Re: OT: Reflections on usability ConTeXt for typesetting of mathematics

[Fabrice Couvreur <fabrice1.couvreur@gmail.com>]

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Hi,
Unless I am mistaken, Cambria is a font available for Windows. I'm using
Linux, is it possible to install ? Is it free ? If yes, where can I download
it ?

Xits, I do not know.

Is it possible to put the "uppercase = right"  in math mode with Pagella ?
thank you,
Fabrice


2014-02-11 9:57 GMT+01:00 Mikael P. Sundqvist <mickep@gmail.com>:

> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>
>> On 2/10/2014 9:24 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I used ConTeXt (mkii) to write my PhD thesis in Mathematics in 2008. It
>>> worked just fine.
>>>
>>> At the moment I write some exams and hand-outs using ConTeXt, but
>>> research using LaTeX (since the journals do not really accept ConTeXt
>>> and my collaborators dont know ConTeXt).
>>>
>>> It certainly works OK to write math in ConTeXt, but I have a feeling
>>> that there are some things that are somewhat broken or not finetuned to
>>> output what mathematicians expect. Look at the attached pdf files [1]
>>> l.pdf (from LaTeX) and c.pdf (from latest standalone ConTeXt), with
>>> source l.tex and c.tex for some examples.
>>>
>>
>> In mkiv we follow some alternative approaches compared to mkii (and
>> probably other tex macro packages) and some aspects indeed might need
>> tuning (or more configuration options) .. I try hard to get away from
>> hackery solutions (for several reasons).
>>
>
> I agree it is good to avoid hackery as long as possible, and I for sure is
> ready to relearn how to write some things. With the examples I gave in the
> previous email in mind:
>
> * How am I supposed to write first derivative (f') and second derivative
> (f'') in such a way that they have the same type of prime (the prime in the
> first derivative is the one I prefer)?
> * How am I supposed to write f_xx'' to get the output as in the LaTeX
> example (i.e. so that the primes are over the xx)?
> * Could the default placement of limits in integrals be changed
> (integral=nolimits)? This is how it is done in almost all math books).
> * What about the size and finetuning of placement of indices in integrals
> and sums (and probably products, unions, ...)?
> * I remember I suggested that \| should be double bars in a previous
> thread on this list. Is there any drawback in giving double bars for \|? Of
> course I can relearn and use \lVert and \rVert, but I have a feeling that
> if we want people moving from LaTeX to ConTeXt, then this is the kind of
> things that should just work as expected...
>
> Best regards, Mikael
>
>
>
>>
>>  When it comes to math environments, I think that thanks to the
>>> environments in http://dl.contextgarden.net/myway/mathalign.pdf
>>> <http://dl.contextgarden..net/myway/mathalign.pdf> we are OK. I
>>>
>>> sometimes miss the multline(d) environment from LaTeX.
>>>
>>> Best regards, Mikael
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> The attachments were too big, so I decided to put the pdf files on
>>> http://www.maths.lth.se/~mickep/l.pdf
>>> and
>>> http://www.maths.lth.se/~mickep/c.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Jaroslav Hajtmar <hajtmar@gyza.cz
>>> <mailto:hajtmar@gyza.cz>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hello ConTeXist.
>>>     I am very sorry for this OFF TOPIC contribution.
>>>
>>>     For writing of this text led me several hours of searching on
>>>     internet. I was looking for ways to typing of non-elementary math in
>>>     ConTeXt
>>>
>>>     Already a long time I use ConTeXt typesetting lot of different
>>>     things and I am very satisfied. In the many things, of which I
>>>     typed, was maths represented only marginally and minimally. Now I
>>>     need to type some mathematics (at secondary school level) and I
>>>     found that I came across borders of my knowledge of ConTeXt, or on
>>>     possibilities of ConTeXt for typesetting of mathematics.
>>>     I do not in any way call into question the ability of ConTeXt
>>>     typesetting mathematics, although I think that who wants to type
>>>     mathematics then use LaTeX.
>>>     I want find experience of users of ConTeXt for real using of ConTeXt
>>>     for typesetting of mathematics. I wonder how users use possible math
>>>     modules (exist anything?) to be usable results.
>>>
>>>     I have a few questions:
>>>
>>>     0. Do you think that this is only a problem for beginners of ConText
>>>     or it is a general problem of ConTeXt?
>>>     1. How many of ConTeXt users use this tool for typesetting of
>>>     non-elementary mathematics?
>>>     2. Are you satisfied with the results, which produces ConTeXt
>>>     (thinking in the field of mathematics rate)?
>>>     3. What things do you need to have in ConTeXt study that one could
>>>     bet mathematics at a reasonable level?
>>>     4. Is ConTeXt able to substitute LaTeX to typesetting of math (e.g.
>>>     in the future)?
>>>     5. Can you think of any more questions that should be here?
>>>
>>>
>>>     I hope that my question will help other beginners who would like to
>>>     typing of mathematics use ConText - this unique and useful tool.
>>>
>>>     Thanks for all the answers.
>>>
>>>     Jaroslav Hajtmar
>>>
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