From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/78411 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sietse Brouwer Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Proposal: making [[article]] and [[Article]] equivalent on the wiki Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:11:26 +0200 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1348485121 18685 80.91.229.3 (24 Sep 2012 11:12:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 11:12:01 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon Sep 24 13:12:06 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TG6a5-0008Mj-Ll for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:12:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A251023E; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:12:00 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id wF3lZXzG4zgL; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:11:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF010101F1; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:11:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E28F101F1 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:11:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 0+itQJy-A23z for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:11:48 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter2-ams.mf.surf.net (filter2-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.70]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE26101E8 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:11:48 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-ie0-f169.google.com (mail-ie0-f169.google.com [209.85.223.169]) by filter2-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id q8OBBlOi004793 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 13:11:47 +0200 Original-Received: by ied10 with SMTP id 10so13208937ied.14 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 04:11:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=+0B/Aifj1jbkvJLTn2ZwEhauHjK3xSfzTUH67RuuK7Q=; b=BQ6gKrX9BFI/6sb9TAAWjKtcw2fLEZGP7E9XROpKfB1KNBU18pvECYVclqx2aQYyee Iytn8mibQ8/jMuewBt9gP0Poo7T7yq16Gt2jeqhq/0SLhpO15+LsgCXN31oLjwLZxpxP u1P3sdUQY9bp03K8cIttF7/WqlceJlgjVdeB0gkulyQzcBfFKOjPM0T0RE6wOxSvZAK6 PZh8pN6QUb0jAwx7t2OnlVFQ3V3ZU8sv0+4WTXWxTBB9Yhxbx13UxJ1aVSMkr+Epgvj+ D03e2pS/6V/OTcGNRy8/fmwfnzOF3q6Oa052oYPvVtFcWIACUMltaHSiW8Qk62Rm7pBr aZ8w== Original-Received: by 10.50.182.234 with SMTP id eh10mr2014078igc.32.1348485106473; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 04:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.64.31.67 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Sep 2012 04:11:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=209.85.223.169; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0QI2XbLVB - 4d03c23f3fa3 - 20120924 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.70 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:78411 Archived-At: Hi Mojca, Sorry, somehow I missed everything but your first line when I wrote my reply. Here's a better answer. Mojca wrote: > Even if you change that setting, you still have no idea whether a page > is "Font Tools" or "Font tools" or "font tools". You can make a link > to [[font tools]] or [[headers and footers]] inside your sentence, but > that still won't help you to get to > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Font_Tools > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Headers_and_Footers It'll help you get to [[Multiline equations]], though. Multi-word titles are still inconsistent, and I think that [[Headers and footers]] and [[Font tools]] would be better titles: both more predictable and more linkable. Wikipedia uses the same policy, and I think it works well: * titles are displayed with an initial capital, unless otherwise specified with {{DISPLAYTITLE:...}} * the rest of the title is in lowercase, except for proper nouns etc. (e.g. TeX); just like you'd write the phrase in a sentence. * links can be both with and without an initial capital, depending on need at the linking end. What we have to deal with that Wikipedia doesn't, is filenames (and a few commands): -- we'd like those to display and behave as lowercase. So we want lowercase on occasion, but we don't want it to get confusing, either --- we don't want people to wonder whether to write [[Article]] or [[article]], and we especially don't want there to be a wrong answer. Now, neither of these requirements compel us to enable or disable wgCapitalLinks. File and command names can be solved like so: 1.a keep wgCapitalLinks disabled, and simply title the articles like the filenames 1.b enable wgCapitalLinks, and simply use {{DISPLAYTITLE:filename}} on filename articles. No "[[Article]] vs. [[article]]" doubts can be achieved like so: 2.a keep wgCapitalLinks disabled, consistent article naming policy plus consistently writing [[Article|article]] to get lowercased links 2.b keep wgCapitalLinks disabled, consistent article naming policy plus a lowercase-to-titlecase (or v.v.) redirect for every article 2.c enable wgCapitalLinks. (Still need an article naming policy for multi-word titles, of course.) So, which is the bigger burden: lowercasing filenames manually, or manually adjusting mid-sentence links? I think making article titles look like filenames is more of an edge case than linking to articles is. You write that "the ConTeXt wiki hardly covers any substantial amount of common words or phrases", but have a look at this page: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/index.php?title=Special:AllPages&from=Symbols&to=write18 There are only about 20 or so filename/commandname articles on the entire wiki (excluding those under Command/), of which about 12 describe various no-longer-used zip files. There are a lot of articles with names one could easily work into a sentence, even if we don't have as many 'simple noun' articles as Wikipedia. Kind regards, Sietse ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________