* news / bold math @ 2003-11-26 14:58 Hans Hagen 2003-11-27 2:14 ` `Standard' vs `Beta'? Bob Kerstetter ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 45+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2003-11-26 14:58 UTC (permalink / raw) News: http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-0005.pdf bold math and mixed bold math; only defined for lucida (dunno other bold math fonts yet) I also uploaded new versions. Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* `Standard' vs `Beta'? 2003-11-26 14:58 news / bold math Hans Hagen @ 2003-11-27 2:14 ` Bob Kerstetter 2003-11-27 9:26 ` Hans Hagen 2003-11-27 6:10 ` news / bold math Lutz Haseloff ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Bob Kerstetter @ 2003-11-27 2:14 UTC (permalink / raw) Hello, what is the difference between the "distributed" and the "beta" versions of context? How current is my version? Does it have all of the cool stuff for doing "column sets"? type this in the terminal context -version prints this on the screen: pdfeTeX (Web2C 7.5.2) 3.141592-1.11a-2.1 kpathsea version 3.5.2 Copyright (C) 1997-2003 The NTS Team (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX). Kpathsea is copyright (C) 1997-2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc. There is NO warranty. Redistribution of this software is covered by the terms of both the pdfeTeX copyright and the GNU General Public License. For more information about these matters, see the files named COPYING and the pdfeTeX source. Primary author of pdfeTeX: The NTS Team (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX). Kpathsea written by Karl Berry and others. Thanks Bob Kerstetter http://homepage.mac.com/bkerstetter/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: `Standard' vs `Beta'? 2003-11-27 2:14 ` `Standard' vs `Beta'? Bob Kerstetter @ 2003-11-27 9:26 ` Hans Hagen 2003-11-28 1:06 ` Bob Kerstetter 0 siblings, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2003-11-27 9:26 UTC (permalink / raw) At 03:14 27/11/2003, you wrote: >what is the difference between the "distributed" and the "beta" versions >of context? How current is my version? Does it have all of the cool stuff >for doing "column sets"? in most cases recent versions of distributions have the latest context, however, you can download the version from our site, put it in your texmf local tree, run mktexlsr and texexec --make --alone and it should work; i'm working on a tree on our server so that one can rsync columnsets are available in older versions, but not always with all tricks >type this in the terminal > >context -version > >prints this on the screen: >pdfeTeX (Web2C 7.5.2) 3.141592-1.11a-2.1 >kpathsea version 3.5.2 >Copyright (C) 1997-2003 The NTS Team (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX). >Kpathsea is copyright (C) 1997-2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc. >There is NO warranty. Redistribution of this software is >covered by the terms of both the pdfeTeX copyright and >the GNU General Public License. >For more information about these matters, see the files >named COPYING and the pdfeTeX source. >Primary author of pdfeTeX: The NTS Team (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX). >Kpathsea written by Karl Berry and others. there is a new pdfetex on the tex live dvd/cd, but for the moment 1.11a is pl Hans ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: `Standard' vs `Beta'? 2003-11-27 9:26 ` Hans Hagen @ 2003-11-28 1:06 ` Bob Kerstetter 2003-12-08 17:20 ` ConTeXt Switcher? Bob Kerstetter 0 siblings, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Bob Kerstetter @ 2003-11-28 1:06 UTC (permalink / raw) Thanks, Hans. On Nov 27, 2003, at 3:26 AM, Hans Hagen wrote: > At 03:14 27/11/2003, you wrote: > >> what is the difference between the "distributed" and the "beta" >> versions of context? How current is my version? Does it have all of >> the cool stuff for doing "column sets"? > > in most cases recent versions of distributions have the latest > context, however, you can download the version from our site, put it > in your texmf local tree, run mktexlsr and texexec --make --alone and > it should work; i'm working on a tree on our server so that one can > rsync > > columnsets are available in older versions, but not always with all > tricks > >> type this in the terminal >> >> context -version >> >> prints this on the screen: > >> pdfeTeX (Web2C 7.5.2) 3.141592-1.11a-2.1 >> kpathsea version 3.5.2 >> Copyright (C) 1997-2003 The NTS Team (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX). >> Kpathsea is copyright (C) 1997-2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc. >> There is NO warranty. Redistribution of this software is >> covered by the terms of both the pdfeTeX copyright and >> the GNU General Public License. >> For more information about these matters, see the files >> named COPYING and the pdfeTeX source. >> Primary author of pdfeTeX: The NTS Team (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX). >> Kpathsea written by Karl Berry and others. > > there is a new pdfetex on the tex live dvd/cd, but for the moment > 1.11a is pl > > Hans > _______________________________________________ > ntg-context mailing list > ntg-context@ntg.nl > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* ConTeXt Switcher? 2003-11-28 1:06 ` Bob Kerstetter @ 2003-12-08 17:20 ` Bob Kerstetter 2003-12-08 18:55 ` Peter Münster 2003-12-08 20:33 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 2 replies; 45+ messages in thread From: Bob Kerstetter @ 2003-12-08 17:20 UTC (permalink / raw) Hello ConTeXt Users, I have been using LaTeX for 15 months or so. From one source document I am able to produce: 1. PDF 2. HTML 3. Word (via HTML conversion) ConTeXt is very attractive because of its detailed control, layers, colors, few or no packages(!!!!!), magical developers, and on and on. It can obvious produce PDF. Can it also produce HTML and Word from the same document? Thanks, Bob Kerstetter http://homepage.mac.com/bkerstetter/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: ConTeXt Switcher? 2003-12-08 17:20 ` ConTeXt Switcher? Bob Kerstetter @ 2003-12-08 18:55 ` Peter Münster 2003-12-08 20:57 ` Bob Kerstetter 2003-12-08 20:33 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 1 sibling, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Peter Münster @ 2003-12-08 18:55 UTC (permalink / raw) On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Bob Kerstetter wrote: > It can obvious produce PDF. Can it also produce HTML and Word from the > same document? Hello, I like TeX4ht for LaTeX. It would be great, if TeX4ht and ConTeXt work together. It seems, that it works well with plain-TeX, so why not with ConTeXt? Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ------------------------------------ Film Search site: http://f-s.sf.net/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: ConTeXt Switcher? 2003-12-08 18:55 ` Peter Münster @ 2003-12-08 20:57 ` Bob Kerstetter 0 siblings, 0 replies; 45+ messages in thread From: Bob Kerstetter @ 2003-12-08 20:57 UTC (permalink / raw) On Dec 8, 2003, at 12:55 PM, Peter Münster wrote: > On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Bob Kerstetter wrote: > >> It can obvious produce PDF. Can it also produce HTML and Word from the >> same document? > > Hello, > I like TeX4ht for LaTeX. It would be great, if TeX4ht and ConTeXt work > together. It seems, that it works well with plain-TeX, so why not with > ConTeXt? TeX4ht is excellent. It's what I use for LaTeX to HTML and Word (via HTML convertion). It would require writing a custom configuration file to make it work with ConTeXt. I could be done, I just don't know how to do it. I have tried repeated to understand TeX4ht's conversion, but have never succeeded. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: ConTeXt Switcher? 2003-12-08 17:20 ` ConTeXt Switcher? Bob Kerstetter 2003-12-08 18:55 ` Peter Münster @ 2003-12-08 20:33 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2003-12-08 21:51 ` Bob Kerstetter 1 sibling, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2003-12-08 20:33 UTC (permalink / raw) Am Montag, 08.12.03, um 18:20 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Bob Kerstetter: > ConTeXt is very attractive because of its detailed control, layers, > colors, few or no packages(!!!!!), magical developers, and on and on. > It can obvious produce PDF. Can it also produce HTML and Word from the > same document? The normal way to get both PDF and HTML is using a XML source. You know of ConTeXts native XML mode? AFAIK you can import XML or HTML into MS Office, too, so you need no real Word DOC output. Or perhaps there's an other XML to RTF/DOC Konverter... Grüßlis vom Hraban! -- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: ConTeXt Switcher? 2003-12-08 20:33 ` Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2003-12-08 21:51 ` Bob Kerstetter 2003-12-08 22:06 ` Re[2]: " Giuseppe Bilotta 0 siblings, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Bob Kerstetter @ 2003-12-08 21:51 UTC (permalink / raw) On Dec 8, 2003, at 2:33 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > Am Montag, 08.12.03, um 18:20 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Bob > Kerstetter: >> ConTeXt is very attractive because of its detailed control, layers, >> colors, few or no packages(!!!!!), magical developers, and on and on. >> It can obvious produce PDF. Can it also produce HTML and Word from >> the same document? > > The normal way to get both PDF and HTML is using a XML source. > You know of ConTeXts native XML mode? > AFAIK you can import XML or HTML into MS Office, too, so you need no > real Word DOC output. > Or perhaps there's an other XML to RTF/DOC Konverter... I know XML source should work, but at least for me, creating XML source is unproductive. I work with a text editor and find writing this: ``Hello world,'' says HAL. much more productive than writing this: <p>“Hello world”</p>, says HAL. Maybe I'm missing something, but for writing, XML's markup requirements -- which are invisible to field-based data entry screen -- are way too intense for hand-editing. TeX source is much less verbose. It is easier to create, proof (both visually and audibly), spell check troubleshoot, etc. I have not seen an editor capable of doing XML source in a productive manner, like (La)TeX with text editor. OmniOutliner for OS X is close to being close, but too far from the goal to use. Is there some "special thing" I don't know? ??? Thanks. Bob Kerstetter http://homepage.mac.com/bkerstetter/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re[2]: ConTeXt Switcher? 2003-12-08 21:51 ` Bob Kerstetter @ 2003-12-08 22:06 ` Giuseppe Bilotta 2003-12-09 7:52 ` Hans Hagen 2003-12-11 5:40 ` ConTeXt Switcher? Berend de Boer 0 siblings, 2 replies; 45+ messages in thread From: Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2003-12-08 22:06 UTC (permalink / raw) Monday, December 8, 2003 Bob Kerstetter wrote: > I know XML source should work, but at least for me, creating XML source > is unproductive. I work with a text editor and find writing this: > ``Hello world,'' says HAL. > much more productive than writing this: > <p>“Hello world”</p>, says HAL. > Maybe I'm missing something, but for writing, XML's markup requirements > -- which are invisible to field-based data entry screen -- are way too > intense for hand-editing. TeX source is much less verbose. It is easier > to create, proof (both visually and audibly), spell check > troubleshoot, etc. I have not seen an editor capable of doing XML > source in a productive manner, like (La)TeX with text editor. I agree with you. Productive editing of XML document requires specialized editors, and I still haven't found an (open source) one that was up to the task. Vex is quite promising, in this regard. -- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re[2]: ConTeXt Switcher? 2003-12-08 22:06 ` Re[2]: " Giuseppe Bilotta @ 2003-12-09 7:52 ` Hans Hagen 2003-12-09 12:52 ` context2html converter (was: ConTeXt Switcher? ) Maurice Diamantini 2003-12-11 5:40 ` ConTeXt Switcher? Berend de Boer 1 sibling, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2003-12-09 7:52 UTC (permalink / raw) At 23:06 08/12/2003, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote: >Monday, December 8, 2003 Bob Kerstetter wrote: > > > I know XML source should work, but at least for me, creating XML source > > is unproductive. I work with a text editor and find writing this: > > > ``Hello world,'' says HAL. > > > much more productive than writing this: > > > <p>“Hello world”</p>, says HAL. both are wrong in the perspective of xml (structured document coding): <quotation>Hello World</quotation>, says HAL is the way to go Hans ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* context2html converter (was: ConTeXt Switcher? ) 2003-12-09 7:52 ` Hans Hagen @ 2003-12-09 12:52 ` Maurice Diamantini 2003-12-09 23:16 ` Bob Kerstetter 0 siblings, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Maurice Diamantini @ 2003-12-09 12:52 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Maurice Diamantini >> > <p>“Hello world”</p>, says HAL. > > both are wrong in the perspective of xml (structured document coding): > > <quotation>Hello World</quotation>, says HAL > > is the way to go Hum, yes. But for $x^2 + y^2=25$ you should write (from one of your previous post): \setupoutput[pdftex] \usemodule[mathml] % \usetypescript[palatino][texnansi] \setupbodyfont[palatino] % \usetypescript[palatino][texnansi] \setupbodyfont[times] % \usetypescript[fourier] [ec] \setupbodyfont[fourier] \starttext \startTEXpage \startXMLdata <math> <apply> <eq/> <apply> <plus/> <ci> x </ci> <apply> <power/> <apply> <sin/> <ci> x </ci> </apply> <cn> 2 </cn> </apply> <ci> y </ci> </apply> <ci> y </ci> </apply> </math> \stopXMLdata \stopTEXpage \stoptext So I think xml is an exchange format, not a human language as are LaTeX/ConTeXt or even TeX. A context2html solution is a big miss for ConTeXt tex4ht could be that solution. (if only a tex4ht power user would switch from LaTeX to ConTeXt :-) Maurice Diamantini ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: context2html converter (was: ConTeXt Switcher? ) 2003-12-09 12:52 ` context2html converter (was: ConTeXt Switcher? ) Maurice Diamantini @ 2003-12-09 23:16 ` Bob Kerstetter 2003-12-10 10:39 ` context2html converter Patrick Gundlach 2004-04-01 17:22 ` context2html converter (was: ConTeXt Switcher? ) Peter Münster 0 siblings, 2 replies; 45+ messages in thread From: Bob Kerstetter @ 2003-12-09 23:16 UTC (permalink / raw) On Dec 9, 2003, at 6:52 AM, Maurice Diamantini wrote: > A context2html solution is a big miss for ConTeXt > tex4ht could be that solution. > (if only a tex4ht power user would switch from LaTeX to ConTeXt :-) > I have contacted a friend who is a tex4ht power user and asked if he could help with making tex4ht work with ConTeXt. He said his "uneducated guess" is that tex4ht can be made to work with ConTeXt, but he would need help installing ConTeXt on his Sun Solaris account. He does not have root access. The help would consistent of: "Where to put things, setting up configuration files if such are needed, and similar issues that a user like me with no root access might encounter to get the system to run. In short, someone who can lead me in small steps through the installation process." Do such instructions already exist? Or, if someone can provide that type of help, please contact me offlist and I'll put y'all together. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: context2html converter 2003-12-09 23:16 ` Bob Kerstetter @ 2003-12-10 10:39 ` Patrick Gundlach 2003-12-10 12:55 ` ConTeXt-live distribution Maurice Diamantini 2004-04-01 17:22 ` context2html converter (was: ConTeXt Switcher? ) Peter Münster 1 sibling, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2003-12-10 10:39 UTC (permalink / raw) Bob Kerstetter <bkerstetter@mac.com> writes: Hi Bob, > "Where to put things, setting up configuration files if such are > needed, and similar issues that a user like me with no root access > might encounter to get the system to run. In short, someone who can > lead me in small steps through the installation process." > > Do such instructions already exist? Or, if someone can provide that > type of help, please contact me offlist and I'll put y'all together. I have put some instructions at http://levana.de/context/ I could help with installation steps. Patrick -- mon trainsistor j'adore ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* ConTeXt-live distribution 2003-12-10 10:39 ` context2html converter Patrick Gundlach @ 2003-12-10 12:55 ` Maurice Diamantini 2003-12-10 13:29 ` Zunbeltz Izaola ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 45+ messages in thread From: Maurice Diamantini @ 2003-12-10 12:55 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Maurice Diamantini Le 10 déc. 03, à 11:39, Patrick Gundlach a écrit : > Bob Kerstetter <bkerstetter@mac.com> writes: >> ... that a user like me with no root access >> might encounter to get the system to run. In short, someone who can >> lead me in small steps through the installation process." >> >> Do such instructions already exist? Or, if someone can provide that >> type of help, please contact me offlist and I'll put y'all together. > > I have put some instructions at http://levana.de/context/ I could > help with installation steps. I think Hans provided a limited version for a context standalone distribution. But I had problem for install it (whith perl) so I give up. Also the standard tetex distribution provided with fink (on MacOSX-10.3) did'n work for me (some itemize bug), and I had to install the texlive distribution. The texlive is very nice because it is complete. But it is very heavy (only the demo version old on a single CD-ROM : the full texlive take 1.2 Go and need a DVD !) Why is texlive so big ? Because it contains all old stuff that any LaTeX/TeX distribution should contain to be compatible with every TeX based document from the last few decade ;-) - every package which was ever able to do multicols - every package which allows to do clever table - every package which allows to do verbatim, ... But ConTeXt is an independant, modern TeX based distribution (even if it don't (yet) know about simple html :-). So was do we need to be able to switch from LaTeX to ConTeXt? - a simple standard tetex distib for our old LaTeX document - a standalone ConTeXt distribution similar to the texlive in the idea This ConTeXt-live should be multiplatform and contain: - all uptodate reference doc about ConTeXt tools - all available exemples or model documents - all contrib extention (m-bib, math, ...) - the TeX/Metapost and perl distribution. - all tools (xml, html, ....) This could be distibute as iso image and could be use as simple (no privilege) user. This would also make much easier to give acces to context to beginer (without the need of texmf experience). Also, what is missing for ConTeXt versus LaTeX 1 - some good LaTeX class emulation (a simple "table of content" is uggli in ConTeXt) 2 - some exemples for writing mathemaics using the new Giuseppe math packages 3 - some mean to write xml or html FROM ConTeXt (and NOT the reverse!) 3 - some package or binding to Lilypond (for writing music/midi and xml) 4 - ... -- Maurice Diamantini (a recent latex2context switcher) P.S sorry for my bad english ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: ConTeXt-live distribution 2003-12-10 12:55 ` ConTeXt-live distribution Maurice Diamantini @ 2003-12-10 13:29 ` Zunbeltz Izaola 2003-12-10 15:10 ` ConTeXt-live distribution (Typesetting music in ConTeXt) Pavel Stupin 2003-12-10 16:32 ` ConTeXt-live distribution Hans Hagen 2 siblings, 0 replies; 45+ messages in thread From: Zunbeltz Izaola @ 2003-12-10 13:29 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #1: Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN, Size: 3023 bytes --] On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Maurice Diamantini wrote: > > Le 10 déc. 03, à 11:39, Patrick Gundlach a écrit : > > > Bob Kerstetter <bkerstetter@mac.com> writes: > >> ... that a user like me with no root access > >> might encounter to get the system to run. In short, someone who can > >> lead me in small steps through the installation process." > >> > >> Do such instructions already exist? Or, if someone can provide that > >> type of help, please contact me offlist and I'll put y'all together. > > > > I have put some instructions at http://levana.de/context/ I could > > help with installation steps. > > I think Hans provided a limited version for a context standalone > distribution. > But I had problem for install it (whith perl) so I give up. > > Also the standard tetex distribution provided with fink (on MacOSX-10.3) > did'n work for me (some itemize bug), and I had to install the texlive > distribution. > > The texlive is very nice because it is complete. But it is very heavy > (only the demo version old on a single CD-ROM : the full texlive > take 1.2 Go and need a DVD !) > I don't have the distribution in the hand, but i think the full texlive is in a DVD, beacause in the same DVD there is a copy of CTAN. I think a runing copy of TeXLive can be extracted from this DVD to a CD-ROM ( or two) > Because it contains all old stuff that any LaTeX/TeX distribution should > contain to be compatible with every TeX based document from the > last few decade ;-) > - every package which was ever able to do multicols > - every package which allows to do clever table > - every package which allows to do verbatim, ... > > But ConTeXt is an independant, modern TeX based distribution (even if > it don't (yet) know about simple html :-). > > So was do we need to be able to switch from LaTeX to ConTeXt? > - a simple standard tetex distib for our old LaTeX document > - a standalone ConTeXt distribution similar to the texlive > in the idea > > This ConTeXt-live should be multiplatform and contain: > - all uptodate reference doc about ConTeXt tools > - all available exemples or model documents > - all contrib extention (m-bib, math, ...) > - the TeX/Metapost and perl distribution. > - all tools (xml, html, ....) > > This could be distibute as iso image and could be > use as simple (no privilege) user. > > This would also make much easier to give acces to context to > beginer (without the need of texmf experience). > > I'm a ConTeXt beginer, but i think that texmf is necesary, expecially for fonts, isn't it? > Also, what is missing for ConTeXt versus LaTeX > 1 - some good LaTeX class emulation > (a simple "table of content" is uggli in ConTeXt) > 2 - some exemples for writing mathemaics using the new Giuseppe > math packages > 3 - some mean to write xml or html FROM ConTeXt (and NOT the reverse!) > 3 - some package or binding to Lilypond (for writing music/midi and xml) > 4 - ... > chears, Zunbeltz ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: ConTeXt-live distribution (Typesetting music in ConTeXt) 2003-12-10 12:55 ` ConTeXt-live distribution Maurice Diamantini 2003-12-10 13:29 ` Zunbeltz Izaola @ 2003-12-10 15:10 ` Pavel Stupin 2003-12-10 16:44 ` Hans Hagen 2003-12-10 16:32 ` ConTeXt-live distribution Hans Hagen 2 siblings, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Pavel Stupin @ 2003-12-10 15:10 UTC (permalink / raw) ____________________________________________________ On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:55:34 +0100 Maurice Diamantini <diam@ensta.fr> wrote: ____________________________________________________ : 3 - some package or binding to Lilypond (for writing music/midi and : xml) That would be very-very nice. By the way, are there any plans to implement this feature (Lilypond binding) or, may be, some other ways to typeset music in ConTeXt? Best, Pavel. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: ConTeXt-live distribution (Typesetting music in ConTeXt) 2003-12-10 15:10 ` ConTeXt-live distribution (Typesetting music in ConTeXt) Pavel Stupin @ 2003-12-10 16:44 ` Hans Hagen 2003-12-10 18:55 ` Willi Egger 0 siblings, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2003-12-10 16:44 UTC (permalink / raw) At 16:10 10/12/2003, you wrote: >____________________________________________________ >On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:55:34 +0100 >Maurice Diamantini <diam@ensta.fr> wrote: >____________________________________________________ > >: 3 - some package or binding to Lilypond (for writing music/midi and >: xml) > >That would be very-very nice. By the way, are there any plans to >implement this feature (Lilypond binding) or, may be, some other ways to >typeset >music in ConTeXt? if i'd time i'd write a metapost based engine .... with regards to lilypond, it depends on how latex dependent things are Hans ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: ConTeXt-live distribution (Typesetting music in ConTeXt) 2003-12-10 16:44 ` Hans Hagen @ 2003-12-10 18:55 ` Willi Egger 2003-12-10 22:05 ` Typesetting music in ConTeXt Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Willi Egger @ 2003-12-10 18:55 UTC (permalink / raw) Hans Hagen wrote: > At 16:10 10/12/2003, you wrote: > >> ____________________________________________________ >> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:55:34 +0100 >> Maurice Diamantini <diam@ensta.fr> wrote: >> ____________________________________________________ >> >> : 3 - some package or binding to Lilypond (for writing music/midi and >> : xml) >> >> That would be very-very nice. By the way, are there any plans to >> implement this feature (Lilypond binding) or, may be, some other ways >> to typeset >> music in ConTeXt? > > > if i'd time i'd write a metapost based engine .... > > with regards to lilypond, it depends on how latex dependent things are Lilypond makes use of LaTeX only. Secondly be aware, that the software runs under Linux and under Cygwin. I would love to see a METAPOST based engine, but I understand, that this is a project for the time Hans has nothing to add anymore to ConTeXt. ;-) Willi ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: Typesetting music in ConTeXt 2003-12-10 18:55 ` Willi Egger @ 2003-12-10 22:05 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2003-12-11 8:24 ` Maurice Diamantini 2003-12-11 23:57 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 45+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2003-12-10 22:05 UTC (permalink / raw) Am Mittwoch, 10.12.03, um 19:55 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Willi Egger: >>> : 3 - some package or binding to Lilypond (for writing music/midi and >>> : xml) >>> That would be very-very nice. By the way, are there any plans to >>> implement this feature (Lilypond binding) or, may be, some other >>> ways to typeset >>> music in ConTeXt? >> >> if i'd time i'd write a metapost based engine .... >> with regards to lilypond, it depends on how latex dependent things are > > Lilypond makes use of LaTeX only. Secondly be aware, that the software > runs under Linux and under Cygwin. Hm, perhaps it would be possible to use some MusicTeX version? AFAIK that's based on PlainTeX and could be compatible. But as I looked at it last time, it was impossible to get a working distribution (lots of patches and dependencies of tools on unreachable sites...); but perhaps someone knows how? Another problem are appropriate music fonts (I know only Metafonts, besides either unusable or expensive PS fonts). Even if I know that Hans is a capable wizard, I don't think that some Metapost music typesetting could provide more than some single note lines. If we talk about music typesetting (or try to port or adapt something for ConTeXt) we must think in orchestra concert book dimensions; I guess musical typography more difficult than "usual". Grüßlis vom Hraban! -- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Typesetting music in ConTeXt 2003-12-10 22:05 ` Typesetting music in ConTeXt Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2003-12-11 8:24 ` Maurice Diamantini 2003-12-11 23:51 ` Hans Hagen 2003-12-11 23:57 ` Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Maurice Diamantini @ 2003-12-11 8:24 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Maurice Diamantini, Maurice Diamantini Le 10 déc. 03, à 23:05, Henning Hraban Ramm a écrit : > Am Mittwoch, 10.12.03, um 19:55 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Willi > Egger: > >>>> : 3 - some package or binding to Lilypond (for writing music/midi >>>> and >>>> : xml) >>>> That would be very-very nice. By the way, are there any plans to >>>> implement this feature (Lilypond binding) or, may be, some other >>>> ways to typeset >>>> music in ConTeXt? >>> >>> if i'd time i'd write a metapost based engine .... >>> with regards to lilypond, it depends on how latex dependent things >>> are >> >> Lilypond makes use of LaTeX only. Secondly be aware, that the >> software runs under Linux and under Cygwin. > > Hm, perhaps it would be possible to use some MusicTeX version? AFAIK > that's based on PlainTeX and could be compatible I think there VERY much more work about lilypond that about Musi*TeX. Also Lilipond has a modern approch and has a very good (*TeX) documentation. From http://lilypond.org/web/about/faq.html Will run on my computer? LilyPond is written for Unix, so it should run on any modern Unix variant, including Linux/GNU and MacOS X. There is also a MS Windows port, which uses the Cygwin environment. About other format: We have the following requirements: • the format must use ASCII, • it must be concise enough to type by hand, • it must have a concise formal specification, • it must be expressive enough to support many types of notation and printed formats. We believe that none of the existing formats address all these requirements. For example, MusicXML cannot be typed by hand, DARMS is limited in its application, ABC has no strict formal definition, and NIFF is binary. Nevertheless, this does not restrict you for using those formats: there are filters that convert from various formats to .ly Also there is some converter from lilypond to xml So instead of Hans restarting a new Music Notation project, Hans should make lilypond team using Context instead of LaTeX ;-) Also I noted that : - Lilypond is NOT a TeX macro, it only seems to be a dedicated (powerfull) subset of TeX (but allow input of TeX macro) - Lilypond make use of TeX for page breaking and other stuff So How to use Lilypond with ConTeXt? 1 - use Lilypond as an independant tool for building short (less or equal to one page) as pdf figure and include them in context as external figure (that is the way I'll do, because I'm not clever enought to do much more :-) 2 - make Lilypond team understand how ConTeXt is much more interesting as automatic formatic tool for creating pdf than LaTeX is! 3 - Allow using lilypond inside ConTeXt with \startmusic \stopmusic I think this method would be much like typesetting chimical Hans has not to be developping a nex package, just using one that already exist Also I think Lilipond could interest much more people that the only short xTeX poeple user. But Lilipond in not as easy to install (to many LaTeX dependancy). So the Lilypond tead could be interested by the new future alternative ConTeXt-live CDROM distribution ;-) ConTeXt-live (alias LaTeX-3: the only "nothing to install" TeX based type system that allow to do : - Mathematical, - graphical (Metapost), - Chimical, - Musical hight quality pdf documentation or web based presentation!!! P.S. I don't (yet) use Lilypond, but I looked after some text based Music notation for my wife. I thought first to MusixTex (too eavy, too old) then the abc format (which could be import as ps/pdf figure), then I found that lilypond was closely related to TeX. So it's probably the choice I'll do. -- Maurice Diamantini ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Typesetting music in ConTeXt 2003-12-11 8:24 ` Maurice Diamantini @ 2003-12-11 23:51 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 45+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2003-12-11 23:51 UTC (permalink / raw) At 09:24 11/12/2003, you wrote: >So instead of Hans restarting a new Music Notation project, Hans should >make lilypond team using Context instead of LaTeX ;-) i'm not that sure (remembering a talk) that th lilypond team is that fond on tex -) >Also I noted that : >- Lilypond is NOT a TeX macro, it only seems to be a > dedicated (powerfull) subset of TeX (but allow input of TeX macro) it uses the \ as escape (as tex and rtf do) >- Lilypond make use of TeX for page breaking and other stuff > >So How to use Lilypond with ConTeXt? >1 - use Lilypond as an independant tool for building short > (less or equal to one page) as pdf figure and > include them in context as external figure > (that is the way I'll do, because I'm not clever > enought to do much more :-) if there is a clean way to generate a cropped piece of music, this is actually simple: There is a mechanism in context for processign snippets, something along the lines: \long\def\dostartTEXapplication[#1]#2#3\stopTEXapplication {\bgroup \bgroup \let\f!temporaryextension\c!tex \setbuffer[\@@texapp]% \ifx\starttext\undefined \pdfoutput=1 \pdfcompresslevel=9 \hsize0pt \vsize0pt #2\relax% preamble \ifdim\hsize=0pt \hsize20cm\fi \ifdim\vsize=0pt \vsize20cm\fi \output{} \parindent=0pt \everypar{} \hoffset=-1in \voffset=\hoffset \setbox0\vbox{#3} \ifdim\wd0<1in \message{[warning: width<1in]}\fi \ifdim\ht0<1in \message{[warning: height<1in]}\fi \pdfpageheight=\ht0 \pdfpagewidth=\wd0 \box0 \expandafter \bye \else \starttext #2% preamble \startTEXpage[#1]% \topskip\zeropoint \setbox\scratchbox\hbox{#3}% \saveTEXapplication02% dimensions \box\scratchbox \stopTEXpage \expandafter \stoptext \fi \endbuffer \egroup % \doifelse\jobsuffix{dvi}\donetrue\donefalse % \executesystemcommand{texexec \bufferprefix\@@texapp.tex --once --batch}% \executesystemcommand{texexec --tex=pdftex --format=plain \bufferprefix\@@texapp.tex}% % \ifdone % eps % \executesystemcommand{dvips -E* -o \@@texapp.eps \@@texapp}% % \else % pdf % \executesystemcommand{dvips \bufferprefix\@@texapp}% % \executesystemcommand{ps2pdf \bufferprefix\@@texapp.ps \bufferprefix\@@texapp.pdf}% % \fi % \restoreTEXapplication % dimensions \setbox\scratchbox\hbox {\expanded{\externalfigure % [\bufferprefix\@@texapp.\ifdone eps\else pdf\fi] [\bufferprefix\@@texapp.pdf] [\c!object=\v!nee]}}% % \setbox\scratchbox\hbox % {\lower\ht\scratchbox\hbox{\raise\dimen2\box\scratchbox}}% % \wd\scratchbox\dimen0 % \ht\scratchbox\dimen2 % \dp\scratchbox\zeropoint \ruledhbox\bgroup \box\scratchbox \egroup \egroup} \def\startMUSICTEX {\dosingleempty\dostartMUSICTEX} \long\def\dostartMUSICTEX[#1]#2\stopMUSICTEX {\startTEXapplication[#1] {\input musicnft\relax \input musictex\relax \hsize5cm}#2% \stopTEXapplication} \protect \starttext \starthiding \startMUSICTEX \def\nbinstruments{1}\relax % a single instrument \generalmeter{\meterfrac{4}{4}}\relax % 4/4 meter chosen \debutextrait % starting real score \normal % normal 12 pt note spacing \temps\Notes\ibu0f0\qh0{cge}\tbu0\qh0g\enotes \finextrait % terminate excerpt \stopMUSICTEX \startMUSICTEX \def\nbinstruments{3}\relax % a single instrument \debutextrait % starting real score \temps \Notes\ibu0f0\qh0{cge}\tbu0\qh0g\enotes \Notes\ibu0f0\qh0{cge}\tbu0\qh0g\enotes \finextrait % terminate excerpt \stopMUSICTEX \stophiding \startMUSICTEX \generalsignature{1}% \def\nbinstruments{1}% \debutextrait \NOtes\zsong{Au }\qu g\enotes \NOtes\zsong{clair }\qu g\enotes \NOtes\zsong{de }\qu g\enotes \NOtes\zsong{la }\qu h\enotes \finextrait \stopMUSICTEX \stoptext Willi has played with this and maybe the two of you can figure out what this should look like for lilypond. >2 - make Lilypond team understand how ConTeXt is much > more interesting as automatic formatic tool for > creating pdf than LaTeX is! go ahead ... >3 - Allow using lilypond inside ConTeXt with > \startmusic > \stopmusic > I think this method would be much like typesetting > chimical > Hans has not to be developping a nex package, just > using one that already exist see a few lines back >Also I think Lilipond could interest much more people >that the only short xTeX poeple user. >But Lilipond in not as easy to install (to many LaTeX >dependancy). which is strange since there is not much latex needed for music >So the Lilypond tead could be interested by the new future >alternative ConTeXt-live CDROM distribution ;-) > >ConTeXt-live (alias LaTeX-3: the only "nothing to install" >TeX based type system that allow to do : >- Mathematical, >- graphical (Metapost), >- Chimical, >- Musical >hight quality pdf documentation or web based presentation!!! > > > >P.S. >I don't (yet) use Lilypond, but I looked after some text based >Music notation for my wife. >I thought first to MusixTex (too eavy, too old) then the abc format >(which could be import as ps/pdf figure), then I found that >lilypond was closely related to TeX. >So it's probably the choice I'll do. i suggest that you mail a bit with Willi Egger (also on this list) in order to sort out how to proceed; i can hack tha macros once i know what needs to be done Hans ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Typesetting music in ConTeXt 2003-12-10 22:05 ` Typesetting music in ConTeXt Henning Hraban Ramm 2003-12-11 8:24 ` Maurice Diamantini @ 2003-12-11 23:57 ` Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 45+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2003-12-11 23:57 UTC (permalink / raw) At 23:05 10/12/2003, you wrote: >Even if I know that Hans is a capable wizard, I don't think that some >Metapost music typesetting could provide more than some single note lines. >If we talk about music typesetting (or try to port or adapt something for >ConTeXt) we must think in orchestra concert book dimensions; I guess >musical typography more difficult than "usual". one reason to consider metapost is that it is better suited for calculations besides being fun; the main problem is in the input language since all examples i've seen so far are kind of awful; but don't worry .. i currently don't have time for it -) Are there gui based apps that generate musicxml, whatever that is (maybe just another dtd being application data turned into <>'s)? Hans ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: ConTeXt-live distribution 2003-12-10 12:55 ` ConTeXt-live distribution Maurice Diamantini 2003-12-10 13:29 ` Zunbeltz Izaola 2003-12-10 15:10 ` ConTeXt-live distribution (Typesetting music in ConTeXt) Pavel Stupin @ 2003-12-10 16:32 ` Hans Hagen 2003-12-10 16:43 ` Adam Lindsay 2 siblings, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2003-12-10 16:32 UTC (permalink / raw) At 13:55 10/12/2003, you wrote: .... >This would also make much easier to give acces to context to >beginer (without the need of texmf experience). There is indeed such an iso image (100 MB including all doc). But .. as an experiment you try the following: (1) download one of: http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/texsync.rb http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/texsync.exe (2) run: texsync --update --tree=doc --destination=<yourpath> --force with <yourpath> being for instance (on windows) d:/tex/documentation (3) and/or: texsync --update --make --tree=doc --destination=<yourpath> --force with <yourpath> being for instance (on windows) d:/tex/ Given that you have perl installed, the file 'setuptex.bat' (there is also a linux one) in the texroot should provide you the minimal system you want. The destination is optional, and when omitted, it will use kpsewhich to determine the root; a first time there is probably no such root. Hans ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: ConTeXt-live distribution 2003-12-10 16:32 ` ConTeXt-live distribution Hans Hagen @ 2003-12-10 16:43 ` Adam Lindsay 2003-12-10 16:54 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Adam Lindsay @ 2003-12-10 16:43 UTC (permalink / raw) Is this another way of saying that there's a new version (+ beta) on the site? :) Hans Hagen said this at Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:32:29 +0100: >At 13:55 10/12/2003, you wrote: > >.... > >>This would also make much easier to give acces to context to >>beginer (without the need of texmf experience). > >There is indeed such an iso image (100 MB including all doc). > >But .. as an experiment you try the following: > >(1) download one of: > > http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/texsync.rb > http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/texsync.exe > >(2) run: > > texsync --update --tree=doc --destination=<yourpath> --force > > with <yourpath> being for instance (on windows) d:/tex/documentation > >(3) and/or: > > texsync --update --make --tree=doc --destination=<yourpath> --force > > with <yourpath> being for instance (on windows) d:/tex/ > >Given that you have perl installed, the file 'setuptex.bat' (there is also >a linux one) in the texroot should provide you the minimal system you want. > >The destination is optional, and when omitted, it will use kpsewhich to >determine the root; a first time there is probably no such root. > >Hans > >_______________________________________________ >ntg-context mailing list >ntg-context@ntg.nl >http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Computing Dept, Lancaster University +44(0)1524/594.537 Lancaster, LA1 4YR, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/593.608 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: ConTeXt-live distribution 2003-12-10 16:43 ` Adam Lindsay @ 2003-12-10 16:54 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 45+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2003-12-10 16:54 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context At 17:43 10/12/2003, you wrote: >Is this another way of saying that there's a new version (+ beta) on the >site? :) since i synced the sit ewith my machine ... indeed (unless something went wrong) Hans ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: context2html converter (was: ConTeXt Switcher? ) 2003-12-09 23:16 ` Bob Kerstetter 2003-12-10 10:39 ` context2html converter Patrick Gundlach @ 2004-04-01 17:22 ` Peter Münster 1 sibling, 0 replies; 45+ messages in thread From: Peter Münster @ 2004-04-01 17:22 UTC (permalink / raw) On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Bob Kerstetter wrote: > I have contacted a friend who is a tex4ht power user and asked if he > could help with making tex4ht work with ConTeXt. He said his > "uneducated guess" is that tex4ht can be made to work with ConTeXt, but Hello Bob, any news about TeX4ht for ConTeXt? Cheers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- FilmSearch engine with a lot of new features: http://f-s.sf.net/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: ConTeXt Switcher? 2003-12-08 22:06 ` Re[2]: " Giuseppe Bilotta 2003-12-09 7:52 ` Hans Hagen @ 2003-12-11 5:40 ` Berend de Boer 1 sibling, 0 replies; 45+ messages in thread From: Berend de Boer @ 2003-12-11 5:40 UTC (permalink / raw) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Giuseppe Bilotta <gip.bilotta@iol.it> writes: > I agree with you. Productive editing of XML document requires > specialized editors, and I still haven't found an (open source) > one that was up to the task. Vex is quite promising, in this > regard. It is called emacs and the XML mode is nxml (James Clarke). Produce a Relax NG schema, and you will be blown away. - -- Live long and prosper, Berend de Boer (PGP public key: http://www.pobox.com/~berend/berend-public-key.txt) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/> iD8DBQE/2AMmIyuuaiRyjTYRAkyEAJ0bmvlmVMoozMdotwMjvGxlHW2QwgCg0xta dzeXiKiNLjJh3deKbyqQR/Y= =lpL3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: news / bold math 2003-11-26 14:58 news / bold math Hans Hagen 2003-11-27 2:14 ` `Standard' vs `Beta'? Bob Kerstetter @ 2003-11-27 6:10 ` Lutz Haseloff 2003-11-27 6:34 ` Lutz Haseloff 2003-11-27 19:47 ` Mikael Persson 2003-11-29 0:08 ` news / bold math Adam Lindsay 3 siblings, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Lutz Haseloff @ 2003-11-27 6:10 UTC (permalink / raw) Hans Hagen schrieb: > News: > > http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-0005.pdf > > bold math and mixed bold math; only defined for lucida (dunno other bold > math fonts yet) > > I also uploaded new versions. following error occures on every context run with the new context: ----------- (c:/fpTeX/texmf-local/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex systems : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex! ! Undefined control sequence. <argument> \??bo \v!synchroniseer \setvalue #1->\expandafter \def \csname #1 \endcsname \docommando #1->\setvalue {\??bo #1} {\verticalstrut \vskip -2\lineheight \ve... \next1 #1,->\docommando {#1} \doprocesscommaitem \doprocesscommalist ...item \gobbleoneargument #1, ]\relax \global \advance \... l.22 ...calstrut\vskip-2\lineheight\verticalstrut] ? ----------- a bug? Greetings Lutz ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: news / bold math 2003-11-27 6:10 ` news / bold math Lutz Haseloff @ 2003-11-27 6:34 ` Lutz Haseloff 0 siblings, 0 replies; 45+ messages in thread From: Lutz Haseloff @ 2003-11-27 6:34 UTC (permalink / raw) Hi Hans, Hi all! > Hans Hagen schrieb: > >> News: >> >> http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-0005.pdf >> >> bold math and mixed bold math; only defined for lucida (dunno other >> bold math fonts yet) >> >> I also uploaded new versions. > > > following error occures on every context run with > the new context: > > ----------- > (c:/fpTeX/texmf-local/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex > systems : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex! > ! Undefined control sequence. > <argument> \??bo \v!synchroniseer .. .. .. > ? > ----------- > > a bug? > after some tweaking one error remains: (c:/fpTeX/texmf-local/tex/context/user/tex/context/base/spec-tpd.tex ! Undefined control sequence. l.110 \pdfoptionpdfinclusionerrorlevel =0 ? Greetings Lutz ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: news / bold math 2003-11-26 14:58 news / bold math Hans Hagen 2003-11-27 2:14 ` `Standard' vs `Beta'? Bob Kerstetter 2003-11-27 6:10 ` news / bold math Lutz Haseloff @ 2003-11-27 19:47 ` Mikael Persson [not found] ` <32868.129.16.195.171.1069962458.squirrel@mail.medic.chalme rs.se> 2003-11-29 0:08 ` news / bold math Adam Lindsay 3 siblings, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Mikael Persson @ 2003-11-27 19:47 UTC (permalink / raw) > News: > > http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/magazines/mag-0005.pdf > > bold math and mixed bold math; only defined for lucida (dunno other bold > math fonts yet) > > I also uploaded new versions. > > Hans > Hi everyone, this looks fine. I have used Wolfram's Mathematica fonts for a while, and they have, among others, bold math. I give a link to two pdfs with some examples. One can download the fonts from Wolframs site. http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/testfile.pdf I have also generated list of characters available at http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/fontlist.pdf My question is if there is a way to make the following in a nice way: Suppose one uses the Wolfram-Times math font as default in a doc. Then one would like to swich to the Wolfram-Times-Bold math font with \bf. But maybe one also wants to be able to switch to the Wolfram-Courier math font with some switch, and perhaps also Woflram-Courier-Bold math font with another switch. Moreover, if anyone is interested: There is a package to use these fonts in LaTeX. I have more or less copied and changed it to work with ConTeXt and it works more or less. There are some stuff not working yet. If anyone is interested in this, If I get an OK from the author of the LaTeX package I can make it available online if anyone is interested. Regards, Micke P ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
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* Re: news / bold math [not found] ` <32868.129.16.195.171.1069962458.squirrel@mail.medic.chalme rs.se> @ 2003-11-27 21:22 ` Hans Hagen 2003-11-27 21:38 ` Mikael Persson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2003-11-27 21:22 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context At 20:47 27/11/2003, you wrote: >this looks fine. I have used Wolfram's Mathematica fonts for a while, and >they have, among others, bold math. I give a link to two pdfs with some >examples. One can download the fonts from Wolframs site. can you give a pointer to those fonts? Hans ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: news / bold math 2003-11-27 21:22 ` Hans Hagen @ 2003-11-27 21:38 ` Mikael Persson 2003-11-28 10:36 ` Tobias Burnus 0 siblings, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Mikael Persson @ 2003-11-27 21:38 UTC (permalink / raw) > At 20:47 27/11/2003, you wrote: > >>this looks fine. I have used Wolfram's Mathematica fonts for a while, and >>they have, among others, bold math. I give a link to two pdfs with some >>examples. One can download the fonts from Wolframs site. > > can you give a pointer to those fonts? > > Hans > Yes, I forgot to add an url for that :) http://support.wolfram.com/mathematica/systems/windows/general/latestfonts.html There are links to different versions. /Micke P ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: news / bold math 2003-11-27 21:38 ` Mikael Persson @ 2003-11-28 10:36 ` Tobias Burnus 2003-11-28 20:28 ` m-bib and crossref William D. Neumann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Tobias Burnus @ 2003-11-28 10:36 UTC (permalink / raw) Hi, On Thu, Nov 27, 2003 at 10:38:52PM +0100, Mikael Persson wrote: > > can you give a pointer to those fonts? Windows (type 1 and ttf): > http://support.wolfram.com/mathematica/systems/windows/general/latestfonts.html For completeness: MACINTOSH: http://support.wolfram.com/mathematica/systems/macintosh/general/latestfonts.html UNIX .pfa: http://support.wolfram.com/mathematica/systems/unix/general/manualfontdownload.html UNIX .pcf: http://support.wolfram.com/mathematica/systems/unix/interface/pcf.html Tobias PS: Links taken from http://www.mozilla.org/projects/mathml/fonts/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* m-bib and crossref 2003-11-28 10:36 ` Tobias Burnus @ 2003-11-28 20:28 ` William D. Neumann 2003-11-29 14:50 ` ConTeXt and emacs Thomas A.Schmitz 2003-12-01 10:45 ` m-bib and crossref Taco Hoekwater 0 siblings, 2 replies; 45+ messages in thread From: William D. Neumann @ 2003-11-28 20:28 UTC (permalink / raw) I am having a problem with the m-bib module, in that it does not seem to be handling crossrefs properly. For example, in my bibtex database I have the following entries: @inproceedings{ bos92sigs, author = "Jurjen N. E. Bos and David Chaum", title = "Provably Unforgeable Signatures", crossref={CRYPTO92}, pages = "1-14"} @proceedings{CRYPTO92, editor = {Ernest F. Brickell}, title = {12th Annual International Cryptology Conference, Santa Barbara, California, USA, August 16-20, 1992, Proceedings}, booktitle = {Advances in Cryptology - CRYPTO '92}, publisher = {Springer}, series = {Lecture Notes in Computer Science}, volume = {740}, year = {1992}, isbn = {3-540-57340-2}, bibsource = {DBLP, http://dblp.uni-trier.de} } if I cite bos92sigs in a LaTeX document, the following reference is produced: [3] Jurjen N. E. Bos and David Chaum. Provably unforgeable signatures. In Ernest F. Brickell, editor, Advances in Cryptology - CRYPTO 92, volume 740 of Lecture Notes in Computer Science, pages 1-14. Springer, 1992. But ConTeXt + m-bib produce: [4] Jurjen N. E. Bos, and David Chaum, (1992). Provably unforgeable signatures. In [??], pages 1-14. What this looks like is that m-bib does not handle bibtex crossrefs properly; it tries to create another entry in the publication list and put a reference to that new entry in the crossrefrencing entries (although it did not add an entry for the CRYPTO 92 proceedings in my publication list...). What it should be doing (according to the bibtexing document) is supplying the missing entries (such as booktitle, publisher, etc.) to the crossreferencing entry, and then creating a new entry in the publication list only if the same item is crossref'ed by min-crossrefs (default=2) normal entries. Is this indeed the case? If so, is there a simple fix (e.g. some option that is not in the m-bib documentation)? Or is there some other bibliography package that handles bibtex crossrefs properly? Thanks, William D. Neumann --- "Well I could be a genius, if I just put my mind to it. And I...I could do anything, if only I could get 'round to it. Oh we were brought up on the space-race, now they expect you to clean toilets. When you've seen how big the world is, how can you make do with this? If you want me, I'll be sleeping in - sleeping in throughout these glory days." -- Jarvis Cocker ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* ConTeXt and emacs 2003-11-28 20:28 ` m-bib and crossref William D. Neumann @ 2003-11-29 14:50 ` Thomas A.Schmitz 2003-11-30 0:49 ` Patrick Gundlach 2003-11-30 4:24 ` Matthew Huggett 2003-12-01 10:45 ` m-bib and crossref Taco Hoekwater 1 sibling, 2 replies; 45+ messages in thread From: Thomas A.Schmitz @ 2003-11-29 14:50 UTC (permalink / raw) Dear co-listers, I'm (very slowly) trying to use emacs with ConTeXt. I have tried Berend de Boers context.el which offers a good many nice features, but I couldn't find for the life of me how to do a couple of things (such as run texexec on the file I'm editing). A while ago, Patrick mentioned that new versions of auctex will be context-aware, but the "stable" version I dlded knew nothing about ConTeXt. Has anybody succeeded in installing a new version that's working? Any how-tos about it? Best Thomas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: ConTeXt and emacs 2003-11-29 14:50 ` ConTeXt and emacs Thomas A.Schmitz @ 2003-11-30 0:49 ` Patrick Gundlach 2003-11-30 9:34 ` Thomas A.Schmitz 2003-11-30 4:24 ` Matthew Huggett 1 sibling, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2003-11-30 0:49 UTC (permalink / raw) Hello Thomas [...] > as run texexec on the file I'm editing). A while ago, Patrick > mentioned that new versions of auctex will be context-aware, but the > "stable" version I dlded knew nothing about ConTeXt. It is in the cvs-version of AUCTeX. > Has anybody succeeded in installing a new version that's working? > Any how-tos about it? Do you know how to use cvs? If yes, look at http://savannah.nongnu.org/cvs/?group=auctex for instructions on cvs access. Patrick -- You are your own rainbow! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: ConTeXt and emacs 2003-11-30 0:49 ` Patrick Gundlach @ 2003-11-30 9:34 ` Thomas A.Schmitz 2003-11-30 20:12 ` Patrick Gundlach 0 siblings, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Thomas A.Schmitz @ 2003-11-30 9:34 UTC (permalink / raw) Hi Patrick, sorry, I'm too dumb for CVS. I succeeded in finding your file context.el and dlding it, but how do I make it work in auctex? Is it sufficient to just copy it into site-lisp/auctex/ ? I guess I'll have to modify tex-site.el, right? Sorry for those stooooopid questions, but these are my first steps with emacs--it took me ages just to find out how to make it use mac-roman in the right way so I could use files in it and TeXShop. Best Thomas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: ConTeXt and emacs 2003-11-30 9:34 ` Thomas A.Schmitz @ 2003-11-30 20:12 ` Patrick Gundlach 0 siblings, 0 replies; 45+ messages in thread From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2003-11-30 20:12 UTC (permalink / raw) Hello Thomas, > sorry, I'm too dumb for CVS. I succeeded in finding your file > context.el and dlding it, but how do I make it work in auctex? Is it > sufficient to just copy it into site-lisp/auctex/ ? Oh, no. context.el only works with the cvs version of the other files that come with AUCTeX. > I guess I'll have to modify tex-site.el, right? Sorry for those > stooooopid questions, but these are my first steps with emacs--it > took me ages just to find out how to make it use mac-roman in the > right way so I could use files in it and TeXShop. If you are interested, I can send you the current cvs version of AUCTeX off-list. You need to follow the install-instructions that are mentioned in file README.CVS. But: you need autoconf installed on your system for the cvs version. Patrick -- You are your own rainbow! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: ConTeXt and emacs 2003-11-29 14:50 ` ConTeXt and emacs Thomas A.Schmitz 2003-11-30 0:49 ` Patrick Gundlach @ 2003-11-30 4:24 ` Matthew Huggett 1 sibling, 0 replies; 45+ messages in thread From: Matthew Huggett @ 2003-11-30 4:24 UTC (permalink / raw) Thomas A.Schmitz wrote: > Dear co-listers, > > I'm (very slowly) trying to use emacs with ConTeXt. I have tried > Berend de Boers context.el which offers a good many nice features, but > I couldn't find for the life of me how to do a couple of things (such > as run texexec on the file I'm editing). In Emacs, to process a file with texexec you can select "TeX file" from the TeX menu or you can hit C-c C-f. (providing context.el is loaded) If you need to run texexec with any switches, I guess you could start up eshell (M-x eshell) and do it manually from there. Matt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: m-bib and crossref 2003-11-28 20:28 ` m-bib and crossref William D. Neumann 2003-11-29 14:50 ` ConTeXt and emacs Thomas A.Schmitz @ 2003-12-01 10:45 ` Taco Hoekwater 2003-12-01 19:00 ` William D. Neumann 1 sibling, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2003-12-01 10:45 UTC (permalink / raw) On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 13:28:51 -0700 (MST), William wrote: > But ConTeXt + m-bib produce: > [4] Jurjen N. E. Bos, and David Chaum, (1992). Provably unforgeable > signatures. In [??], pages 1-14. If you run ConTeXt one more time, you will get: Jurjen N. E. Bos, and David Chaum, (1992). Provably unforgeable signatures. In (Brickell, 1992), pages 1-14. The module inserts a 'default' \cite command for the referenced item. This is exactly the behavior I intended, even if it is not compatible with LaTeX practise. Personally I like 'real' cross-referencing better than filling in fields in order to minimize the number of keystrokes in the BIB file. Unfortunately, there is an error in the code that prevents the referenced entry from automatically appearing in the publication list. A quick hack: replace '\completepublications' with \setbox0\vbox{\placepublications} \completepublications This will essentially typeset the list twice, the internal \cite will be processed in the first pass, and will therefore be known in the second pass. I have written down this bug for a future release, implementing a clean solution for this bug is too hard for me to allow me to write a fix right this instant. > Is this indeed the case? If so, is there a simple fix (e.g. some option > that is not in the m-bib documentation)? Or is there some other > bibliography package that handles bibtex crossrefs properly? I don't think there is any other package. If there was, I wouldnt have written m-bib in the first place. A little side note: "-min-crossrefs" is not applicable since the entire database *always* appears in the bbl file. This is a problem that is caused indirectly by the fact that Bibtex is not a generic bibliographic manager, but instead is a LaTeX-centric data preprocessor. :-/ Greetings, Taco ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: m-bib and crossref 2003-12-01 10:45 ` m-bib and crossref Taco Hoekwater @ 2003-12-01 19:00 ` William D. Neumann 2003-12-04 8:48 ` Taco Hoekwater 0 siblings, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: William D. Neumann @ 2003-12-01 19:00 UTC (permalink / raw) On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > If you run ConTeXt one more time, you will get: > > Jurjen N. E. Bos, and David Chaum, (1992). Provably unforgeable signatures. > In (Brickell, 1992), pages 1-14. > > The module inserts a 'default' \cite command for the referenced item. This is > exactly the behavior I intended, even if it is not compatible with LaTeX practise. > Personally I like 'real' cross-referencing better than filling in fields in order to > minimize the number of keystrokes in the BIB file. I suppose that's a valid sentiment, although it saves many, many keystrokes when your bib file is full of proceedings and journal articles. Plus it looks fairly silly to reference the proceedings when you reference only one or two of the articles in it (the same goes for books, journals, etc.). Oh well... until I'm willing to write my own package I suppose I have to play along or go back to LaTeX. > Unfortunately, there is an error in the code that prevents the referenced entry > from automatically appearing in the publication list. > > A quick hack: replace '\completepublications' with > > \setbox0\vbox{\placepublications} > \completepublications Thanks, however there is a slight problem with this method: When I use refcommand=num and numbering=yes (which is required for some publications), then the crossreference in the article entry is corect, e.g. [4] Jurjen N. E. Bos, and David Chaum, (1992). Provably unforgeable signatures. In [11], pages 1-14. However, the entry for the proceedings themselves have the wrong number, they get reset and start over from 1 e.g. [1] Ernest F. Brickell, , editor (1992). 12th Annual International Cryptology Conference, Santa Barbara, California, USA, August 16-20, 1992, Proceedings, number 740 in Lecture Notes in Computer Science. , Springer. Do You know of any way around this, or am I just going to have to manually edit the bbl file? Two more questions: 1: Whenever a reference includes an editor, it is typeset as: (Editor Name), , rest of reference (see above for example). I've tried playing around with the various namesep settings, but I can't get rid of that second ", " pair. How do I get rid of it? 2: As you can see above, I've selected \normalauthor for the typesetting of names in the references, however, whenever a publication has three or more authors, the names are typest in the apa \invertedshortauthor format. Is there some way to override this? Thanks for the help and for the package -- I would hate to have to manually create my list of references for every paper I write. William D. Neumann --- "Well I could be a genius, if I just put my mind to it. And I...I could do anything, if only I could get 'round to it. Oh we were brought up on the space-race, now they expect you to clean toilets. When you've seen how big the world is, how can you make do with this? If you want me, I'll be sleeping in - sleeping in throughout these glory days." -- Jarvis Cocker ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: m-bib and crossref 2003-12-01 19:00 ` William D. Neumann @ 2003-12-04 8:48 ` Taco Hoekwater 2003-12-05 19:20 ` Peter Münster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 45+ messages in thread From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2003-12-04 8:48 UTC (permalink / raw) On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:00:08 -0700 (MST), William wrote: > > Personally I like 'real' cross-referencing better than filling in fields in order to > > minimize the number of keystrokes in the BIB file. > > I suppose that's a valid sentiment, although it saves many, many > keystrokes when your bib file is full of proceedings and journal articles. > Plus it looks fairly silly to reference the proceedings when you reference > only one or two of the articles in it (the same goes for books, journals, > etc.). Oh well... until I'm willing to write my own package I suppose I > have to play along or go back to LaTeX. If there are more people that agree with you I might change my mind ... > However, the entry for the proceedings themselves have the wrong number, > they get reset and start over from 1 e.g. > > Do You know of any way around this, or am I just going to have to manually > edit the bbl file? You could always \cite the proceedings manually. If you put the reference in a \setbox command it wont show up in the running text, like so: \setbox0\hbox{\cite[XX]} Wrt to your other questions: could you send me your input file(s) or the exact settings you used? It will be (a lot) easier to re-enact your observations if I do not have to guess and invent stuff myself. -- groeten, Taco ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: m-bib and crossref 2003-12-04 8:48 ` Taco Hoekwater @ 2003-12-05 19:20 ` Peter Münster 0 siblings, 0 replies; 45+ messages in thread From: Peter Münster @ 2003-12-05 19:20 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Taco Hoekwater wrote: > On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:00:08 -0700 (MST), William wrote: > > > > I suppose that's a valid sentiment, although it saves many, many > > keystrokes when your bib file is full of proceedings and journal articles. > > Plus it looks fairly silly to reference the proceedings when you reference > > only one or two of the articles in it (the same goes for books, journals, > > etc.). Oh well... until I'm willing to write my own package I suppose I > > have to play along or go back to LaTeX. > > If there are more people that agree with you I might change my mind ... Hello, me too, I agree. I'm just beginning to learn ConTeXt, but soon I'll have some application of your bib-module. Cheers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ ------------------------------------ Film Search site: http://f-s.sf.net/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
* Re: news / bold math 2003-11-26 14:58 news / bold math Hans Hagen ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2003-11-27 19:47 ` Mikael Persson @ 2003-11-29 0:08 ` Adam Lindsay 3 siblings, 0 replies; 45+ messages in thread From: Adam Lindsay @ 2003-11-29 0:08 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1349 bytes --] Hans Hagen said this at Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:58:55 +0100: >bold math and mixed bold math; only defined for lucida (dunno other bold >math fonts yet) Very cool. I'm trying it with Euler, and it almost works. However, the [size] typescript finds the namespace too crowded... well, as far as I can tell, the size definitions done by: \usetypescript[boldmath][euler][size] are knocked aside by: \usetypescript[math][euler][size] The best case gets the normal weight, the boldmath bodyfont, and \bfm weight available. Either normal or bold has the different design sizes (10, 7, 5pt) applied, but not both at once. From what I understand (and my font knowledge is still limited--I don't know how or where the size typescripts get called), this will be an issue in supporting cmr boldmath as well. Does anyone else have some insight? If you'd like to try them out, my current files are attached. They depend on the virtual euler package: <http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/eulervm.html? action=/tex-archive/fonts/> adam -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Computing Dept, Lancaster University +44(0)1524/594.537 Lancaster, LA1 4YR, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/593.608 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [-- Attachment #2: eulerbold.zip --] [-- Type: application/zip, Size: 3509 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 45+ messages in thread
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