From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/79673 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Steve White Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: 'kern': TrueType table and GPOS lookup feature Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:08:07 +0100 Message-ID: References: <50B85B0E.1060703@web.de> <50B878C7.8080607@wxs.nl> <50B8D947.50003@wxs.nl> <50B8E134.2020207@meahan.net> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0152123976==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1354298899 14513 80.91.229.3 (30 Nov 2012 18:08:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 18:08:19 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Nov 30 19:08:32 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TeV0o-0004lv-W2 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:08:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D93B10330; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:08:19 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id num-rGXqdYm1; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:08:16 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA129101EE; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:08:15 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 506D4101EE for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:08:14 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id ZETkWrqrpYZD for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:08:10 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from filter3-utr.mf.surf.net (filter3-utr.mf.surf.net [195.169.124.154]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807FD101EC for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:08:10 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com (mail-oa0-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by filter3-utr.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id qAUI88Z9027905 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:08:09 +0100 Original-Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id k14so946602oag.14 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:08:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3uDWaeLu8yMD8lBO59/WPW4/9yCkqKJ4xyc82Wj85Vs=; b=p2HfVHqVl69hXbC57NFjtp4CTJkwcllaNDiYrjzOWgox9j/8+7VjbEDGx7VXnaEkQV vzQX+9xZRlE0bQ6b6p3sUBhMMZgFK1SF3TNWTR1OuP/UhU9NJR+TDONg+awFuciSw5x5 /gbQcVM4+7x0Cz7cjj1zB1e0hiBqFV7xUjKOigwcaeOBN4H8b4dNr3SmMBRHP2u+KHIL 83RhjRqMZIj4+EzFP73BDqVokkzV2hKYZmjpLia9zJBSijDqGM/t7mw9pghAIScaRKvk aEjJNdcVhgZuzmWJt27KOFtmlvzeYC+kmsugmSNGR7MqjGY1RbFXj7YtdC1hnFsIjotE 4NMQ== Original-Received: by 10.60.168.199 with SMTP id zy7mr1641790oeb.97.1354298887848; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:08:07 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.60.78.162 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:08:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50B8E134.2020207@meahan.net> X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=209.85.219.41; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 08ItS88TA - 20c96f29b7e4 - 20121130 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 195.169.124.154 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:79673 Archived-At: --===============0152123976== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54a38f821446304cfba48f5 --bcaec54a38f821446304cfba48f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Hans, Bill, Yes, I'm personally aware of how PDF works. This came from Pablo, who has since told me he was *not* referring to PDF files, but EPUB books. So he is referring to the native font renderer. That's all I know about it, except that kerning works on my own reader. Anyway, this really isn't a question for this forum. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Bill Meahan wrote: > On 11/30/2012 11:05 AM, Hans Hagen wrote: > >> On 11/30/2012 10:58 AM, Steve White wrote: >> >> 5) There was also a report that OpenType kerning doesn't work in some >>> E-Book readers (I know this isn't the forum for that, but ...) . My >>> iriver Story kerns very nicely text in FreeSerif. Can I get an example >>> of an E-reader for which kerning fails? (I really don't doubt that they >>> exist!) >>> >> >> Natively I suppose? If a pdf file is viewed on an ebook reader it's not >> the ereader's issue. >> >> Hans >> > > PDF preserves typography IF the fonts are on the machine or embedded in > the document. That includes kerning. > > EPUB and Kindle are based on XHTML and pay no attention to any typography > or kerning set by the creator. The *user* chooses the typeface and > line-spacing while the text width is either the width of the screen or the > width of the window if run on PC,Mac &al. Any kerning is strictly a > function of the E-reader and the particular typeface ("font") chosen by the > user. > > The EPUB3 spec alleviates this somewhat as it allows font embedding. > > > -- > Bill Meahan > Westland, Michigan USA > > > ______________________________**______________________________** > _______________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/** > listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/**projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ______________________________**______________________________** > _______________________ > --bcaec54a38f821446304cfba48f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Hans, Bill,

Yes, I'm personally aware of how PDF works.
This came from Pablo, who has since told me he was *not* referring to PDF= files, but EPUB books.=A0 So he is referring to the native font renderer.<= br>
That's all I know about it, except that kerning works on my own rea= der.

Anyway, this really isn't a question for this forum.


On Fri, Nov 30, = 2012 at 5:39 PM, Bill Meahan <subscribed_lists@meahan.net>= ; wrote:
On 11/30/2012 11:05 AM, Ha= ns Hagen wrote:
On 11/30/2012 10:58 AM, Steve White wrote:

5) There was also a report that OpenType kerning doesn't work in some E-Book readers (I know this isn't the forum for that, but ...) . =A0My<= br> iriver Story kerns very nicely text in FreeSerif. =A0Can I get an example of an E-reader for which kerning fails? =A0(I really don't doubt that t= hey
exist!)

Natively I suppose? If a pdf file is viewed on an ebook reader it's not= the ereader's issue.

Hans

PDF preserves typography IF the fonts are on the machine or embedded in the= document. That includes kerning.

EPUB and Kindle are based on XHTML and pay no attention to any typography o= r kerning set by the creator. The *user* chooses the typeface and line-spac= ing while the text width is either the width of the screen or the width of = the window if run on PC,Mac &al. Any kerning is strictly a function of = the E-reader and the particular typeface ("font") chosen by the u= ser.

The EPUB3 spec alleviates this somewhat as it allows font embedding.


--
Bill Meahan
Westland, Michigan USA


_____________________________________________________________= ______________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki!

maillist : ntg-cont= ext@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage =A0: http://= www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive =A0: http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki =A0 =A0 : http:= //contextgarden.net
_____________________________________________________________= ______________________

--bcaec54a38f821446304cfba48f5-- --===============0152123976== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ --===============0152123976==--