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I was not aware of the need for \setupmathematics. A great tip! Best, Alan On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist wrote: > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Alan Bowen wrote= : > > Thanks, Mikael. That works nicely. Note: I changed > > > > \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] > > [preset=3Dmath:lowercasegreeknormal] > > > > to > > > > \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] > > [preset=3Dmath:uppercasegreeknormal], since Knuth/TeX sets Greek capita= l > > letters upright. > > > > Alan > > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist > > wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Alan Bowen > wrote: > >> > Assuming that it is possible, I have been trying to substitute the > Greek > >> > letters of my main font for those used in the math font. (if it work= s, > >> > it > >> > should look better on the page than what I have now.) > >> > > >> > So, what have I missed/messed up in the following? > >> > > >> > \definefontfamily[mainface][serif][Brill][ > >> > [protrusion=3Dquality, > >> > expansion=3Dquality, > >> > mode=3Dnode, > >> > force=3Dyes, > >> > ] > >> > > >> > \definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][TeX Gyre > >> > Pagella][preset=3Dmath:digitsnormal,features=3Df:oldstyle] > >> > > >> > \definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][Brill][range=3D0391-03A9,03B1-03= C9] > >> > > >> > \definefontfamily[mainface][mm][TeXGyre Termes Math] > >> > > >> > \setupbodyfont[mainface,36pt] > >> > > >> > \starttext > >> > > >> > \emph{=CE=BB =CE=B1 =CE=BC =CE=B2 =CE=B4 =CE=B1} > >> > > >> > \m{=CE=BB=CE=B1=CE=BC=CE=B2=CE=B4=CE=B1} > >> > > >> > 0123456780 > >> > > >> > \m{0123456780} > >> > > >> > > >> > \stoptext > >> > > >> > Alan > >> > > >> > > >> > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > >> > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an ent= ry > >> > to > >> > the Wiki! > >> > > >> > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > >> > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > >> > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > >> > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > >> > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > >> > > >> > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > >> > >> What if you change > >> > >> \definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][Brill][range=3D0391-03A9,03B1-03C9= ] > >> > >> to > >> > >> \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] > >> [preset=3Dmath:lowercasegreeknormal] > >> \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] > >> [preset=3Dmath:lowercasegreekitalic] > >> > >> That seems to work here with your example. By the way, I have not seen > >> the Brill font before. It was very nice! > >> > >> /Mikael > >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > >> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry > to > >> the Wiki! > >> > >> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > >> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > >> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > >> archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > >> wiki : http://contextgarden.net > >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry = to > > the Wiki! > > > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > > > Hi! > > I think there might be a small piece of misunderstanding (either on > your side or on mine). Try the document > > \definefontfamily[mainface][serif][Brill][ > [protrusion=3Dquality, > expansion=3Dquality, > mode=3Dnode, > force=3Dyes, > ] > > > \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] > [preset=3Dmath:lowercasegreeknormal] > \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] > [preset=3Dmath:lowercasegreekitalic] > \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] > [preset=3Dmath:uppercasegreeknormal] > \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] > [preset=3Dmath:uppercasegreekitalic] > > > > \definefontfamily[mainface][mm][TeX Gyre Termes Math] > > \setupbodyfont[mainface,10pt] > > \setuppagenumbering[state=3Dstop] > > \starttext > =CE=B1=CE=B2=CE=93=CE=94{\em =CE=B1=CE=B2=CE=93=CE=94}$\alpha\beta\Gamma\= Delta$ (default, upper case greek is > upright) > > \setupmathematics[ > ucgreek=3Ditalic, > ] > > > =CE=B1=CE=B2=CE=93=CE=94{\em =CE=B1=CE=B2=CE=93=CE=94}$\alpha\beta\Gamma\= Delta$ (now uppercase greek is in italic) > > \setupmathematics[ > ucgreek=3Dnormal, > lcgreek=3Dnormal, > ] > > =CE=B1=CE=B2=CE=93=CE=94{\em =CE=B1=CE=B2=CE=93=CE=94}$\alpha\beta\Gamma\= Delta$ (now both uppercase and > lowercase greek are in upright) > > \stoptext > > The definefallbackfamily commands do not set what kind of greek > letters we get, but only from what font the corresponding range comes > from. This is at elast how I understand it. > > Best > > Mikael > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > --94eb2c06b69c20c12d052db52ad8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Mikael, the minunderstanding was mine. I was not a= ware of the need for \setupmathematics. A great tip!

Best, A= lan



On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist <mi= ckep@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Alan B= owen <bowenalan03@gmail.com= > wrote:
> Thanks, Mikael. That works nicely. Note: I changed
>
> \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill]
> [preset=3Dmath:lowercasegreeknormal]
>
> to
>
> \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill]
> [preset=3Dmath:uppercasegreeknormal], since Knuth/TeX sets Greek capit= al
> letters upright.
>
> Alan
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Mikael P. Sundqvist <mickep@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Alan Bowen <bowenalan03@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Assuming that it is possible, I have been trying to substitut= e the Greek
>> > letters of my main font for those used in the math font. (if = it works,
>> > it
>> > should look better on the page than what I have now.)
>> >
>> > So, what have I missed/messed up in the following?
>> >
>> > \definefontfamily[mainface][serif][Brill][
>> > [protrusion=3Dquality,
>> > expansion=3Dquality,
>> > mode=3Dnode,
>> > force=3Dyes,
>> > ]
>> >
>> > \definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][TeX Gyre
>> > Pagella][preset=3Dmath:digitsnormal,features=3Df:oldstyle] >> >
>> > \definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][Brill][range=3D0391-03A9,= 03B1-03C9]
>> >
>> > \definefontfamily[mainface][mm][TeXGyre Termes Math]
>> >
>> > \setupbodyfont[mainface,36pt]
>> >
>> > \starttext
>> >
>> > \emph{=CE=BB =CE=B1 =CE=BC =CE=B2 =CE=B4 =CE=B1}
>> >
>> > \m{=CE=BB=CE=B1=CE=BC=CE=B2=CE=B4=CE=B1}
>> >
>> > 0123456780
>> >
>> > \m{0123456780}
>> >
>> >
>> > \stoptext
>> >
>> > Alan
>> >
>> >
>> > _____________________________________________________________= ______________________
>> > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add= an entry
>> > to
>> > the Wiki!
>> >
>> > maillist : ntg-context@= ntg.nl /
>> > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-c= ontext
>> > webpage=C2=A0 : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.n= et
>> > archive=C2=A0 : http://foundry.supelec.f= r/projects/contextrev/
>> > wiki=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: http://contextgarden.net
>> >
>> > _____________________________________________________________= ______________________
>>
>> What if you change
>>
>> \definefallbackfamily[mainface][mm][Brill][range=3D0391-03A9,03B1-= 03C9]
>>
>> to
>>
>> \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill]
>> [preset=3Dmath:lowercasegreeknormal]
>> \definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill]
>> [preset=3Dmath:lowercasegreekitalic]
>>
>> That seems to work here with your example. By the way, I have not = seen
>> the Brill font before. It was very nice!
>>
>> /Mikael
>>
>> __________________________________________________________________= _________________
>> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an e= ntry to
>> the Wiki!
>>
>> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.n= l /
>> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-contex= t
>> webpage=C2=A0 : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
>> archive=C2=A0 : http://foundry.supelec.fr/pro= jects/contextrev/
>> wiki=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: http://contextgarden.net
>>
>> __________________________________________________________________= _________________
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________= _____________
> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry= to
> the Wiki!
>
> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl /
> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
> webpage=C2=A0 : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive=C2=A0 : http://foundry.supelec.fr/project= s/contextrev/
> wiki=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: http://contextgarden.net
> ______________________________________________________________________= _____________


Hi!

I think there might be a small piece of misunderstanding (either on
your side or on mine). Try the document

\definefontfamily[mainface][serif][Brill][
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 [protrusion=3Dquality,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 expansion=3Dquality,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 mode=3Dnode,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 force=3Dyes,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 ]


\definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [pres= et=3Dmath:lowercasegreeknormal]
\definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=3Dmath:lowercasegreek= italic]
\definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [pres= et=3Dmath:uppercasegreeknormal]
\definefallbackfamily [mainface] [mm] [Brill] [preset=3Dmath:upperca= segreekitalic]



\definefontfamily[mainface][mm][TeX Gyre Termes Math]

\setupbodyfont[mainface,10pt]

\setuppagenumbering[state=3Dstop]

\starttext
=CE=B1=CE=B2=CE=93=CE=94{\em =CE=B1=CE=B2=CE=93=CE=94}$\alpha\beta\Gamma\De= lta$ (default, upper case greek is upright)

\setupmathematics[
ucgreek=3Ditalic,
]


=CE=B1=CE=B2=CE=93=CE=94{\em =CE=B1=CE=B2=CE=93=CE=94}$\alpha\beta\Gamma\De= lta$ (now uppercase greek is in italic)

\setupmathematics[
ucgreek=3Dnormal,
lcgreek=3Dnormal,
]

=CE=B1=CE=B2=CE=93=CE=94{\em =CE=B1=CE=B2=CE=93=CE=94}$\alpha\beta\Gamma\De= lta$ (now both uppercase and
lowercase greek are in upright)

\stoptext

The definefallbackfamily commands do not set what kind of greek
letters we get, but only from what font the corresponding range comes
from. This is at elast how I understand it.

Best

Mikael
_____________________= ______________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to t= he Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / <= a href=3D"http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context" rel=3D"noreferrer= " target=3D"_blank">http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage=C2=A0 : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive=C2=A0 : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/con= textrev/
wiki=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________= ________

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