From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/76433 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Bowen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: indexing puzzle Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 08:41:29 -0400 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1338419286==" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1338036100 5465 80.91.229.3 (26 May 2012 12:41:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 12:41:40 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sat May 26 14:41:39 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SYGJN-0000PT-Nd for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 May 2012 14:41:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6434101E2; Sat, 26 May 2012 14:41:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id IyY9fv6ANDgh; Sat, 26 May 2012 14:41:34 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC9E101DF; Sat, 26 May 2012 14:41:34 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9395C101DF for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 14:41:33 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Pm9TsciQJ5Vq for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 14:41:31 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter2-ams.mf.surf.net (filter2-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.70]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91E8101DD for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 14:41:31 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by filter2-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id q4QCfUs7031252 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 14:41:30 +0200 Original-Received: by qcsd16 with SMTP id d16so1259112qcs.14 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 05:41:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=rmW3jd0ibYI2DPMwqXRLy35mQnzohbqcDVgD7ZuA1+I=; b=Ih1OQ3VH4kjmaMetxpnYdUkNSBcobSewOD6y+QfOWcnJteFm5smd1QkvFYFdoOxUqz A8aQGQoLWpbLrQ19zQ39beLBLIS9vYrnjoV9Iz/0W06gXeoTE1m2yaf95FDcWX+9YZCR aboFO6iOnk6UWj7AoM4+jpFKWN63KwNlvrVDvrDf7I2651H+1KhRQPgHunPgwnfk4Q1s bRmg/rrkKzsQOiN1wA502S+Mw8gQs+cj0TdhHLUGHmvK4/GTgtSix11EAvlfYE5eOry4 a4aNNSYByn3WedOd1qc3u/Ha15UjLZA9DUktxeVcjKzS6fz2YnxfduEJlWLqxqacnN2H 2sgw== Original-Received: by 10.229.105.145 with SMTP id t17mr627491qco.123.1338036089445; Sat, 26 May 2012 05:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.229.14.70 with HTTP; Sat, 26 May 2012 05:41:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=209.85.216.169; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0QHeAFuRk - 3785a34210af - 20120526 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.70 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:76433 Archived-At: --===============1338419286== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=002354333c4ecedd3004c0efcd31 --002354333c4ecedd3004c0efcd31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael=97 Thank you so much for your very helpful response. 1. \unskip works well. 2. What I currently have is admittedly an ad hoc system for encoding my indices. As you note, the system works for page numbers > 99 where line numbers < 99. When line numbers > 99, I adapt the sort key differently: thus, for Cleomedes, *Cael*. I have [CleomCael105001] for 1.5.1. This works (in MKII) but only because the number of entries is very small. 3. I like your MKII solution=97it is much more general, works well on what = I have, and is certainly less taxing to encode. Many thanks! The book that I trying to index right now is the last of my MKII projects. So I am also interested in, and very grateful, for your MKIV solution. All best, Alan On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Rogers, Michael K wrote= : > 1. For \ab you might want > \def\ab{\unskip} > since the space is not the same as the width of a digit. > > 2. Does your solution work with line numbers greater than 99? I tried > to implement your idea and I got the order 25.7, 25.117, 25.37. Probably > more than 99 lines never occurs on a page, so it's a non-issue. But Home= r, > for instance, is often referred to by Book.Line, and the lines go past 10= 0. > Again, perhaps a non-issue for you. > > 3. My own attempts: At first I though what a nice opportunity for me > to learn a little more Lua, which it was. After, I read you wanted a MKI= I > solution. Well, I'm embarrassed at how long I took to do the MKII, but I= 'm > not good at controlling expansion. Anyway, it automatically generates so= rt > keys for the pages by converting digits to letters and padding with initi= al > a's, so that each page or line number is a fixed length (4 in this case, = up > to 10000 pages/lines). For instance, > 123.4--56 is mapped to abcdaaaeaafg > MKII does not seem to sort digit-based keys reliably; MKIV does, and you > can just pad out the digits with zeros. The complete sort key that worke= d > was the catenation of the author, text, and locus key, which is similar t= o > what you have. > > MKII: > \defineregister[Passage][Passages] > ... > % interface to register -- \locuskey indirectly returns a key in \nextkey > > \def\MyPassage#1#2#3{\locuskey{#3}\expandoneargafter\doMyPassage{\nextkey= }{#1}{#2}{#3}} > \def\doMyPassage#1#2#3#4{\Passage[#2#3#1]{{#2}+{#3}+{#4}}} > % Def. of \locuskey#1 > % In: #1<-p1[.l2[--l3]] Out: key stored in \nextkey > ... (see attached file, if interested) > > MKIV: > % interface to register -- expansion in MKIV must be different, because > a direct approach works: > \def\MyPassage#1#2#3{\Passage[#1#2\locuskey{#3}]{#1+#2+#3}} > % Def. of \locuskey > \startluacode > userdata =3D userdata or { } > function userdata.locuskey(x) > context(string.gsub(x,"(%d+)",function (s) return > string.format("%04d",tonumber(s)) end)) > end > \stopluacode > \def\locuskey#1{\ctxlua{userdata.locuskey("#1")}} > > The Mark IV/Luatex one was much nicer, less frustrating to figure out. > > > On May 24, 2012, at 7:06 AM, Alan Bowen wrote: > > For anyone interested in producing classical indices locorum, I have > devised a way that seems to work, although it is not that elegant. > > The first step is to modify the sort keys by counting the number of > digits in the page number: > thus, > [AuthorText01] for pages 1=969, > [AuthorText02] for pages 10=9699, and so on > > The next is to insert the command =93 \ab=94 (note the space) when the l= ine > number is a single digit: > thus > 391. \ab{}2 but 391.12 in the entry specification {Author+Text+page.line} > > For \ab, I have: > > \newdimen\digitwidth > \setbox0=3D\hbox{\tfx\char32} > \digitwidth=3D\wd0 > > \def\ab{\tfx\kern-\digitwidth} > > The hitch here is that the font size is not context dependent. > > Alan > > On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Alan Bowen wrote= : > > I have been trying to index the passages cited in a book and would be > grateful for some tactical advice. > > There are several works by a single author, and it is customary to cite > each text by page and line number, as in 1253.12 (page 1253, line12), for > example. > > I have a sort key for each work. But now I need a way to get the entry > > 1253.7 (page 1253, line 7) before the entry > 1253.12 (page 1253, line 12). > > \[Passage[AuthorText]{Author+Text+1253.07}1253.7 or > \[Passage[AuthorText]{Author+Text+1253.07}1253. 7 > would work, but it is really better to have the index entry as =931253.7= =94 > rather than as =931253.07=94 or =931253. 7=94 > > I have experimented with different sort keys=97e.g., AuthorText125307=97= and > can generate an index with the 1235.7 and so on in the proper place and > form, say, before 1253.12. > > But then the problem is that I also get entire sequences of entries out > of order (485.19, 485.21 before 477.31, and so on). Very puzzling. > (Restoring the sort key AuthorText removes the latter problems but then > leaves 1253.7 in the wrong place.) > > If anyone has experience with this or just some ideas for a solution, > their suggestions will be most welcome. > > I am using the MKII in the latest ConTeXt standalone. > > Alan > > > > ------------------------------ > > This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. 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Thank you so much for your very helpful response.

1. \unskip works well.=

2.= What I currently have is admittedly an ad hoc system for encoding my indic= es. As you note, the system works for =A0page numbers > 99 where line nu= mbers < 99. When line numbers > 99, I adapt the sort key differently:= thus, for Cleomedes,=A0Cael. I have [CleomCael105001] for 1.5.1. Th= is works (in MKII) but only because the number of entries is very small.

3.= I like your MKII solution=97it is much more general, works well on what I = have, and is certainly less taxing to encode. Many thanks! =A0

Th= e book that I trying to index right now is the last of my MKII projects. So= I am also interested in, and very grateful, for =A0your MKIV solution.

Al= l best, Alan


On Thu, May= 24, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Rogers, Michael K <mroge02@emory.edu> = wrote:
1. For \ab you might want
=A0 =A0 \def\ab{\unskip}
since the space is not the same as the width of a digit.

2. Does your solution work with line numbers greater than 99? =A0I tri= ed to implement your idea and I got the order 25.7, 25.117, 25.37. =A0Proba= bly more than 99 lines never occurs on a page, so it's a non-issue. =A0= But Homer, for instance, is often referred to by Book.Line, and the lines go past 100. =A0Again, perhaps a non-issue = for you.

3. =A0My own attempts: =A0At first I though what a nice opportunity fo= r me to learn a little more Lua, which it was. =A0After, I read you wanted = a MKII solution. =A0Well, I'm embarrassed at how long I took to do the = MKII, but I'm not good at controlling expansion. =A0Anyway, it automatically generates sort keys for the pages by convertin= g digits to letters and padding with initial a's, so that each page or = line number is a fixed length (4 in this case, up to 10000 pages/lines). = =A0For instance,
=A0 =A0 123.4--56 is mapped to =A0abcdaaaeaafg
MKII does not seem to sort digit-based keys reliably; MKIV does, and y= ou can just pad out the digits with zeros. =A0The complete sort key that wo= rked was the catenation of the author, text, and locus key, which is simila= r to what you have.

MKII:
\defineregister[Passage][Passages]=A0
...
% interface to register -- \locuskey indirectly returns a key in \next= key
\def\MyPassage#1#2#3{\locuskey{#3}\expandoneargafter\doMyPassage{\next= key}{#1}{#2}{#3}}
\def\doMyPassage#1#2#3#4{\Passage[#2#3#1]{{#2}+{#3}+{#4}}}
% Def. of \locuskey#1
% =A0 =A0In: #1<-p1[.l2[--l3]] Out: key stored in \nextkey
... (see attached file, if interested)

MKIV:
% interface to register -- expansion in MKIV must be different, becaus= e a direct approach works:
\def\MyPassage#1#2#3{\Passage[#1#2\locuskey{#3}]{#1+#2+#3}}
% Def. of \locuskey
\startluacode
userdata =3D userdata or { }
function userdata.locuskey(x)
=A0 =A0 context(string.gsub(x,"(%d+)",function (s) return st= ring.format("%04d",tonumber(s)) end))
end
\stopluacode
\def\locuskey#1{\ctxlua{userdata.locuskey("#1")}}

The Mark IV/Luatex one was much nicer, less frustrating to figure out.=


On May 24, 2012, at 7:06 AM, Alan Bowen wrote:

For anyone interested in producing classical indi= ces locorum, I have devised a way that seems to work, although it is not th= at elegant.

The first step is to modify the sort keys by counting the number of di= gits in the page number:=A0
thus,
[AuthorText01] for pages 1=969,=A0
[AuthorText02] for pages 10=9699, and so on

The next is to insert the command =93 \ab=94 (note the space) when the= line number is a single digit:=A0
thus=A0
391. \ab{}2 but 391.12 in the entry specification {Author+Text+page.li= ne}

For \ab, I have:

\newdimen\digitwidth
\setbox0=3D\hbox{\tfx\char32}
\digitwidth=3D\wd0

\def\ab{\tfx\kern-\digitwidth}

The hitch here is that the font size is not context dependent.

Alan

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Alan Bowen <bowenalan03@= gmail.com> wrote:
I have been trying to index the passages cited in a book and would be grate= ful for some tactical advice.

There are several works by a single author, and it is customary to cit= e each text by page and line number, as in 1253.12 (page 1253, line12), for= example.

I have a sort key for each work. But now I need a way to get the entry=

1253.7 (page 1253, line 7) before the entry
1253.12 (page 1253, line 12).

\[Passage[AuthorText]{Author+Text+1253.07}1253.7 or
\[Passage[AuthorText]{Author+Text+1253.07}1253. 7=A0
would work, but it is really better to have the index entry as =931253= .7=94 rather than as =931253.07=94 or =931253. 7=94

I have experimented with different sort keys=97e.g., AuthorText125307= =97and can generate an index with the 1235.7 and so on in the proper place = and form, say, before 1253.12.

But then the problem is that I also get entire sequences of entries ou= t of order (485.19, 485.21 before 477.31, and so on). Very puzzling. (Resto= ring the sort key AuthorText removes the latter problems but then leaves 12= 53.7 in the wrong place.)

If anyone has experience with this or just some ideas for a solution, = their suggestions will be most welcome.

I am using the MKII in the latest ConTeXt standalone.

Alan



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