From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/78407 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sietse Brouwer Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Proposal: making [[article]] and [[Article]] equivalent on the wiki Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:44:53 +0200 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1348476327 9468 80.91.229.3 (24 Sep 2012 08:45:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 08:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Mojca Miklavec To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon Sep 24 10:45:32 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TG4IC-0002rP-VO for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:45:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD564101F9; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:45:23 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id buow-u1ixz7c; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:45:21 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41EA8101F1; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:45:21 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B81A101F1 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:45:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id WQvPgMOn3L3M for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:45:19 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter1-til.mf.surf.net (filter1-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.217]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B0D5101E8 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:45:19 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by filter1-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id q8O8jDBm020094 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:45:18 +0200 Original-Received: by ied10 with SMTP id 10so12862545ied.14 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 01:45:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=ezxO2bogEb1ddc+Ue+k+kh4xHsxgbilUvCyYF6Ep1Ro=; b=Z9SRDDZJCctwW/RLhx3vufBIHeJ5GQIzXwODigfu6+MORnmeetw48eYfWLyyk/a5s8 QCr/eX8MNxByxiwtDAWcct3MJweiQ1bucd6kHtN50KFbTxNhHI1xMr5zQDGV2Pognyhm AuCxBFhss1dU6VILclDSPy1VTuPOOLV9HS+80iXF+cTcSSqwW/jXLmObq/ETjerzdHfb ODjQnx036xl5/jVgFAJQOqO3vQfSdy5CFiDJI7kjxxfUhj//WNm9o7t6abDzc4RJJxRQ vindYR71WbvGdsJqDwUGKva70Be92Gghm/QfVzSUpBpGi3mboLNdaScaHgSrdc9f0V/q 2jRg== Original-Received: by 10.50.217.227 with SMTP id pb3mr4625117igc.28.1348476313166; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 01:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.64.31.67 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 01:44:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=209.85.223.169; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0RI2UJeVA - aee8d1cec9a0 - 20120924 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.217 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:78407 Archived-At: On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > Hello, > > did someone, by any chance, already make that change? No, it hasn't happened yet. What makes you ask? The only change so far is that I moved all lowercased articles to the Title-cased place. I did this because the lowercased entries will become unavailable when $wgCapitalLinks is turned from false to true. I don't want to mail Taco with the change request until after EuroTeX 2012 --- he is probably up to his ears in conference preparations, and this is not urgent. Cheers, Sietse -- Sietse Brouwer -- sbbrouwer@gmail.com -- +31 6 13.456.848 Verlengde Wassenaarseweg 4a -- 2342 BG Oegstgeest -- the Netherlands MSN: sietse@gawab.com -- ICQ: 341232104 On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > Hello, > > did someone, by any chance, already make that change? > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Sietse Brouwer wrote: >> Hello, all, >> >> The wiki currently has $wgCapitalLinks = false; meaning that if one >> wishes to link to e.g. [[Columns]] inside a sentence one must write >> "See the [[Columns|columns]] article." And if one links to another >> article, one must remember whether its title is lowercase, Titlecase, >> or if it doesn't matter because a redirect exists. >> >> Proposal: >> I propose we set >> $wgCapitalLinks = true; >> $wgCapitalLinkOverrides[ NS_FILE ] = false; >> This will make writing a link as [[Article]] or [[article]] both >> correct, but retain case sensitivity in the rest of the article title. >> In the file namespace, however, case sensitivity will be retained for >> the entire name, so that people won't have to download e.g. >> "T-lilypond.tex". > > The setting was changed from true to false in past on purpose. I found > it very annoying that all the words were capitalized, even if there > was no reason to capitalized them. Filenames (like > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Cont-tmf.zip, > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/First-setup.sh) are not the only cases. > "write18" is another one etc. > > Even if you change that setting, you still have no idea whether a page > is "Font Tools" or "Font tools" or "font tools". You can make a link > to [[font tools]] or [[headers and footers]] inside your sentence, but > that still won't help you to get to > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Font_Tools > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Headers_and_Footers > and most article names are actually very hard to guess, and in > contrast to wikipedia, the ConTeXt wiki hardly covers any substantial > amount of common words or phrases. > >> Motivation below. Comments, agreement, disagreement welcome. > > Personally I'm against that change. > >> Motivation: >> Redirects can (and do) solve this, and so can changing the link, but >> that is busywork that nobody should have to do. > > I agree, but having filenames capitalized is even more silly. > >> * article titles will consistently be displayed in Titlecase > > That is not always desired. > >> * for titles that should start in lowercase, such as [[texexec]] or >> [[first-setup]], we'll need to add e.g. {{DISPLAYTITLE:texexec}}. > > That partially compensates, but ... > > Mojca > > PS: can anyone please explain me what's with > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/First-setup.sh > it's almost "an infinite chain" of redirects ... The real page, > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/First-setup, is the one that actually > makes least sense to me. > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________