From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/80219 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sietse Brouwer Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: ConTeXt on the Mac (TexShop). Problem of a newbie Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:13:32 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8E16D40C6A36AF46A9050494F6F6A7BB35B28EED@wklex07v.klinik.uni-wuerzburg.de> <50ED31C1.4010208@wxs.nl> <8E16D40C6A36AF46A9050494F6F6A7BB39AEED30@wklex05v.klinik.uni-wuerzburg.de> <50F0108D.2050908@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1357946060 14696 80.91.229.3 (11 Jan 2013 23:14:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:14:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Meigen, Thomas" To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sat Jan 12 00:14:37 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ttno0-0003hi-B5 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:14:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D53101E9; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:14:15 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id PJeDTet87X95; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:14:07 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7879101E5; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:14:07 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C4A101E5 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:14:06 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 5+Y6prcC4ZuZ for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:14:05 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from filter3-ams.mf.surf.net (filter3-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.71]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41E9A101E3 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:14:05 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-ea0-f175.google.com (mail-ea0-f175.google.com [209.85.215.175]) by filter3-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r0BNE2g0029587 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 00:14:02 +0100 Original-Received: by mail-ea0-f175.google.com with SMTP id h11so903323eaa.34 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:14:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=nOHuO8+L7P8n27zCIJ7KGHfMHHNVT/vfNniTSGyqp+U=; b=W19uCGw/EuoIxpU23HRR4KKLw/K2T5VllldG/VZFixYtJmJvyk4Yu2cyDaz6PkRBqh tN+LDHFadDYnSjqw8KxcVdGrAfztL1e9Wi2m7pWNzDZoqKYRQf1g/jDumw537hlWbgZC KKySHktO/Whj+X4UMvSVtKFIwsVt896qlPmvjLSRDclmRFoZ0pnq0UJ8jEaZ0xhs1bWw 6ncVZ9QLcy80YGUaBQZeOUjyIh8HqG1rIMVEtgjZXKvyl6ElypdCZwPWfWfqbaaF9XWg fwJOgTEIQrlf+mpSPJ8oJ/GQbHKdW7PpTuFrg522SAplMyeCK9LAKBHK00PfQrMfH+V8 22WA== Original-Received: by 10.14.2.66 with SMTP id 42mr206169428eee.7.1357946042198; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:14:02 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.14.101.129 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:13:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50F0108D.2050908@wxs.nl> X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=209.85.215.175; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 03IKLe25d - 47d885c71a36 - 20130112 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.71 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:80219 Archived-At: Hi Thomas, You wrote, a good number of e-mails ago: > But would it be possible > to use ConTeXt without having to care about bugs in > updated code or broken links between different modules...? Thought I'd add a brief note to the conversation about updates and stability. ConTeXt Mark II (can use XeTeX, pdfTeX, LuaTeX, and all those other engines) is extraordinarily stable. Its development is frozen (although I think bugfixes can still be requested). Because it is written in TeX, a language that is also frozen, I think it is quite likely that Mark II documents will still compile in 20 years. Mark II is included in the Standalone distribution; use the `texexec` command to compile a document with Mark II. ConTeXt Mark IV is Hans's rewriting of ConTeXt in TeX + Lua, adding lots of features along the way because Lua makes it so damn easy. It requires LuaTeX. * The beta version are mercurial; bugs are introduced and fixed all the time. If you want to use a beta for a project, this is the usual advice: make a separate Standalone installation for your project, and don't update that unless you want/have to. That said: this is only because the next update might contain a bug when you least need it, it's not about compatibility. Hans, as far as I know, tries very hard to not break backward compatibility. * A stable version comes out once a year. They receive special bug-checking attention, and because Hans dislikes breaking backward compatibility I think you could hop from stable to stable and your documents would still compile. As for your third worry, modules dependency hell: this is very much a LaTeX thing. 2 reasons: 1. Pretty much everything is already in ConTeXt itself, meaning less external modules are needed. 2. ConTeXt is 10 years younger than LaTeX, meaning that its design and architecture are 10 years more modern. Specifically, LaTeX has an entire taxonomy of packages that make package-writing easier -- key-value, loops, string operations -- and user-facing packages may depend on any number of these. ConTeXt doesn't have this problem: everyone just depends on the core. So if it's stability you worry about, you have three options: * Use Mark II, solid as a rock. * Follow the stable Mark IVs. * Take a bleeding-edge beta and don't update it. Good luck! --Sietse ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________