space between footnotes

space between footnotes

[Pablo Rodríguez]

Hi there,

I'm trying to add some space between footnotes, such as:

\setupnotation[footnote][numbercommand=,inbetween=\hskip.25em]
\starttext
\dorecurse{5}{foot\footnote{note}}
\stoptext

But neither inbetween or before work here, only after seems to work
(with beta from 2012.05.30).

Am I missing something or have I hit a bug?

Many thanks for your help,


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Re: space between footnotes

[Philipp Gesang]

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Hi Pablo!

···<date: 2012-06-01, Friday>···<from: Pablo Rodríguez>···

> Hi there,
> 
> I'm trying to add some space between footnotes, such as:
> 
> \setupnotation[footnote][numbercommand=,inbetween=\hskip.25em]
                                                    ^^^^^^
Assuming instead that you intend to put some vertical distance
between the notes, you can try the “after” key:

\setupnotation[footnote][
  numbercommand=,
  after=\blank, %% hook you spacing macro in here
]

Else if you meant the space that separates the footnote number
from the note inserts, that would be the “distance” key:

\setupnotation[footnote][
  numbercommand=,
  distance=5em, %% expects dimension
]

Regards
Philipp



> \starttext
> \dorecurse{5}{foot\footnote{note}}
> \stoptext
> 
> But neither inbetween or before work here, only after seems to work
> (with beta from 2012.05.30).
> 
> Am I missing something or have I hit a bug?
> 
> Many thanks for your help,
> 
> 
> Pablo
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Re: space between footnotes

[Pablo Rodríguez]

On 02/06/12 09:27, Philipp Gesang wrote:
> Hi Pablo!
> 
> ···<date: 2012-06-01, Friday>···<from: Pablo Rodríguez>···
> 
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I'm trying to add some space between footnotes, such as:
>>
>> \setupnotation[footnote][numbercommand=,inbetween=\hskip.25em]
>                                                     ^^^^^^
> Assuming instead that you intend to put some vertical distance
> between the notes, you can try the “after” key:
> 
> \setupnotation[footnote][
>   numbercommand=,
>   after=\blank, %% hook you spacing macro in here
> ]

Hi Philipp,

many thanks for your reply and your help.

This is what I intended, but it has an undesired effect, it adds some
space after the last note in page (which, I'd like to avoid).

Here is a sample:

\definenote[showafter]
\definenote[showbefore]
\definenote[showbetween]
\definenote[shownt]
\setupnotation[footnote][numbercommand=]
\setupnotation[showafter][numbercommand=,after={\blank[5*big]}]
\setupnotation[showbefore][numbercommand=,before={\blank[5*big]}]
\setupnotation[showbetween][numbercommand=,inbetween={\blank[5*big]}]
\showframe
\starttext
\dorecurse{5}{foot\footnote{note}}
\page
\dorecurse{5}{foot\showafter{note}}
\page
\dorecurse{5}{foot\showbefore{note}}
\page
\dorecurse{5}{foot\showbetween{note}}
\stoptext


I need to add some space between the notes, but neither before the first
one nor after the last.

I thought inbetween was the right option for this. According to the
sample above, it doesn't seem to work (I don't see what changes with and
without inbetween=\blank[5*big]).

I have two questions:

Is inbetween the right option to add space only between notes?

If the answer is yes, I'm afraid I have hit a bug.

If the answer is no, what is inbetween supposed to do?

Many thanks for your help,



Pablo


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Re: space between footnotes

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 02.06.2012 um 15:25 schrieb Pablo Rodríguez:

> On 02/06/12 09:27, Philipp Gesang wrote:
>> Hi Pablo!
>> 
>> ···<date: 2012-06-01, Friday>···<from: Pablo Rodríguez>···
>> 
>>> Hi there,
>>> 
>>> I'm trying to add some space between footnotes, such as:
>>> 
>>> \setupnotation[footnote][numbercommand=,inbetween=\hskip.25em]
>>                                                    ^^^^^^
>> Assuming instead that you intend to put some vertical distance
>> between the notes, you can try the “after” key:
>> 
>> \setupnotation[footnote][
>>  numbercommand=,
>>  after=\blank, %% hook you spacing macro in here
>> ]
> 
> Hi Philipp,
> 
> many thanks for your reply and your help.
> 
> This is what I intended, but it has an undesired effect, it adds some
> space after the last note in page (which, I'd like to avoid).
> 
> Here is a sample:
> 
> \definenote[showafter]
> \definenote[showbefore]
> \definenote[showbetween]
> \definenote[shownt]
> \setupnotation[footnote][numbercommand=]
> \setupnotation[showafter][numbercommand=,after={\blank[5*big]}]
> \setupnotation[showbefore][numbercommand=,before={\blank[5*big]}]
> \setupnotation[showbetween][numbercommand=,inbetween={\blank[5*big]}]
> \showframe
> \starttext
> \dorecurse{5}{foot\footnote{note}}
> \page
> \dorecurse{5}{foot\showafter{note}}
> \page
> \dorecurse{5}{foot\showbefore{note}}
> \page
> \dorecurse{5}{foot\showbetween{note}}
> \stoptext
> 
> 
> I need to add some space between the notes, but neither before the first
> one nor after the last.
> 
> I thought inbetween was the right option for this. According to the
> sample above, it doesn't seem to work (I don't see what changes with and
> without inbetween=\blank[5*big]).
> 
> I have two questions:
> 
> Is inbetween the right option to add space only between notes?
> 
> If the answer is yes, I'm afraid I have hit a bug.
> 
> If the answer is no, what is inbetween supposed to do?

Inbetween is the space between a description/enumeration title and content when you have the setup “alternative=top”.

Wolfgang
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Re: space between footnotes

[Philipp Gesang]

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Hi Pablo!

···<date: 2012-06-02, Saturday>···<from: Pablo Rodríguez>···

> I have two questions:
> 
> Is inbetween the right option to add space only between notes?

Afaict *\setupnotation* has no “inbetween” key, but “\setupnote”
has. In the latter case it is only meaningful for paragraph-style
(serried) footnotes:

········································································
\setupnote[footnote][
  paragraph=yes,
  inbetween=\hskip 5em,
]
\starttext
\dorecurse{5}{foot\footnote{note}}
\stoptext
········································································

Unfortunately with ordinary settings it is ignored altogether.
The alternative you are looking for might be to locally set a
different parskip for the footnote inserts:

········································································
\setupnotation[footnote][
  before={\setupwhitespace[big]},
  numbercommand=,
]
\starttext
\dorecurse{5}{foot\footnote{note}}
\stoptext
········································································

Hth,
Philipp


> If the answer is yes, I'm afraid I have hit a bug.
> 
> If the answer is no, what is inbetween supposed to do?
> 
> Many thanks for your help,
> 
> 
> 
> Pablo
> 
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Re: space between footnotes

[Pablo Rodríguez]

On 02/06/12 15:38, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> 
> Am 02.06.2012 um 15:25 schrieb Pablo Rodríguez:
>> [...]
>> Is inbetween the right option to add space only between
>> notes?
>> [...]
>> If the answer is no, what is inbetween supposed to do?
> 
> Inbetween is the space between a description/enumeration title and
> content when you have the setup “alternative=top”.

Many thanks for your reply, Wolfgang.

Now I understand that there is no way to avoid some extra space either
before the first note or after the last one.


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Re: space between footnotes

[Pablo Rodríguez]

On 02/06/12 15:42, Philipp Gesang wrote:
> Hi Pablo!
> 
> ···<date: 2012-06-02, Saturday>···<from: Pablo Rodríguez>···
> 
>> I have two questions:
>>
>> Is inbetween the right option to add space only between notes?
> 
> Afaict *\setupnotation* has no “inbetween” key, but “\setupnote”
> has.

Many thanks for your reply and your explanation, Philipp.

At strc-not.mkvi both "\setuptnotation" and "\setupnote" have an
"inbetween" option.

> In the latter case it is only meaningful for paragraph-style
> (serried) footnotes:
> 
> ········································································
> \setupnote[footnote][
>   paragraph=yes,
>   inbetween=\hskip 5em,
> ]
> \starttext
> \dorecurse{5}{foot\footnote{note}}
> \stoptext
> ········································································
> 
> Unfortunately with ordinary settings it is ignored altogether.

If this isn't a bug, I wonder whether this shouldn't be implemented. It
makes sense.

> The alternative you are looking for might be to locally set a
> different parskip for the footnote inserts:

It adds the space also before or after the first or last one (I guess
this is the way these options should work).

Many thanks for your help,


Pablo
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Re: space between footnotes

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 02.06.2012 um 16:17 schrieb Pablo Rodríguez:

> On 02/06/12 15:42, Philipp Gesang wrote:
>> Hi Pablo!
>> 
>> ···<date: 2012-06-02, Saturday>···<from: Pablo Rodríguez>···
>> 
>>> I have two questions:
>>> 
>>> Is inbetween the right option to add space only between notes?
>> 
>> Afaict *\setupnotation* has no “inbetween” key, but “\setupnote”
>> has.
> 
> Many thanks for your reply and your explanation, Philipp.
> 
> At strc-not.mkvi both "\setuptnotation" and "\setupnote" have an
> "inbetween" option.

When you print all footnotes entries in a single paragraph the inbetween parameter from \setupnote
is used to add something (can be a horizontal space or a symbol etc.) between the individual notes.

The inbetween parameter from \setupnotation is used when you have the setup \setupnotation[alternative=top].

>> In the latter case it is only meaningful for paragraph-style
>> (serried) footnotes:
>> 
>> ········································································
>> \setupnote[footnote][
>>  paragraph=yes,
>>  inbetween=\hskip 5em,
>> ]
>> \starttext
>> \dorecurse{5}{foot\footnote{note}}
>> \stoptext
>> ········································································
>> 
>> Unfortunately with ordinary settings it is ignored altogether.
> 
> If this isn't a bug, I wonder whether this shouldn't be implemented. It
> makes sense.

Add \setupnotation[footnote][display=no] and the example will work.

>> The alternative you are looking for might be to locally set a
>> different parskip for the footnote inserts:
> 
> It adds the space also before or after the first or last one (I guess
> this is the way these options should work).

It’s a bug because in the following example even the space between the notes is too big,
it should be 5mm but actually it’s 10mm.

\setupnotation[footnote][before={\blank[5mm]},after={\blank[5mm]}]

\starttext \showframe
\dorecurse{5}{foot\footnote{note} }
\stoptext

Wolfgang
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Re: space between footnotes

[Pablo Rodríguez]

On 02/06/12 17:03, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Am 02.06.2012 um 16:17 schrieb Pablo Rodríguez:
>> On 02/06/12 15:42, Philipp Gesang wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> In the latter case it is only meaningful for paragraph-style
>>> (serried) footnotes:
>>> ········································································
>>> \setupnote[footnote][
>>>  paragraph=yes,
>>>  inbetween=\hskip 5em,
>>> ]
>>> \starttext
>>> \dorecurse{5}{foot\footnote{note}}
>>> \stoptext
>>> ········································································
>>> Unfortunately with ordinary settings it is ignored altogether.
>>
>> If this isn't a bug, I wonder whether this shouldn't be implemented. It
>> makes sense.
> 
> Add \setupnotation[footnote][display=no] and the example will work.

Many thanks for your reply, Wolfgang.

If I didn't get your explanation wrong, this example should work:

\setupnote[footnote][inbetween=\blank]
\setupnotation[footnote][display=no]
\starttext
\dorecurse{5}{foot\footnote{note}}
\stoptext

I'm afraid it doesn't. What is wrong here?

>>> The alternative you are looking for might be to locally set a
>>> different parskip for the footnote inserts:
>>
>> It adds the space also before or after the first or last one (I guess
>> this is the way these options should work).
> 
> It’s a bug because in the following example even the space between the notes is too big,
> it should be 5mm but actually it’s 10mm.
> 
> \setupnotation[footnote][before={\blank[5mm]},after={\blank[5mm]}]

Are you sure that this is buggy? If each note should have 5mm before and
after it, I think the right space between notes should be 10mm (5mm
after the previous note plus 5mm before the next note). Maybe I'm being
too simplistic, but I think it's right.

Many thanks for your help,


Pablo

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Re: space between footnotes

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 03.06.2012 um 01:17 schrieb Pablo Rodríguez:

>> Add \setupnotation[footnote][display=no] and the example will work.
> 
> Many thanks for your reply, Wolfgang.
> 
> If I didn't get your explanation wrong, this example should work:
> 
> \setupnote[footnote][inbetween=\blank]
> \setupnotation[footnote][display=no]
> \starttext
> \dorecurse{5}{foot\footnote{note}}
> \stoptext
> 
> I'm afraid it doesn't. What is wrong here?

You foot now “paragraph=yes”.

\setupnote    [footnote][paragraph=yes]
\setupnotation[footnote][display=no,alternative=serried]

\starttext \showframe
\dorecurse{5}{foot\footnote{note} }
\stoptext

>>>> The alternative you are looking for might be to locally set a
>>>> different parskip for the footnote inserts:
>>> 
>>> It adds the space also before or after the first or last one (I guess
>>> this is the way these options should work).
>> 
>> It’s a bug because in the following example even the space between the notes is too big,
>> it should be 5mm but actually it’s 10mm.
>> 
>> \setupnotation[footnote][before={\blank[5mm]},after={\blank[5mm]}]
> 
> Are you sure that this is buggy? If each note should have 5mm before and
> after it, I think the right space between notes should be 10mm (5mm
> after the previous note plus 5mm before the next note). Maybe I'm being
> too simplistic, but I think it's right.

No, that’s wrong. When you have to \blank one after another only the bigger
value is used and the other one is ignored. In the following example
the space between the two frames is 2 lines and not 3 lines because
the smaller value is ignored. It’s possible to add up both value or to
ignore the previous/next value but in this case you need an additional
keyword for \blank.

\defineframedtext[test][width=broad,align=middle]

\starttext \showgrid

\starttest[before={\blank[line]},after={\blank[2*line]}]
One
\stoptest

\starttest[before={\blank[line]},after={\blank[2*line]}]
One
\stoptest

\blank[4*line]

\starttest[before={\blank[2*line]},after={\blank[line]}]
One
\stoptest

\starttest[before={\blank[2*line]},after={\blank[line]}]
One
\stoptest

\stoptext

Wolfgang
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Re: space between footnotes

[Alan Bowen]

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I have been following this with some interest, since I am having a similar
problem with the vertical spacing between notes in MKII.

In

\setupfootnotes[conversion=numbers,
way=bytext,location=page,rule=on,bodyfont=9.6pt,
style=normal,after={\blank[3pt]}]
\starttext

This is
\footnote{abcde.} a test
\footnote{ABCDE.} line with
\footnote{GHIJK.} footnotes.
\footnote{ghijk.}

\stoptext

I am finding that adjusting “before” and “after” affects the placement of
notes on a given page as a block, but leaves the spacing between the notes
on the list unchanged. So, is there a way to adjust the vertical spacing *
between* notes in MKII?

Alan

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 4:26 AM, Wolfgang Schuster <
schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:

>
> Am 03.06.2012 um 01:17 schrieb Pablo Rodríguez:
>
> >> Add \setupnotation[footnote][display=no] and the example will work.
> >
> > Many thanks for your reply, Wolfgang.
> >
> > If I didn't get your explanation wrong, this example should work:
> >
> > \setupnote[footnote][inbetween=\blank]
> > \setupnotation[footnote][display=no]
> > \starttext
> > \dorecurse{5}{foot\footnote{note}}
> > \stoptext
> >
> > I'm afraid it doesn't. What is wrong here?
>
> You foot now “paragraph=yes”.
>
> \setupnote    [footnote][paragraph=yes]
> \setupnotation[footnote][display=no,alternative=serried]
>
> \starttext \showframe
> \dorecurse{5}{foot\footnote{note} }
> \stoptext
>
> >>>> The alternative you are looking for might be to locally set a
> >>>> different parskip for the footnote inserts:
> >>>
> >>> It adds the space also before or after the first or last one (I guess
> >>> this is the way these options should work).
> >>
> >> It’s a bug because in the following example even the space between the
> notes is too big,
> >> it should be 5mm but actually it’s 10mm.
> >>
> >> \setupnotation[footnote][before={\blank[5mm]},after={\blank[5mm]}]
> >
> > Are you sure that this is buggy? If each note should have 5mm before and
> > after it, I think the right space between notes should be 10mm (5mm
> > after the previous note plus 5mm before the next note). Maybe I'm being
> > too simplistic, but I think it's right.
>
> No, that’s wrong. When you have to \blank one after another only the bigger
> value is used and the other one is ignored. In the following example
> the space between the two frames is 2 lines and not 3 lines because
> the smaller value is ignored. It’s possible to add up both value or to
> ignore the previous/next value but in this case you need an additional
> keyword for \blank.
>
> \defineframedtext[test][width=broad,align=middle]
>
> \starttext \showgrid
>
> \starttest[before={\blank[line]},after={\blank[2*line]}]
> One
> \stoptest
>
> \starttest[before={\blank[line]},after={\blank[2*line]}]
> One
> \stoptest
>
> \blank[4*line]
>
> \starttest[before={\blank[2*line]},after={\blank[line]}]
> One
> \stoptest
>
> \starttest[before={\blank[2*line]},after={\blank[line]}]
> One
> \stoptest
>
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang
>
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Re: space between footnotes

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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Am 03.06.2012 um 15:26 schrieb Alan Bowen:

> I have been following this with some interest, since I am having a similar problem with the vertical spacing between notes in MKII.
> 
> In
> 
> \setupfootnotes[conversion=numbers, 
> 	way=bytext,location=page,rule=on,bodyfont=9.6pt,
> 	style=normal,after={\blank[3pt]}]
> \starttext 
> 
> This is
> \footnote{abcde.} a test
> \footnote{ABCDE.} line with
> \footnote{GHIJK.} footnotes.
> \footnote{ghijk.}
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> I am finding that adjusting “before” and “after” affects the placement of notes on a given page as a block, but leaves the spacing between the notes on the list unchanged. So, is there a way to adjust the vertical spacing between notes in MKII?

% engine=pdftex

\setupnotedefinition[footnote][before={\blank[5mm]},after={\blank[5mm]}]

\starttext \showframe
\dorecurse{5}{foot\footnote{note} }
\stoptext

Wolfgang


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Re: space between footnotes

[Alan Bowen]

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Perfect, Wolfgang. Many thanks again!

Alan


On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Wolfgang Schuster <
schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:

>
> Am 03.06.2012 um 15:26 schrieb Alan Bowen:
>
> I have been following this with some interest, since I am having a similar
> problem with the vertical spacing between notes in MKII.
>
> In
>
> \setupfootnotes[conversion=numbers,
> way=bytext,location=page,rule=on,bodyfont=9.6pt,
>  style=normal,after={\blank[3pt]}]
> \starttext
>
> This is
> \footnote{abcde.} a test
> \footnote{ABCDE.} line with
> \footnote{GHIJK.} footnotes.
> \footnote{ghijk.}
>
> \stoptext
>
> I am finding that adjusting “before” and “after” affects the placement of
> notes on a given page as a block, but leaves the spacing between the notes
> on the list unchanged. So, is there a way to adjust the vertical spacing *
> between* notes in MKII?
>
>
> % engine=pdftex
>
> \setupnotedefinition[footnote][before={\blank[5mm]},after={\blank[5mm]}]
>
> \starttext \showframe
> \dorecurse{5}{foot\footnote{note} }
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
>
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