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Hmm, I'll make an effort to be a LaTeX user and also ConTeXt user. Best regards, Atsuhito Kohda 2019=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5(=E9=87=91) 0:56 Alan Braslau : > On Thu, 4 Jul 2019 11:16:22 -0400 (EDT) > Aditya Mahajan wrote: > > > > BTW, I constantly convert Beamer documents into ConTeXt's > > > simpleslide documents recently and it is very convenient > > > if I can use \pmatrix{a&b\cr c&d\cr} style because it is similar > > > to LaTeX documents. > > > > You can create a private module with the definitions that you need. > > If these are general enough, then you can also release it as a third > > party module for others to use. I don't see the value of adding (and > > maintaining!) a module that provides LaTeX compatibility as part of > > the core. > > LaTeX compatibility is desired (by some) > 1) when new to Context, coming from LaTeX and learning a new system; > 2) for ConTeXt users who are *required* to sometimes use LaTeX, > for example in submissions to journals etc. that accept LaTeX but > cannot handle Context sources. > > One gets over the first case rather quickly and then there is no > going back: the philosophies are so different. > > In the second case, I restrict myself to a strict use of the journal's > own template (for example with revtex), never asking for anything more > nor anything less. > > In a third situation of editors who give lip service to accepting TeX > submissions, I give them plain text for they are going to re-key in > everything in any case. I provide them with a pdf that they can use > to correct their markup. > > Alan > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > --0000000000000b577b058cf7ac3d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Alan,

> 1) when new to Conte= xt, coming from LaTeX and learning a new system;
...
> One gets ov= er the first case rather quickly and then there is no
> going back: t= he philosophies are so different.

Hmm, I'll make an effort to be= a LaTeX user and also ConTeXt user.

Best regards,
Atsuhito Kohda=

= 2019=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=885=E6=97=A5(=E9=87=91) 0:56 Alan Braslau <braslau.list@comcast.net>:
<= /div>
On Thu, 4 Jul 2019 1= 1:16:22 -0400 (EDT)
Aditya Mahajan <a= dityam@umich.edu> wrote:

> > BTW, I constantly convert Beamer documents into ConTeXt's
> > simpleslide documents recently and it is very convenient
> > if I can use \pmatrix{a&b\cr c&d\cr} style because it is = similar
> > to LaTeX documents.=C2=A0
>
> You can create a private module with the definitions that you need. > If these are general enough, then you can also release it as a third > party module for others to use. I don't see the value of adding (a= nd
> maintaining!) a module that provides LaTeX compatibility as part of > the core.

LaTeX compatibility is desired (by some)
1) when new to Context, coming from LaTeX and learning a new system;
2) for ConTeXt users who are *required* to sometimes use LaTeX,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0for example in submissions to journals etc. that accept LaTeX = but
=C2=A0 =C2=A0cannot handle Context sources.

One gets over the first case rather quickly and then there is no
going back: the philosophies are so different.

In the second case, I restrict myself to a strict use of the journal's<= br> own template (for example with revtex), never asking for anything more
nor anything less.

In a third situation of editors who give lip service to accepting TeX
submissions, I give them plain text for they are going to re-key in
everything in any case. I provide them with a pdf that they can use
to correct their markup.

Alan
___________________________________________________________________________= ________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki!

maillist : ntg-cont= ext@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/nt= g-context
webpage=C2=A0 : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net=
archive=C2=A0 : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-m= irror/commits/
wiki=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________= ________
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