From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/76438 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Bowen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: indexing puzzle Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 10:12:32 -0400 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1359615722==" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1338041564 10255 80.91.229.3 (26 May 2012 14:12:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 14:12:44 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sat May 26 16:12:42 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SYHjV-0002I4-AH for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 May 2012 16:12:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A911101DD; Sat, 26 May 2012 16:12:40 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id l2KrO51tZoRH; Sat, 26 May 2012 16:12:40 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5E9101DF; Sat, 26 May 2012 16:12:37 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C07101DF for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 16:12:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 9bYDG9eUX-eR for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 16:12:34 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter1-til.mf.surf.net (filter1-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.217]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7604101DD for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 16:12:34 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com (mail-qc0-f169.google.com [209.85.216.169]) by filter1-til.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id q4QECW6b010659 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 16:12:33 +0200 Original-Received: by qcsd16 with SMTP id d16so1284793qcs.14 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 07:12:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Y6BNgLWaLLlkxcFHRhFhZSdjty9NTUNAhYOWllav1VQ=; b=zQ1jTvukDDxkLj9w1N0FSVeyW16Bbk18EXAes9yTUIHimL+R60vhh4ZMS/tak9lTp7 lUfHYMBa25KoznJHrbz0ePwbu8RWpJSqht+xJhF2VNfjK0pQuMT9UE+0LnxfjOxdmpUS ivXeEF9ZUzWOrc2zLQ21SqWxHKuN66o6H5N14k3x9ETp3yc7XfamEKV9bsfCLtEboSXc Np6/BMod0kc30Mg/bBsCiOCB0aaHWHm+GtWAuifuzv/fR9nHqcmC1iOdgmcjRZ5IfLEn 14huxa8AARquLVgVJTV2uT9GCnLsSmk80CaI8UTiKrTeq0FOoqKKyJK/nZg05ROYN9lC Oxxw== Original-Received: by 10.224.181.203 with SMTP id bz11mr2617464qab.55.1338041552312; Sat, 26 May 2012 07:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.229.14.70 with HTTP; Sat, 26 May 2012 07:12:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=209.85.216.169; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 0RHeCcxcF - 5ddbdea7abf2 - 20120526 (trained as not-spam) X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.217 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:76438 Archived-At: --===============1359615722== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf303b40556b9b2304c0f1138c --20cf303b40556b9b2304c0f1138c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It does indeed! Excellent! A. On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Rogers, Michael K wrote= : > Thanks, Alan. Actually, I now think MKIV works without any trickery. I > was perhaps too eager to try a Lua solution. \Passage{Author+Text+Locus} > seems to work fine in the beta today. > > Cheers, Michael > > > > On May 26, 2012, at 8:41 AM, Alan Bowen wrote: > > Michael=97 > > Thank you so much for your very helpful response. > > 1. \unskip works well. > > 2. What I currently have is admittedly an ad hoc system for encoding my > indices. As you note, the system works for page numbers > 99 where line > numbers < 99. When line numbers > 99, I adapt the sort key differently: > thus, for Cleomedes, *Cael*. I have [CleomCael105001] for 1.5.1. This > works (in MKII) but only because the number of entries is very small. > > 3. I like your MKII solution=97it is much more general, works well on wh= at > I have, and is certainly less taxing to encode. Many thanks! > > The book that I trying to index right now is the last of my MKII > projects. So I am also interested in, and very grateful, for your MKIV > solution. > > All best, Alan > > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Rogers, Michael K wro= te: > >> 1. For \ab you might want >> \def\ab{\unskip} >> since the space is not the same as the width of a digit. >> >> 2. Does your solution work with line numbers greater than 99? I tried >> to implement your idea and I got the order 25.7, 25.117, 25.37. Probabl= y >> more than 99 lines never occurs on a page, so it's a non-issue. But Hom= er, >> for instance, is often referred to by Book.Line, and the lines go past 1= 00. >> Again, perhaps a non-issue for you. >> >> 3. My own attempts: At first I though what a nice opportunity for me >> to learn a little more Lua, which it was. After, I read you wanted a MK= II >> solution. Well, I'm embarrassed at how long I took to do the MKII, but = I'm >> not good at controlling expansion. Anyway, it automatically generates s= ort >> keys for the pages by converting digits to letters and padding with init= ial >> a's, so that each page or line number is a fixed length (4 in this case,= up >> to 10000 pages/lines). For instance, >> 123.4--56 is mapped to abcdaaaeaafg >> MKII does not seem to sort digit-based keys reliably; MKIV does, and you >> can just pad out the digits with zeros. The complete sort key that work= ed >> was the catenation of the author, text, and locus key, which is similar = to >> what you have. >> >> MKII: >> \defineregister[Passage][Passages] >> ... >> % interface to register -- \locuskey indirectly returns a key in \nextke= y >> >> \def\MyPassage#1#2#3{\locuskey{#3}\expandoneargafter\doMyPassage{\nextke= y}{#1}{#2}{#3}} >> \def\doMyPassage#1#2#3#4{\Passage[#2#3#1]{{#2}+{#3}+{#4}}} >> % Def. of \locuskey#1 >> % In: #1<-p1[.l2[--l3]] Out: key stored in \nextkey >> ... (see attached file, if interested) >> >> MKIV: >> % interface to register -- expansion in MKIV must be different, because >> a direct approach works: >> \def\MyPassage#1#2#3{\Passage[#1#2\locuskey{#3}]{#1+#2+#3}} >> % Def. of \locuskey >> \startluacode >> userdata =3D userdata or { } >> function userdata.locuskey(x) >> context(string.gsub(x,"(%d+)",function (s) return >> string.format("%04d",tonumber(s)) end)) >> end >> \stopluacode >> \def\locuskey#1{\ctxlua{userdata.locuskey("#1")}} >> >> The Mark IV/Luatex one was much nicer, less frustrating to figure out. >> >> >> On May 24, 2012, at 7:06 AM, Alan Bowen wrote: >> >> For anyone interested in producing classical indices locorum, I have >> devised a way that seems to work, although it is not that elegant. >> >> The first step is to modify the sort keys by counting the number of >> digits in the page number: >> thus, >> [AuthorText01] for pages 1=969, >> [AuthorText02] for pages 10=9699, and so on >> >> The next is to insert the command =93 \ab=94 (note the space) when the = line >> number is a single digit: >> thus >> 391. \ab{}2 but 391.12 in the entry specification {Author+Text+page.line= } >> >> For \ab, I have: >> >> \newdimen\digitwidth >> \setbox0=3D\hbox{\tfx\char32} >> \digitwidth=3D\wd0 >> >> \def\ab{\tfx\kern-\digitwidth} >> >> The hitch here is that the font size is not context dependent. >> >> Alan >> >> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Alan Bowen wrote= : >> >> I have been trying to index the passages cited in a book and would be >> grateful for some tactical advice. >> >> There are several works by a single author, and it is customary to cite >> each text by page and line number, as in 1253.12 (page 1253, line12), fo= r >> example. >> >> I have a sort key for each work. But now I need a way to get the entry >> >> 1253.7 (page 1253, line 7) before the entry >> 1253.12 (page 1253, line 12). >> >> \[Passage[AuthorText]{Author+Text+1253.07}1253.7 or >> \[Passage[AuthorText]{Author+Text+1253.07}1253. 7 >> would work, but it is really better to have the index entry as =931253.7= =94 >> rather than as =931253.07=94 or =931253. 7=94 >> >> I have experimented with different sort keys=97e.g., AuthorText125307= =97and >> can generate an index with the 1235.7 and so on in the proper place and >> form, say, before 1253.12. >> >> But then the problem is that I also get entire sequences of entries out >> of order (485.19, 485.21 before 477.31, and so on). Very puzzling. >> (Restoring the sort key AuthorText removes the latter problems but then >> leaves 1253.7 in the wrong place.) >> >> If anyone has experience with this or just some ideas for a solution, >> their suggestions will be most welcome. >> >> I am using the MKII in the latest ConTeXt standalone. >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of >> the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged >> information. 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Excellent!

A.

On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Rogers, Michael K <mroge02@emory.= edu> wrote:
Thanks, Alan. =A0Actually, I now think MKIV works without any trickery. =A0= I was perhaps too eager to try a Lua solution. =A0\Passage{Author+Text+Locu= s} seems to work fine in the beta today.

Cheers, =A0Michael



On May 26, 2012, at 8:41 AM, Alan Bowen wrote:

Michael=97

Thank = you so much for your very helpful response.

1. \un= skip works well.

2. Wha= t I currently have is admittedly an ad hoc system for encoding my indices. = As you note, the system works for =A0page numbers > 99 where line number= s < 99. When line numbers > 99, I adapt the sort key differently: thus, for Cleomedes,=A0Cael. I have [CleomCael1050= 01] for 1.5.1. This works (in MKII) but only because the number of entries = is very small.

3. I l= ike your MKII solution=97it is much more general, works well on what I have= , and is certainly less taxing to encode. Many thanks! =A0

The bo= ok that I trying to index right now is the last of my MKII projects. So I a= m also interested in, and very grateful, for =A0your MKIV solution.

All be= st, Alan


On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Rogers, Michael= K <mroge02@emory.ed= u> wrote:
1. For \ab you might want
=A0 =A0 \def\ab{\unskip}
since the space is not the same as the width of a digit.

2. Does your solution work with line numbers greater than 99? =A0I tri= ed to implement your idea and I got the order 25.7, 25.117, 25.37. =A0Proba= bly more than 99 lines never occurs on a page, so it's a non-issue. =A0= But Homer, for instance, is often referred to by Book.Line, and the lines go past 100. =A0Again, perhaps a non-issue = for you.

3. =A0My own attempts: =A0At first I though what a nice opportunity fo= r me to learn a little more Lua, which it was. =A0After, I read you wanted = a MKII solution. =A0Well, I'm embarrassed at how long I took to do the = MKII, but I'm not good at controlling expansion. =A0Anyway, it automatically generates sort keys for the pages by convertin= g digits to letters and padding with initial a's, so that each page or = line number is a fixed length (4 in this case, up to 10000 pages/lines). = =A0For instance,
=A0 =A0 123.4--56 is mapped to =A0abcdaaaeaafg
MKII does not seem to sort digit-based keys reliably; MKIV does, and y= ou can just pad out the digits with zeros. =A0The complete sort key that wo= rked was the catenation of the author, text, and locus key, which is simila= r to what you have.

MKII:
\defineregister[Passage][Passages]=A0
...
% interface to register -- \locuskey indirectly returns a key in \next= key
\def\MyPassage#1#2#3{\locuskey{#3}\expandoneargafter\doMyPassage{\next= key}{#1}{#2}{#3}}
\def\doMyPassage#1#2#3#4{\Passage[#2#3#1]{{#2}+{#3}+{#4}}}
% Def. of \locuskey#1
% =A0 =A0In: #1<-p1[.l2[--l3]] Out: key stored in \nextkey
... (see attached file, if interested)

MKIV:
% interface to register -- expansion in MKIV must be different, becaus= e a direct approach works:
\def\MyPassage#1#2#3{\Passage[#1#2\locuskey{#3}]{#1+#2+#3}}
% Def. of \locuskey
\startluacode
userdata =3D userdata or { }
function userdata.locuskey(x)
=A0 =A0 context(string.gsub(x,"(%d+)",function (s) return st= ring.format("%04d",tonumber(s)) end))
end
\stopluacode
\def\locuskey#1{\ctxlua{userdata.locuskey("#1")}}

The Mark IV/Luatex one was much nicer, less frustrating to figure out.=


On May 24, 2012, at 7:06 AM, Alan Bowen wrote:

For anyone interested in producing classical indi= ces locorum, I have devised a way that seems to work, although it is not th= at elegant.

The first step is to modify the sort keys by counting the number of di= gits in the page number:=A0
thus,
[AuthorText01] for pages 1=969,=A0
[AuthorText02] for pages 10=9699, and so on

The next is to insert the command =93 \ab=94 (note the space) when the= line number is a single digit:=A0
thus=A0
391. \ab{}2 but 391.12 in the entry specification {Author+Text+page.li= ne}

For \ab, I have:

\newdimen\digitwidth
\setbox0=3D\hbox{\tfx\char32}
\digitwidth=3D\wd0

\def\ab{\tfx\kern-\digitwidth}

The hitch here is that the font size is not context dependent.

Alan

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Alan Bowen <bowenalan03@gmail.co= m> wrote:
I have been trying to index the passages cited in a book and would be grate= ful for some tactical advice.

There are several works by a single author, and it is customary to cit= e each text by page and line number, as in 1253.12 (page 1253, line12), for= example.

I have a sort key for each work. But now I need a way to get the entry=

1253.7 (page 1253, line 7) before the entry
1253.12 (page 1253, line 12).

\[Passage[AuthorText]{Author+Text+1253.07}1253.7 or
\[Passage[AuthorText]{Author+Text+1253.07}1253. 7=A0
would work, but it is really better to have the index entry as =931253= .7=94 rather than as =931253.07=94 or =931253. 7=94

I have experimented with different sort keys=97e.g., AuthorText125307= =97and can generate an index with the 1235.7 and so on in the proper place = and form, say, before 1253.12.

But then the problem is that I also get entire sequences of entries ou= t of order (485.19, 485.21 before 477.31, and so on). Very puzzling. (Resto= ring the sort key AuthorText removes the latter problems but then leaves 12= 53.7 in the wrong place.)

If anyone has experience with this or just some ideas for a solution, = their suggestions will be most welcome.

I am using the MKII in the latest ConTeXt standalone.

Alan



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