* page ends with a section title followed by a table
@ 2020-11-10 8:55 Sylvain Hubert
2020-11-10 14:59 ` Pablo Rodriguez
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From: Sylvain Hubert @ 2020-11-10 8:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Dear List,
In the following example, the section title appears at the very end of the
first page.
\showframe
\starttext
\dorecurse{94}{a b c }\\
\dorecurse{94}{a b c }\\
\dorecurse{94}{a b c }\\
\dorecurse{94}{a b c }\\
\dorecurse{94}{a b c }\\
\dorecurse{30}{a b c }
\section{title}
\startxtable
\startxrow
\startxcell[ny=10]a\stopxcell\startxcell 1\stopxcell
\stopxrow
\dorecurse{9}{\startxrow\startxcell 2\stopxcell\stopxrow}
\stopxtable
\stoptext
Does anyone know where to adjust the penalty in this case, so that the
section title can be repositioned to the next page?
Thanks!
Best,
Sylvain
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* Re: page ends with a section title followed by a table
2020-11-10 8:55 page ends with a section title followed by a table Sylvain Hubert
@ 2020-11-10 14:59 ` Pablo Rodriguez
2020-11-10 16:11 ` Sylvain Hubert
2020-11-10 16:52 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Pablo Rodriguez @ 2020-11-10 14:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On 11/10/20 9:55 AM, Sylvain Hubert wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> In the following example, the section title appears at the very end of
> the first page.
> [...]
> Does anyone know where to adjust the penalty in this case, so that the
> section title can be repositioned to the next page?
Hi Sylvain,
\setuphead[title]
[before={\blank[preference, big],
after={\blank[samepage, big]]
In this case, the blank space before sets a preference for inserting a
page break. The blank space after requires to be in the same page with
next paragraph.
Of course, you don’t need both simultaneously.
Just in case it helps,
Pablo
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* Re: page ends with a section title followed by a table
2020-11-10 14:59 ` Pablo Rodriguez
@ 2020-11-10 16:11 ` Sylvain Hubert
2020-11-10 16:23 ` Sylvain Hubert
2020-11-10 16:52 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Sylvain Hubert @ 2020-11-10 16:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 16:00, Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es> wrote:
> On 11/10/20 9:55 AM, Sylvain Hubert wrote:
> > Dear List,
> >
> > In the following example, the section title appears at the very end of
> > the first page.
> > [...]
> > Does anyone know where to adjust the penalty in this case, so that the
> > section title can be repositioned to the next page?
>
> Hi Sylvain,
>
> \setuphead[title]
> [before={\blank[preference, big],
> after={\blank[samepage, big]]
>
> In this case, the blank space before sets a preference for inserting a
> page break. The blank space after requires to be in the same page with
> next paragraph.
>
> Of course, you don’t need both simultaneously.
>
> Just in case it helps,
>
> Pablo
>
Hello Pablo,
Thank you very much for the help. The penalty of \blank indeed brings the
solution closer and it does format the previous example correctly.
However, when I went back to the original document, neither
[before={\blank[preference, big]}] nor [after={\blank[samepage, big]}] nor
both worked. I trimmed it into the following example which behaves the same:
\starttext
\showframe
\dorecurse{50}{a }
\startsection[title=spec][before={\blank[preference,big]},
after={\blank[samepage,big]}]
\startxtable
\startxrow
\startxcell[ny=30]a\stopxcell\startxcell 1\stopxcell
\stopxrow
\dorecurse{29}{\startxrow\startxcell 2\stopxcell\stopxrow}
\stopxtable
\stoptext
Do you have an idea on how this could also be formatted correctly or how
one could inspect and debug the penalty?
Thanks again!
Sylvain
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* Re: page ends with a section title followed by a table
2020-11-10 16:11 ` Sylvain Hubert
@ 2020-11-10 16:23 ` Sylvain Hubert
2020-11-10 16:36 ` Pablo Rodriguez
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From: Sylvain Hubert @ 2020-11-10 16:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
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My mistake, but the problem survives the fix:
\setuphead[section][after={\blank[samepage,big]}]
\starttext
\showframe
\dorecurse{50}{a }
\startsection[title=spec]
\startxtable
\startxrow
\startxcell[ny=30]a\stopxcell\startxcell 1\stopxcell
\stopxrow
\dorecurse{29}{\startxrow\startxcell 2\stopxcell\stopxrow}
\stopxtable
\stoptext
Sylvain
On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 17:11, Sylvain Hubert <champignoom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 16:00, Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es> wrote:
>
>> On 11/10/20 9:55 AM, Sylvain Hubert wrote:
>> > Dear List,
>> >
>> > In the following example, the section title appears at the very end of
>> > the first page.
>> > [...]
>> > Does anyone know where to adjust the penalty in this case, so that the
>> > section title can be repositioned to the next page?
>>
>> Hi Sylvain,
>>
>> \setuphead[title]
>> [before={\blank[preference, big],
>> after={\blank[samepage, big]]
>>
>> In this case, the blank space before sets a preference for inserting a
>> page break. The blank space after requires to be in the same page with
>> next paragraph.
>>
>> Of course, you don’t need both simultaneously.
>>
>> Just in case it helps,
>>
>> Pablo
>>
>
> Hello Pablo,
>
> Thank you very much for the help. The penalty of \blank indeed brings the
> solution closer and it does format the previous example correctly.
>
> However, when I went back to the original document, neither
> [before={\blank[preference, big]}] nor [after={\blank[samepage, big]}] nor
> both worked. I trimmed it into the following example which behaves the same:
>
> \starttext
> \showframe
> \dorecurse{50}{a }
> \startsection[title=spec][before={\blank[preference,big]},
> after={\blank[samepage,big]}]
> \startxtable
> \startxrow
> \startxcell[ny=30]a\stopxcell\startxcell 1\stopxcell
> \stopxrow
> \dorecurse{29}{\startxrow\startxcell 2\stopxcell\stopxrow}
> \stopxtable
> \stoptext
>
> Do you have an idea on how this could also be formatted correctly or how
> one could inspect and debug the penalty?
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Sylvain
>
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* Re: page ends with a section title followed by a table
2020-11-10 16:23 ` Sylvain Hubert
@ 2020-11-10 16:36 ` Pablo Rodriguez
2020-11-10 16:57 ` Sylvain Hubert
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From: Pablo Rodriguez @ 2020-11-10 16:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On 11/10/20 5:23 PM, Sylvain Hubert wrote:
> My mistake, but the problem survives the fix:
>
> \setuphead[section][after={\blank[samepage,big]}]
> \starttext
> \showframe
> \dorecurse{50}{a }
> \startsection[title=spec]
> \startxtable
Hi Sylvain,
no fix is required when you allow the table to be split:
\startxtable[split=yes]
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* Re: page ends with a section title followed by a table
2020-11-10 14:59 ` Pablo Rodriguez
2020-11-10 16:11 ` Sylvain Hubert
@ 2020-11-10 16:52 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2020-11-10 17:06 ` Sylvain Hubert
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2020-11-10 16:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Pablo Rodriguez
Pablo Rodriguez schrieb am 10.11.2020 um 15:59:
> On 11/10/20 9:55 AM, Sylvain Hubert wrote:
>> Dear List,
>>
>> In the following example, the section title appears at the very end of
>> the first page.
>> [...]
>> Does anyone know where to adjust the penalty in this case, so that the
>> section title can be repositioned to the next page?
> Hi Sylvain,
>
> \setuphead[title]
> [before={\blank[preference, big],
> after={\blank[samepage, big]]
>
> In this case, the blank space before sets a preference for inserting a
> page break. The blank space after requires to be in the same page with
> next paragraph.
Another method is to move the section title to the next page when the
remaining spaces
is below a specified number of lines. The following setup forces a page
break when
less than 4 lines remain on the current page.
\setuphead
[section]
[before={\testpage[4]\blank[2*big]}]
Wolfgang
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* Re: page ends with a section title followed by a table
2020-11-10 16:36 ` Pablo Rodriguez
@ 2020-11-10 16:57 ` Sylvain Hubert
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From: Sylvain Hubert @ 2020-11-10 16:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 17:37, Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es> wrote:
> On 11/10/20 5:23 PM, Sylvain Hubert wrote:
> > My mistake, but the problem survives the fix:
> >
> > \setuphead[section][after={\blank[samepage,big]}]
> > \starttext
> > \showframe
> > \dorecurse{50}{a }
> > \startsection[title=spec]
> > \startxtable
> Hi Sylvain,
>
> no fix is required when you allow the table to be split:
>
> \startxtable[split=yes]
>
> Pablo
>
Hi Pablo,
Thanks for the suggestion, but unlike the MWE, in the original document,
the table has ten rows and is visually not suitable for a split. The large
row span is meant to represent this restriction.
Sylvain
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* Re: page ends with a section title followed by a table
2020-11-10 16:52 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2020-11-10 17:06 ` Sylvain Hubert
2020-11-10 17:25 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Sylvain Hubert @ 2020-11-10 17:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 17:54, Wolfgang Schuster <
wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pablo Rodriguez schrieb am 10.11.2020 um 15:59:
> > On 11/10/20 9:55 AM, Sylvain Hubert wrote:
> >> Dear List,
> >>
> >> In the following example, the section title appears at the very end of
> >> the first page.
> >> [...]
> >> Does anyone know where to adjust the penalty in this case, so that the
> >> section title can be repositioned to the next page?
> > Hi Sylvain,
> >
> > \setuphead[title]
> > [before={\blank[preference, big],
> > after={\blank[samepage, big]]
> >
> > In this case, the blank space before sets a preference for inserting a
> > page break. The blank space after requires to be in the same page with
> > next paragraph.
>
> Another method is to move the section title to the next page when the
> remaining spaces
> is below a specified number of lines. The following setup forces a page
> break when
> less than 4 lines remain on the current page.
>
> \setuphead
> [section]
> [before={\testpage[4]\blank[2*big]}]
>
> Wolfgang
>
Hi Wolfgang,
Thanks for the suggestion, but as illustrated by the second example, copied
here, where the section title is at the top of the page:
\starttext
\showframe
\dorecurse{50}{a }
\startsection[title=spec][before={\blank[preference,big]},
after={\blank[samepage,big]}]
\startxtable
\startxrow
\startxcell[ny=30]a\stopxcell\startxcell 1\stopxcell
\stopxrow
\dorecurse{29}{\startxrow\startxcell 2\stopxcell\stopxrow}
\stopxtable
\stoptext
it is sometimes difficult to predict how much remaining space should
trigger a line break.
Sylvain
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* Re: page ends with a section title followed by a table
2020-11-10 17:06 ` Sylvain Hubert
@ 2020-11-10 17:25 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2020-11-10 18:11 ` Sylvain Hubert
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2020-11-10 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Sylvain Hubert
Sylvain Hubert schrieb am 10.11.2020 um 18:06:
> Thanks for the suggestion, but as illustrated by the second example,
> copied here, where the section title is at the top of the page:
>
> \starttext
> \showframe
> \dorecurse{50}{a }
> \startsection[title=spec][before={\blank[preference,big]},
> after={\blank[samepage,big]}]
Your settings in the second argument of \startsection make no sense
because the optional argument is for userdata (values like author etc.)
> \startxtable
> \startxrow
> \startxcell[ny=30]a\stopxcell\startxcell 1\stopxcell
> \stopxrow
> \dorecurse{29}{\startxrow\startxcell 2\stopxcell\stopxrow}
> \stopxtable
> \stoptext
>
> it is sometimes difficult to predict how much remaining space should
> trigger a line break.
You can either reformat your table or put the table in a float
environment to move it to a place where it fits.
Wolfgang
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* Re: page ends with a section title followed by a table
2020-11-10 17:25 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2020-11-10 18:11 ` Sylvain Hubert
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 18:25, Wolfgang Schuster <
wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sylvain Hubert schrieb am 10.11.2020 um 18:06:
>
> > Thanks for the suggestion, but as illustrated by the second example,
> > copied here, where the section title is at the top of the page:
> >
> > \starttext
> > \showframe
> > \dorecurse{50}{a }
> > \startsection[title=spec][before={\blank[preference,big]},
> > after={\blank[samepage,big]}]
>
> Your settings in the second argument of \startsection make no sense
> because the optional argument is for userdata (values like author etc.)
>
> > \startxtable
> > \startxrow
> > \startxcell[ny=30]a\stopxcell\startxcell 1\stopxcell
> > \stopxrow
> > \dorecurse{29}{\startxrow\startxcell 2\stopxcell\stopxrow}
> > \stopxtable
> > \stoptext
> >
> > it is sometimes difficult to predict how much remaining space should
> > trigger a line break.
>
> You can either reformat your table or put the table in a float
> environment to move it to a place where it fits.
>
> Wolfgang
>
Weirdly enough, "\hskip 0pt" solves the problem.
\setuphead[section][after={\blank[samepage]\hskip 0pt}]
\starttext
\showframe
\dorecurse{50}{a }
\startsection[title=spec]
\startxtable
\startxrow
\startxcell[ny=30]a\stopxcell\startxcell 1\stopxcell
\stopxrow
\dorecurse{29}{\startxrow\startxcell 2\stopxcell\stopxrow}
\stopxtable
\stoptext
Sylvain
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2020-11-10 18:11 ` Sylvain Hubert
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2020-11-10 18:41 ` Sylvain Hubert
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Sylvain Hubert schrieb am 10.11.2020 um 19:11:
> Weirdly enough, "\hskip 0pt" solves the problem.
>
> \setuphead[section][after={\blank[samepage]\hskip 0pt}]
> \starttext
> \showframe
> \dorecurse{50}{a }
> \startsection[title=spec]
> \startxtable
What happens when you \hskip is that you switch to horizontal
mode and the preferred to do this is to use \dontleavehmode.
\dontleavehmode
\startxtable
Wolfgang
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* Re: page ends with a section title followed by a table
2020-11-10 18:23 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2020-11-10 18:41 ` Sylvain Hubert
2020-11-10 20:55 ` Aditya Mahajan
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From: Sylvain Hubert @ 2020-11-10 18:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Wolfgang Schuster, mailing list for ConTeXt users
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 19:23, Wolfgang Schuster <
wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sylvain Hubert schrieb am 10.11.2020 um 19:11:
>
> > Weirdly enough, "\hskip 0pt" solves the problem.
> >
> > \setuphead[section][after={\blank[samepage]\hskip 0pt}]
> > \starttext
> > \showframe
> > \dorecurse{50}{a }
> > \startsection[title=spec]
> > \startxtable
>
>
> What happens when you \hskip is that you switch to horizontal
> mode and the preferred to do this is to use \dontleavehmode.
>
> \dontleavehmode
> \startxtable
>
> Wolfgang
>
Indeed. Thanks for the information!
For the record, this is how the problem is finally solved:
\setuphead[section][after={\blank[sampage]}]
\begingroup\setupindenting[no]\dontleavehmode\startxtable …
\stopxtable\endgroup
Sylvain
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2020-11-10 18:41 ` Sylvain Hubert
@ 2020-11-10 20:55 ` Aditya Mahajan
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From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2020-11-10 20:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, Sylvain Hubert wrote:
> Indeed. Thanks for the information!
>
> For the record, this is how the problem is finally solved:
>
> \setuphead[section][after={\blank[sampage]}]
> \begingroup\setupindenting[no]\dontleavehmode\startxtable …
> \stopxtable\endgroup
Unless you have other reasons to create a group, you can just use:
\noindentation\dontleavehmode
\startxtable
...
\stopxtable
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