. Itaque diebus CCCLV addidit decem, quos per  
septem menses, qui dies undetricenos habebant, ita discriberet, ut  
Januario et Sextili et Decembri bini accederent, ceteris singuli;  
eosque dies extremis partibus mensium adposuit, ne scilicet religiones  
sui cuiusque mensis a loco summoverentur. Quapropter nunc cum in  
septem mensibus dies singuli et triceni sint, quattuor tamen illi ita  
primitus instituti eo dinoscuntur, quod nonas habent septimanas,  
ceteri tres omnes alii reliqui quintanas.~[{\em De die nat}.\ 20.8||10]
\starttabulate[|p|p|]
\NC
\noindent Things had deviated so much that Gaius Caesar, as \hbox{\em  
pontifex} {\em maximus} in his third consulship and that of M.\  
Aemilius Lepi\-dus, in order to correct the past mistake, inserted  
between the months of November and December two intercalary months of  
67 days, since he had already intercalated 23 days in the month of  
February, and made that a year of 445 days, at the same time taking  
care that the mistake would not be repeated in future; for with the  
intercalary month done away with, he shaped the civil year to the  
course of the sun. And so to the 355 days he added 10, which he  
distributed through the seven months which had 29 days as follows: two  
days were added to January, Sextilis, and December, and one to the  
others; and he placed these days at the ends of the months, evidently  
so that the religious ceremonies of each month might not be moved from  
their place. Therefore now, although there are 31 days in seven  
months, nevertheless four are distinguished by this feature of the  
original tradition, that they have the Nones on the seventh day, while  
the other three remaining ones have them on the fifth.
\NC
\noindent Things got so bad that Julius Caesar, when he was {\em  
pontifex max\-imus}, during his third consulship, which he shared with  
M.\ Aemilius Lepidus, in order to correct the accumlated errors, had  
to insert two intercalary months with a total of 67 days between  
November and December, even though he had already made the usual  
addition of 23 days in February, adding up to a total of 445 days for  
that year. At the same time he made sure that the problem would not  
return in the future, for he removed the additional month from the  
calendar and made the civil year conform to the course of the sun. He  
added 10 days to the old 355, dividing them up among the seven months  
that had 29 days. January, Sextilis [August], and December got two,  
the others (April, June, September, November) got one. He added these  
days at the end of each month, so that the religious festivals would  
not be moved from their usual places in the month. That is why to this  
day we have seven months with 31 days, but we can recognize the four  
which were set up in the ancient system by the fact they have the  
Nones on the seventh day, but the other three long months and all the  
short months have them on the fifth. [Parker, 47]	
\NC\NR
\stoptabulate

Of late my own approach to translation has been consciously to seek to  
replicate the sentence structures of the original Latin or Greek,  
however long or compressed or contorted they may seem to our English  
eyes. The often awkward structures of the original are a window into  
the minds and mental processes of the ancient (and let us not forget,  
foreign) writers. Thucydides and Tacitus, for instance, are not  
particularly easy \quote{reads} in the original, and I personally  
prefer to allow modern readers to gain a sense of the sometimes  
difficult structures that they use but which most modern translations  
attempt to smooth out into something more accessible to our ways of  
thinking and reading. The more we read like them, I tell myself, the  
more we may think like them and so ultimately appreciate how they saw  
the world around them. In a world where most of our students in  
Classics are devoid of Latin and Greek, exposure to the ancient modes  
of thought and expression increases in importance.

\stoptext

You will see that the columns “play nice” with text that follows, but  
not with text that precedes.

Alan
On Aug 27, 2008, at 13;06,01 , Hans Hagen wrote:

> Alan Bowen wrote:
>> Thanks, Hans. I have now tried
>>
>> .... preliminary text ....
>> \starttabulate[|p|p|]
>> \NC
>> long paragraph A
>> \NC
>> long paragraph B	
>> \NC\NR
>> \stoptabulate
>>
>> on my setup (ConTeXt 2008.08.04 MK II) and on the wiki (ConTeXt
>> 2008.08.27 MK II).
>>
>> On the wiki:
>> the  tabulated paragraphs do not follow upon the preliminary text
>> immediately on the same page but start on their own page.
>
> in that case we need a complete test file
>
>
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Re: paragraphs in columns query

[Alan Bowen]

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It has been more than 15 hours since I last sent this , so I am trying  
again. Apologies for any duplication. A.

**************************

Hans—

Here is the text that produces the problem on the wiki (pdfTeX/MKII  
option).

\starttext
adeo aberratum est, ut C. Caesar pontifex maximus suo III et M.\  
Aemilii Lepidi consulatu, quo retro delictum corrigeret, duos menses  
intercalarios dierum LXVII in mensem Novembrem et Decembrem  
interponeret, cum iam mense Februario dies III et XX intercalasset,  
faceretque eum annum dierum CCCCXLV, simul providens in futurum, ne  
iterum erraretur: nam intercalario mense sublato annum civilem ad  
solis cursum formavit. Itaque diebus CCCLV addidit decem, quos per  
septem menses, qui dies undetricenos habebant, ita discriberet, ut  
Januario et Sextili et Decembri bini accederent, ceteris singuli;  
eosque dies extremis partibus mensium adposuit, ne scilicet religiones  
sui cuiusque mensis a loco summoverentur. Quapropter nunc cum in  
septem mensibus dies singuli et triceni sint, quattuor tamen illi ita  
primitus instituti eo dinoscuntur, quod nonas habent septimanas,  
ceteri tres omnes alii reliqui quintanas.~[{\em De die nat}.\ 20.8||10]
\starttabulate[|p|p|]
\NC
\noindent Things had deviated so much that Gaius Caesar, as \hbox{\em  
pontifex} {\em maximus} in his third consulship and that of M.\  
Aemilius Lepi\-dus, in order to correct the past mistake, inserted  
between the months of November and December two intercalary months of  
67 days, since he had already intercalated 23 days in the month of  
February, and made that a year of 445 days, at the same time taking  
care that the mistake would not be repeated in future; for with the  
intercalary month done away with, he shaped the civil year to the  
course of the sun. And so to the 355 days he added 10, which he  
distributed through the seven months which had 29 days as follows: two  
days were added to January, Sextilis, and December, and one to the  
others; and he placed these days at the ends of the months, evidently  
so that the religious ceremonies of each month might not be moved from  
their place. Therefore now, although there are 31 days in seven  
months, nevertheless four are distinguished by this feature of the  
original tradition, that they have the Nones on the seventh day, while  
the other three remaining ones have them on the fifth.
\NC
\noindent Things got so bad that Julius Caesar, when he was {\em  
pontifex max\-imus}, during his third consulship, which he shared with  
M.\ Aemilius Lepidus, in order to correct the accumlated errors, had  
to insert two intercalary months with a total of 67 days between  
November and December, even though he had already made the usual  
addition of 23 days in February, adding up to a total of 445 days for  
that year. At the same time he made sure that the problem would not  
return in the future, for he removed the additional month from the  
calendar and made the civil year conform to the course of the sun. He  
added 10 days to the old 355, dividing them up among the seven months  
that had 29 days. January, Sextilis [August], and December got two,  
the others (April, June, September, November) got one. He added these  
days at the end of each month, so that the religious festivals would  
not be moved from their usual places in the month. That is why to this  
day we have seven months with 31 days, but we can recognize the four  
which were set up in the ancient system by the fact they have the  
Nones on the seventh day, but the other three long months and all the  
short months have them on the fifth. [Parker, 47]	
\NC\NR
\stoptabulate

Of late my own approach to translation has been consciously to seek to  
replicate the sentence structures of the original Latin or Greek,  
however long or compressed or contorted they may seem to our English  
eyes. The often awkward structures of the original are a window into  
the minds and mental processes of the ancient (and let us not forget,  
foreign) writers. Thucydides and Tacitus, for instance, are not  
particularly easy \quote{reads} in the original, and I personally  
prefer to allow modern readers to gain a sense of the sometimes  
difficult structures that they use but which most modern translations  
attempt to smooth out into something more accessible to our ways of  
thinking and reading. The more we read like them, I tell myself, the  
more we may think like them and so ultimately appreciate how they saw  
the world around them. In a world where most of our students in  
Classics are devoid of Latin and Greek, exposure to the ancient modes  
of thought and expression increases in importance.

\stoptext

You will see that the columns “play nice” with text that follows, but  
not with text that precedes.

Alan
On Aug 27, 2008, at 13;06,01 , Hans Hagen wrote:

> Alan Bowen wrote:
>> Thanks, Hans. I have now tried
>>
>> .... preliminary text ....
>> \starttabulate[|p|p|]
>> \NC
>> long paragraph A
>> \NC
>> long paragraph B	
>> \NC\NR
>> \stoptabulate
>>
>> on my setup (ConTeXt 2008.08.04 MK II) and on the wiki (ConTeXt
>> 2008.08.27 MK II).
>>
>> On the wiki:
>> the  tabulated paragraphs do not follow upon the preliminary text
>> immediately on the same page but start on their own page.
>
> in that case we need a complete test file
>
>
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Re: paragraphs in columns query

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Alan Bowen <acbowen@princeton.edu> wrote:
> It has been more than 15 hours since I last sent this , so I am trying
> again. Apologies for any duplication. A.

Read my other mail, I already gave you a working solution!

Wolfgang
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Re: paragraphs in columns query

[Hans Hagen]

Alan Bowen wrote:
> It has been more than 15 hours since I last sent this , so I am trying 

hm, we need some time for sleeping as well

> again. Apologies for any duplication. A.

\setuptabulate[split=yes]

it's auto by default which is kind of wrong (i'll fix it)


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Re: paragraphs in columns query

[Alan Bowen]

Wolfgang—

I apologize for this. There has been an intermittent glitch in my mail  
service. Some of my recent own posts and the replies have not make it  
to my box.

Anyway, I have now checked the Archive and applied your solution. It  
works perfectly.  Many thanks indeed!

Alan


On Aug 28, 2008, at 07;15,51 , Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Alan Bowen <acbowen@princeton.edu>  
> wrote:
>> It has been more than 15 hours since I last sent this , so I am  
>> trying
>> again. Apologies for any duplication. A.
>
> Read my other mail, I already gave you a working solution!
>
> Wolfgang
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Re: paragraphs in columns query

[Alan Bowen]

On Aug 28, 2008, at 08;02,41 , Hans Hagen wrote:

> Alan Bowen wrote:
>> It has been more than 15 hours since I last sent this , so I am  
>> trying
>
> hm, we need some time for sleeping as well

My concern here was that I had not yet received a copy of my original  
post (never did get one). Not impatience with any delay in reply: I am  
fully appreciative of, and most grateful for, the work by you, Taco,  
Wolfgang, and other in developing ConTeXt, to say nothing of your  
generosity in answering my typically basic questions.

Very best, Alan




>
>
>> again. Apologies for any duplication. A.
>
> \setuptabulate[split=yes]
> .
> it's auto by default which is kind of wrong (i'll fix it)
>
>
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