From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/70023 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Cecil Westerhof Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Edit a ConTeXt generated document with Adobe Acrobat Professional Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:17:21 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4E1EFF0C.50401@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1221470168==" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1310717871 7966 80.91.229.12 (15 Jul 2011 08:17:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:17:51 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Jul 15 10:17:44 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qhdai-00028b-Jy for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:17:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A86CAC8D; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:17:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id d3HFI618n9vb; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:17:37 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E712CAE3C; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:17:37 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AEA7CAE3C for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:17:35 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id YRXULtXFp6CA for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter4-ams.mf.surf.net (filter4-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.72]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C782CAC8D for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com (mail-ey0-f169.google.com [209.85.215.169]) by filter4-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id p6F8HMFF030596 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 10:17:22 +0200 Original-Received: by eyd9 with SMTP id 9so892312eyd.14 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 01:17:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=DhVIffHzC5UQpp/zhuOD/OEwdq+ZwjetWGfMLAL3JXw=; b=MLNM6O4TRg0OOQiyf4Z/dbc8HQcDVu6HRc4Fu76ZryDYEY9P5nD7SoCNdheLqVdX7s KQPJlzNMURoncid+xkaJ92jkLeQaABWGKFxjbawlPjYfNXup3dbxV9ojGy6ZDIxO2/hq XxbCkxFli407H7JSnKmIFT2I2JeC/XUDE2Nus= Original-Received: by 10.14.98.71 with SMTP id u47mr1135321eef.247.1310717842051; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 01:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.14.22.75 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 01:17:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=209.85.215.169; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 03F88hmFW - bd9234175243 - 20110715 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.72 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:70023 Archived-At: --===============1221470168== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec521550360527e04a81747fd --bcaec521550360527e04a81747fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2011/7/15 John Haltiwanger > Cecil, I don't think its fair to constrain yourself from ever using Conte= xt > again. That was not what I mend. When making my own stuff where I do not have the need off interoperability I will keep using it. But in other case I should evaluate the situation correctly. Between a rock an a hard place is not a nice position. ;-} > What does 'competely independent' mean? > Properly that anybody that knows how to write a document in Microsoft Offic= e can change the document. So standard software, with a low learning curve. I had some problems getting them to accept to use Adobe. And now that turns out to be not a real option. Learning all the time as Benny Hill said. > If you have been asked to hand over layout decisions, the best is to > reproduce your document in XHTML, copy it into a word processor, and let > them proceed with their own desing in their proprietary WYSIWYG software. > No the problem is not the layout. They are satisfied with that. They just d= o not want to be dependent on our company. > Even if they just want to make textual changes, this is probably still be > your best bet. You can then relatively easily convert them back to Contex= t > (a matter of re-mapping text into Context). > That sounds like a good plan. Converting back is properly not necessary. Bu= t it would not hurt if it is possible. > There is a plan I have to produce an easier-for-point-and-clickers > interface to collaborate on high quality Context based layouts, but the t= ime > hasn't appeared to materialize it yet. > Sounds good. If I could be of help =85 > If you search through the archives for 'pandoc' you will see that many of > us have chosen to abstract ourselves from direct dependence on Context fo= r > our document 'coding'. There is a tangible flexibility provided by writin= g > in a visually semantic preformat like Markdown. It helps during the editi= ng > stages because it is easy to generate other formats that people are more > familiar with (OpenOffice can be converted to Word---then it is a matter = of > 'backporting' changes to the Context source). > I'll do that. > If they weren't clear about planning to take on this design > responsibility--which they should have long before the deadline--than I f= eel > it is the fault of the editors and not the fault of Context. Under such > conditions I would have written text for these people in something they > understand, like an word processor document (LibreOffice can save as MS W= ord > easily enough). > That is what I mend that in hindsight I should not have used ConTeXt. ;-} > Sorry to hear you are having trouble with this. I know what it is like to > face the edge of a deadline. > I'll survive, I always did. :-D I have to thank this list for the help and support. --=20 Cecil Westerhof --bcaec521550360527e04a81747fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2011/7/15 John Haltiwanger <= ;john.haltiwanger@gmail.com>
Cecil, I don't think its fair to constrain yourself from ever using Con= text again.

That was not what I mend. When making my o= wn stuff where I do not have the need off interoperability I will keep usin= g it. But in other case I should evaluate the situation correctly. Between = a rock an a hard place is not a nice position. ;-}

=A0
= What does 'competely independent' mean?

P= roperly that anybody that knows how to write a document in Microsoft Office= can change the document. So standard software, with a low learning curve. = I had some problems getting them to accept to use Adobe. And now that turns= out to be not a real option. Learning all the time as Benny Hill said.

=A0
=
If you have been asked to hand over layout decisions, the best is to reprod= uce your document in XHTML, copy it into a word processor, and let them pro= ceed with their own desing in their proprietary WYSIWYG software.

No the problem is not the layout. They are sati= sfied with that. They just do not want to be dependent on our company.
<= br>=A0
Even if they just want to make textual chan= ges, this is probably still be your best bet. You can then relatively easil= y convert them back to Context (a matter of re-mapping text into Context).<= /div>

That sounds like a good plan. Converting back i= s properly not necessary. But it would not hurt if it is possible.

= =A0
There is a plan I have to produce an easie= r-for-point-and-clickers interface to collaborate on high quality Context b= ased layouts, but the time hasn't appeared to materialize it yet.=A0

Sounds good. If I could be of help =85

= =A0
If you search through the archives for 'pandoc' you will see t= hat many of us have chosen to abstract ourselves from direct dependence on = Context for our document 'coding'. There is a tangible flexibility = provided by writing in a visually semantic preformat like Markdown. It help= s during the editing stages because it is easy to generate other formats th= at people are more familiar with (OpenOffice can be converted to Word---the= n it is a matter of 'backporting' changes to the Context source).

I'll do that.

=A0
If they weren't clear about planning to take on this design respon= sibility--which they should have long before the deadline--than I feel it i= s the fault of the editors and not the fault of Context. Under such conditi= ons I would have written text for these people in something they understand= , like an word processor document (LibreOffice can save as MS Word easily e= nough).

That is what I mend that in hindsight I should = not have used ConTeXt. ;-}

=A0
Sorry to hear you are having trouble with this. I know what it is like= to face the edge of a deadline.

I'll = survive, I always did. :-D

I have to thank this list for the help an= d support.

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Cecil Westerhof
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