From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 6167 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2023 07:28:30 -0000 Received: from zapf.ntg.nl (5.39.185.232) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Jun 2023 07:28:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 722F81C3922; Fri, 2 Jun 2023 09:28:06 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at zapf.ntg.nl Received: from zapf.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zapf.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T8ozuSYzoBGP; Fri, 2 Jun 2023 09:28:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from zapf.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1742F1C391C; Fri, 2 Jun 2023 09:28:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900291C3922 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2023 09:28:00 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at zapf.ntg.nl Received: from zapf.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zapf.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xhgKEafYAttp for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2023 09:27:59 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=209.85.128.172; helo=mail-yw1-f172.google.com; envelope-from=melroch@gmail.com; receiver= Received: from mail-yw1-f172.google.com (mail-yw1-f172.google.com [209.85.128.172]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E0271C02FF for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2023 09:27:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail-yw1-f172.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-568900c331aso18392117b3.3 for ; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 00:27:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1685690877; x=1688282877; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=RsQP1KOyazAHdjrnhx4W2C3VDD7XQyUraG1Oyp0ma2I=; b=ePGFdF41vYtchVCR+jsoy5ectm9fxTSwS+RINVpELPe3g2DsKro6VSDhzyxNPhFUZQ JZ4ou2XpFTwFu7NqlBpCRbrqPwwxGu1Tc9qpKvIw2f+/tika+tcB3FpRDFZDpDIhaaGT PdhjA4bwT4PwvTiAlsQWokj8ixHe+ezKW99iraWCyeN0IuSfsDc2eVfY3mAdoT29jkfy IRLfTCBSmqRDpkHXSyYiKtH53155YP8cwaHtHn4dylblItxkzUax76R/pz7s61UgM+Ol z4QYfH3unnwFnnv0LFvfxsCEGD56StVrcjIpjBI9ssopwnAwnKGolp5fYnGlYN1g4oFt 3nMw== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDy5RNJ1sPXll3VzNPQL6WmRm0z50icwP7OtheiokTWUwOTIM+FJ gEUkykr9R4V/ysnFyiA9uA6sdtneCDzPA7WonoGk7HrX X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ4PQh3bEmc2WuXLk7haONOj/t8R3W81SowWlwAMqxxjk6JgBLnvW8N1d3ja+QPRo3g/gtrG2LYbypqmyXb0c5w= X-Received: by 2002:a81:74c1:0:b0:544:9180:3104 with SMTP id p184-20020a8174c1000000b0054491803104mr12633087ywc.34.1685690877237; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 00:27:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4d6bfac1-1ce5-fff0-9309-b07b6879eb76@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <4d6bfac1-1ce5-fff0-9309-b07b6879eb76@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 09:27:45 +0200 Message-ID: To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Subject: Re: [NTG-context] knuth X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.38 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: BPJ via ntg-context Reply-To: bpj@melroch.se, mailing list for ConTeXt users Cc: BPJ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8683204650663686472==" Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sender: "ntg-context" --===============8683204650663686472== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f05fdc05fd207d53" --000000000000f05fdc05fd207d53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Den tors 1 juni 2023 11:48Hans Hagen via ntg-context skrev: > Hi, > > Probably some on this list already checked how well chatgpt answers > questions about domains one knows well and then probably noted that in > spite of impressive wording, one can run into quite incorrect answers. > > One can get really stupid responses about tex and friends, but also can > get impressive exmapled when asked for. (I'm still planning a wrap up of > some.) > > That said, one should read: > > https://cs.stanford.edu/~knuth/chatGPT20.txt > > and this makes a pretty nice new sample file: > > It's amazing how the confident tone lends credibility to all of that > made-up nonsense. Almost impossible for anybody without knowledge > of the book to believe that those "facts" aren't authorititative > and well researched. > > (among some other remarks) > I wonder what Knuth would say about having ChatGPT write computer programs, which I think can be outright dangerous. 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Den tors 1 juni 2023 11:48Hans Hagen via ntg-context &= lt;ntg-context@ntg.nl> skrev:<= br>
Hi,

Probably some on this list already checked how well chatgpt answers
questions about domains one knows well and then probably noted that in
spite of impressive wording, one can run into quite incorrect answers.

One can get really stupid responses about tex and friends, but also can get impressive exmapled when asked for. (I'm still planning a wrap up o= f
some.)

That said, one should read:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0https://cs.stanford.edu/~knuth= /chatGPT20.txt

and this makes a pretty nice new sample file:

It's amazing how the confident tone lends credibility to all of that made-up nonsense. Almost impossible for anybody without knowledge
of the book to believe that those "facts" aren't authorititat= ive
and well researched.

(among some other remarks)
I wonder what Knuth would say about having ChatGP= T write computer programs, which I think can be outright dangerous. Either = you get shitty code which doesn't work, which is good, or you get shitt= y code which works which is bad or Really Bad.

<= /div>

Hans

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