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Indexing both terms (p and q) separately and the adding x-ref is one way to go but indexing the more commonly used term and adding a mere x-ref for the other is more efficient. Alan On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 4:08 PM Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > Am 2018-06-24 um 21:57 schrieb Hans Hagen : > > > On 6/23/2018 5:10 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: > >> The latest beta (ConTeXtver: 2018.06.23 12:12 MKIV betafmt: 2018.6.23) > processes without a hitch but \seeindex is still not working as expected. > >> In > >> \starttext > >> \index{sample} > >> \index{fun+games}\index{fun+stuff} > >> %\index{fun} > >> \seeindex{fun}{sample}% now with heading (as it should be) > >> \seeindex{fun}{blah}% not shown > >> \seeindex{fun}{humbug}% not shown > >> \seeindex{fun}{bug}% not shown > >> \seeindex{fun+games}{entertainment}% not shown > >> \placeindex[n=3D1] > >> \stoptext > >> When I generate the indices for my book, \seeindex{A}{B} works only if > it is a unique x-ref and A is a heading. Multiple x-refs to the same > heading fail as do x-refs to subheadings. > > sure, > > > > \seeindex{fun}{blah} % not shown > > \seeindex{fun}{humbug} % not shown > > \seeindex{fun}{bug} % not shown > > > > as there is no index entry blah, humbug or bug ... so you would be > fooling your reader > > I understand the rationale, and it could be a nice feature, but we need t= o > refer to entries in a different register, e.g. from an index of topics to > an index of persons, e.g. \seeindex{Pragma}{Hagen, Hans} or to subentries > like \seeindex{fun+games}{bah+humbug}. Since the latter doesn=E2=80=99t w= ork (or > does it now?), we use \seeindex{fun+games}{bah/humbug}. > > > Greetlings, Hraban > --- > https://www.fiee.net > http://wiki.contextgarden.net > https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de > GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD > > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ --000000000000b95157056f75962d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I should add too that in this particular volume our contri= butors sometimes mention different terms for the same thing as in =E2=80=9C= This is called p or q=E2=80=9D. Indexing both terms (p and q) separately an= d the adding =C2=A0x-ref is one way to go but indexing the more commonly us= ed term and adding a mere x-ref for the other is more efficient.

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On Sun= , Jun 24, 2018 at 4:08 PM Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net> wrote:
Am 2018-06-24 um 21:57 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>:

> On 6/23/2018 5:10 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:
>> The latest beta (ConTeXtver: 2018.06.23 12:12 MKIV betafmt: 2018.6= .23) processes without a hitch but \seeindex is still not working as expect= ed.
>> In
>> \starttext
>> \index{sample}
>> \index{fun+games}\index{fun+stuff}
>> %\index{fun}
>> \seeindex{fun}{sample}% now with heading (as it should be)
>> \seeindex{fun}{blah}% not shown
>> \seeindex{fun}{humbug}% not shown
>> \seeindex{fun}{bug}% not shown
>> \seeindex{fun+games}{entertainment}% not shown
>> \placeindex[n=3D1]
>> \stoptext
>> When I generate the indices for my book, \seeindex{A}{B} works onl= y if it is a unique x-ref and A is a heading. Multiple x-refs to the same h= eading fail as do x-refs to subheadings.
> sure,
>
> \seeindex{fun}{blah}=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 % not shown
> \seeindex{fun}{humbug}=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= % not shown
> \seeindex{fun}{bug}=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0% not shown
>
> as there is no index entry blah, humbug or bug ... so you would be foo= ling your reader

I understand the rationale, and it could be a nice feature, but we need to = refer to entries in a different register, e.g. from an index of topics to a= n index of persons, e.g. \seeindex{Pragma}{Hagen, Hans} or to subentries li= ke \seeindex{fun+games}{bah+humbug}. Since the latter doesn=E2=80=99t work = (or does it now?), we use \seeindex{fun+games}{bah/humbug}.


Greetlings, Hraban
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